Just rewatched Condit vs MacDonald...

Ameriman · January 19

And, I submit that Condit would have won a decision.

That first round was extremely close. The standup was even until Condit rocked Rory, and MacDonald's takedowns were useless. The four takedowns were impressive, but Condit was in complete control on the ground and constantly landed strikes from the bottom. Undoubtedly, the most impressive move of the round was that right hand that rocked Rory.

And I think there's little doubt in anyone's mind that a competent judge would have scored round 3 a 10-8. That was as one sided and decisive as they come.

Anyway, discuss.

(I know it's been discussed before, but I thought maybe it would be interesting to start it again in light of the rematch)

PATSTER · January 19

Rory 29-28

You can't win fights butt scooting

MilesGunn · January 19

Well no **** sherlock.

TUF1 · January 19

still my favorite fight

Rory would have taken an easy 29-28 decision imo. I guess u could argue for a 10-8 in the 3rd but Rory got robbed. (coming from a Condit fan)

Keem · January 19

No one give Condit credit for getting takedowns off of the kimura attempts either. Rory had a trip on Condit, but its got nothing on a submission attempt turned into a TD. Plus Condit used a leg lock attempt to get Rory's back almost like he was setting up a twister, but instead just utilized it to get up from bottom and transitions like this just go w/o notice to just about everyone who watches that fight.. smh.

Ameriman · January 19

MilesGunn said:
Well no **** sherlock.

Lol I just find it humorous that you would respond that way as if what I said is patently obvious to everyone immediately after Paster rushes in to disagree with me. Obviously not everyone agrees, and that's why I started this discussion.

Ameriman · January 19

PATSTER said:
Rory 29-28

You can't win fights butt scooting

I sincerely think you're remembering a different fight. Butt scooting?

Junglebird · January 19

Condit was doing all the damage. Rory landed maybe 2 good shots all fight.

people wanna compare Condit vs rory's first two rounds like it was GSP vs. Condit or something.
Rory wasnt doing anything but maybe winning on points.

3rd rounds happens and its an epic beatdown.
Whats the problem here?

This coming from a huge rory fan btw.

horrorfan663 · January 19

While I was watching the fight on ppv I basically figured that the idiotic judges would give the fight to Rory based on the takedowns, because lets face it. Unless your Bas Rutten you're not gonna win a decision off your back. So going into the third i was pretty upset. All my buddies were going for the new kid (rory) and I was just sitting there waiting for a miracle and then Condit rocked him and finished him. It was great, really.

i think I remember Joe Rogan saying that if it had gone to decision the scorecards read it a split decision for Rory, I can't remember where exactly I heard him say it, I think it was on another card when they referenced the fight, but I cant cite it so you don't have to believe me.

Had Condit lost that fight that would've made it 3 split decisions in a row. Condit had the MMA gods on his side that night.

That being said Rory didnt get robbed. He quit fighting back, he faced adversity and he hung in as long as he could, the rematch should be good, but My boy Condit is stopping him again.

TUF1 · January 19

probably the biggest condit defender on here but if anybody thinks Condit would have won that fight without the finish they need to rewatch it. Even Jackson knew he was behind going into the 3rd and this is the guy that told Marquardt he was beating Okami.

Junglebird · January 19

TUF1 said:
probably the biggest condit defender on here but if anybody thinks Condit would have won that fight without the finish they need to rewatch it. Even Jackson knew he was behind going into the 3rd and this is the guy that told Marquardt he was beating Okami.

im probably the biggest Rory fan ever, but the fact is he got smashed in the 3rd.

He even said "he was hurting me from the beginning"

"it was a good stoppage"
"i was getting my butt kicked"

^
From a huge rory defender btw

PATSTER · January 19

Junglebird said:

TUF1 said:
probably the biggest condit defender on here but if anybody thinks Condit would have won that fight without the finish they need to rewatch it. Even Jackson knew he was behind going into the 3rd and this is the guy that told Marquardt he was beating Okami.
im probably the biggest Rory fan ever, but the fact is he got smashed in the 3rd.

He even said "he was hurting me from the beginning"

"it was a good stoppage"
"i was getting my butt kicked"

^
From a huge rory defender btw

Lol!

TUF1 · January 19

idk man doesn't really matter what he says. Matters what the judges saw and Rory had enough control and takedowns to take 1 and 2 pretty easily imo. And for what it's worth Rory has reneged his post fight comments since.

Junglebird · January 19

TUF1 said:
idk man doesn't really matter what he says. Matters what the judges saw and Rory had enough control and takedowns to take 1 and 2 pretty easily imo. And for what it's worth Rory has reneged his post fight comments since.

right, because judging has always been the shining example of truth.

And it dosnt matter what the judges saw because Rory was finished. He got smashed in the 3rd.

huge rory fan btw

Ameriman · January 19

TUF1 said:
idk man doesn't really matter what he says. Matters what the judges saw and Rory had enough control and takedowns to take 1 and 2 pretty easily imo. And for what it's worth Rory has reneged his post fight comments since.

He conceded defeat after having been defeated. Personally, the fact that he conceded defeat tells me that he was done.

Of course, memory fails us all, and I'm sure it's hard for MacDonald to recall just how beaten he was at the end of that fight. I'm sure he's watched it a thousand times in an attempt to convince himself that he could have won that fight that night.

TUF1 · January 19

Junglebird said:

TUF1 said:
idk man doesn't really matter what he says. Matters what the judges saw and Rory had enough control and takedowns to take 1 and 2 pretty easily imo. And for what it's worth Rory has reneged his post fight comments since.
right, because judging has always been the shining example of truth.

And it dosnt matter what the judges saw because Rory was finished. He got smashed in the 3rd.

huge rory fan btw

hey are you a rory fan?

and i don't even know what the judges scorecards were before the stoppage so i don't know why your getting so butthurt about judging competency. That wasn't my argument. Was saying Rory doesn't score the fights, the judges do.

Ameriman · January 19

TUF1 said:
probably the biggest condit defender on here but if anybody thinks Condit would have won that fight without the finish they need to rewatch it. Even Jackson knew he was behind going into the 3rd and this is the guy that told Marquardt he was beating Okami.

Everyone knew that Rory would have won a decision based on the most common interpretation of the rules by boxing-turned-MMA Judges. I probably worded the topic poorly. The fact of the matter is that takedowns count for far more than they're worth these days. Rory took Condit down with knees that Condit practically placed in his hands and he went on to do absolutely nothing with those takedowns.

Junglebird · January 19

TUF1 said:

Junglebird said:

TUF1 said:
idk man doesn't really matter what he says. Matters what the judges saw and Rory had enough control and takedowns to take 1 and 2 pretty easily imo. And for what it's worth Rory has reneged his post fight comments since.
right, because judging has always been the shining example of truth.

And it dosnt matter what the judges saw because Rory was finished. He got smashed in the 3rd.

huge rory fan btw
hey are you a rory fan?

yes. but he got wrecked.

The best possible outcome for Rory that night was a SD win after getting his face smashed into goonies land.

TUF1 · January 19

Ameriman said:

TUF1 said:
probably the biggest condit defender on here but if anybody thinks Condit would have won that fight without the finish they need to rewatch it. Even Jackson knew he was behind going into the 3rd and this is the guy that told Marquardt he was beating Okami.
Everyone knew that Rory would have won a decision based on the most common interpretation of the rules by boxing-turned-MMA Judges. I probably worded the topic poorly. The fact of the matter is that takedowns count for far more than they're worth these days. Rory took Condit down with knees that Condit practically placed in his hands and went on to do absolutely nothing with those takedowns.

not going to argue what judging criteria should be with you because i agree but the fact of the matter is, it's the same criteria for every fight, or atleast it's suppose to be so it doesn't matter what we think. Rory was winning the first 2 rounds with the takedowns and control.

prodigy9 · January 19

Ameriman said:

And, I submit that Condit would have won a decision.

That first round was extremely close. The standup was even until Condit rocked Rory, and MacDonald's takedowns were useless. The four takedowns were impressive, but Condit was in complete control on the ground and constantly landed strikes from the bottom. Undoubtedly, the most impressive move of the round was that right hand that rocked Rory.

And I think there's little doubt in anyone's mind that a competent judge would have scored round 3 a 10-8. That was as one sided and decisive as they come.

Anyway, discuss.

(I know it's been discussed before, but I thought maybe it would be interesting to start it again in light of the rematch)

There is absolutely no way that Condit took the first round. As a fan of neither it was clear that the round was dictated by Rory.

Round 3 was a big big round for Condit, possible a 10-8 but IMO just about a 10-9.

Rory 29-28 Condit.

Ameriman · January 19

prodigy9 said:

Ameriman said:

And, I submit that Condit would have won a decision.

That first round was extremely close. The standup was even until Condit rocked Rory, and MacDonald's takedowns were useless. The four takedowns were impressive, but Condit was in complete control on the ground and constantly landed strikes from the bottom. Undoubtedly, the most impressive move of the round was that right hand that rocked Rory.

And I think there's little doubt in anyone's mind that a competent judge would have scored round 3 a 10-8. That was as one sided and decisive as they come.

Anyway, discuss.

(I know it's been discussed before, but I thought maybe it would be interesting to start it again in light of the rematch)
There is absolutely no way that Condit took the first round. As a fan of neither it was clear that the round was dictated by Rory.

Round 3 was a big big round for Condit, possible a 10-8 but IMO just about a 10-9.

Rory 29-28 Condit.

Why do you say that? I outlined exactly why I felt the way I do. Make YOUR case.

prodigy9 · January 19

I did, he dictated the round, the round took place where Rory wanted it to. After the round the commentators aren't claiming it as a close round or a good round for Condit.

& the 3rd round wasn't a big enough beat down... A good round but not a 10-8. Not that much more 1 sided than the 2nd.

EightLimbAssassin · January 19

The only messed up thing that night was that they didnt stop it earlier. Rory quit after his failed TD in the third. If that fight was 5 rds an ambulence would have been needed.

Coming from Rory's #1 fan and fourth cousin btw.

carnages41 · January 19

Buttscooting does not win fights

Rory easily won that fight

MilesGunn · January 19

EightLimbAssassin said:
The only messed up thing that night was that they didnt stop it earlier. Rory quit after his failed TD in the third. If that fight was 5 rds an ambulence would have been needed.

Coming from Rory's #1 fan and fourth cousin btw.

haha

carnages41 · January 19

I am Rory's 3rd cousin, that makes me a bigger fan than you, right?

Dark_Horse · January 19

PATSTER said:

You can't win fights butt scooting

Unless you are a dog fighting an **** worm.

Dark_Horse · January 19

Snap. Can't say ar se anymore. :-(

carnages41 · January 19

Dark_Horse said:

PATSTER said:

You can't win fights butt scooting
Unless you are a dog fighting an **** worm.

lol a hehe worm

WalkLikeAWarrior707 · January 19

Did anyone else hear Rory say he would be at "cannabis lounge" during the post fight interview?

Ameriman · January 20

prodigy9 said:
I did, he dictated the round, the round took place where Rory wanted it to. After the round the commentators aren't claiming it as a close round or a good round for Condit.

& the 3rd round wasn't a big enough beat down... A good round but not a 10-8. Not that much more 1 sided than the 2nd.

Are you kidding? The 3rd round wasn't more 1 sided than the second? I don't know how to respond to that.

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