Phil Davis: "Wrestling is a much stronger art form than Brazilian jiu-jitsu."

Trollsmasher · January 22

You can't disagree with him. If you look at all the top guys they all have a strong wrestling background.

Their hasn't been many UFC champions that r pure BJJ guys since the very early day's of MMA, but now everyone knows how to defend the submissions so they aren't as effective.

Their is a reason why everyone says the best background to have coming into MMA is wrestling.

Source: http://fiveknuckles.com/mma-news/Phil-Davis-Wrestling-is-a-much-stronger-art-form-than-Brazilian-jiu-jitsu.html

Ozpride · January 22

First of all, I'd appreciate if you would man up and admit you're a pleb who works for the rubbish site 5N.

Second of all, screw wrestling. It's stronger, agreed, but there is no 'art form' to it in any way possible and mr wankerful is a complete turd for claiming it

BruteDion · January 22

That's stupid...u say there has not been many pure bjj champs?...there has been not many pure wrestler either

All the wrestler who were champs also trained bjj....Brock lesnar is the best example of Davis flawed logic

Brock lost to Mir cuz he didn't know the basics of how to defend a heel hook and its set up....but once he started to bjj and its defence of it he was able to rape the mir who has almost no wrestling....lesnar was only able to beat mir cuz he knew how to not put himself in a bad spot again

BruteDion · January 22

I have said it be4....pure bjj with no knowledge of wrestling > pure wrestling with no knowledge of bjj....the early ufc proved this

It's just in this modern day the wrestler have taken to learning bjj to help defeat it...the top bjj schools to this day do not wanna learn even the basics of wrestling and its thier down fall

**** they didn't even liked heel hooks and banned them until rickson had to use one to win a torney and onky then did they accept it

Bjj is the slowest growing in modern mma today and its hurting them

Syklone · January 22

He's right, wrestling is a fantastic way of controlling your opponent so you don't have to fight.

ijosef · January 22

I think the various styles are slowly melding together, so someone training in true mixed martial arts will learn "grappling," which will be a variety of techniques from wrestling, BJJ, Judo, Sambo, catch & folkstyle wrestling, etc.

I think the last pure wrestling versus pure BJJ we saw was Royce Gracie versus Dan Severn. Severn was able to control Gracie for 15 minutes until Royce finally sunk in a triangle choke and tapped him out. If it had been the modern three five minute round format, Severn would've won an extremely boring lay and pray decision. If he'd had some basic BJJ defense, he could've won that fight.

Echoing what's been said above, a highly skilled wrestler with a good grasp on basic submission defense can be a huge obstacle for someone who is still stuck on pure BJJ.

Trollsmasher · January 22

ijosef said:
I think the various styles are slowly melding together, so someone training in true mixed martial arts will learn "grappling," which will be a variety of techniques from wrestling, BJJ, Judo, Sambo, catch & folkstyle wrestling, etc.

I think the last pure wrestling versus pure BJJ we saw was Royce Gracie versus Dan Severn. Severn was able to control Gracie for 15 minutes until Royce finally sunk in a triangle choke and tapped him out. If it had been the modern three five minute round format, Severn would've won an extremely boring lay and pray decision. If he'd had some basic BJJ defense, he could've won that fight.

Echoing what's been said above, a highly skilled wrestler with a good grasp on basic submission defense can be a huge obstacle for someone who is still stuck on pure BJJ.

very well said. I agree 100%

BruteDion · January 22

It's a shame really...BJJ as a whole would get more cred if its top schools would bring in some wrestling to the level of strong wrestling gyms (or its fighters) are willing to bring bjj in

There is a good list of strong wrestlers who are a threat to sub guys...but how many top bjj guys are known to have sick takedowns?....only like Jacare or Palhares have decent TD

JimmyYO · January 22

Phil Davis wasn't feeling very artistic with Rashad I guess.

classicboxer · January 22

The number 1 fighter in the world today has weak wrestling.

PATSTER · January 22

classicboxer said:
The number 1 fighter in the world today has weak wrestling.

LMAO

Mighty Mouse has an epic wrestling skill. Dafuq you talking about?

EightLimbAssassin · January 22

He chose his words carefully. Notice how he said something like "art form" and not martial art. Its because wrestling is not a a martial art aka actually fighting.

TUF1 · January 22

JimmyYO said:
Phil Davis wasn't feeling very artistic with Rashad I guess.

classicboxer said:
The number 1 fighter in the world today has weak wrestling.

these

creep_bb · January 22

No it's not.Wrestling can only work if the guy using it IS trained in BJJ so as to avoid submissions. If not, he'd get tapped. Just out of the top of my head... look at Sonnen and look at GSP/Fitch/Weidman/Barnett

cromwell · January 22

the whole point of being a mixed martial artist is exactly that, you have to be trained in all aspects. you can't just go in with pure bjj, you cant go in with just wrestling, you can't go in with just striking, you would be a fool not to have every weapon available to you. davis can't tell me he has never trained bjj.

Syklone · January 22

whoever is stalling (guy on bottom holding top guy in place desparately to avoid fighting from his back or guy on top holding guy on bottom in position to prevent having to fight) should be deducted a point whenever there is a standup.

TUF1 · January 22

the_enigma said:
whoever is stalling (guy on bottom holding top guy in place desparately to avoid fighting from his back or guy on top holding guy on bottom in position to prevent having to fight) should be deducted a point whenever there is a standup.

little harsh

i always liked the Pride system of cutting purses

V3dj · January 22

Its MMA no one with one skill set only lasts long everyone trains all aspects of mma these days some are better at wrestling some better at bjj or striking but without the basics at least of all elements then you wont last long nowadays as there are no secrets anymore...

BruteDion · January 22

cromwell said:
the whole point of being a mixed martial artist is exactly that, you have to be trained in all aspects. you can't just go in with pure bjj, you cant go in with just wrestling, you can't go in with just striking, you would be a fool not to have every weapon available to you. davis can't tell me he has never trained bjj.

Your right....his head coach is Lloyd Irving....he's a BJJ back ground coach...Lloyd is always in his corner

Gabri1985 · January 22

bjj is the weakest for

BruteDion said:

cromwell said:
the whole point of being a mixed martial artist is exactly that, you have to be trained in all aspects. you can't just go in with pure bjj, you cant go in with just wrestling, you can't go in with just striking, you would be a fool not to have every weapon available to you. davis can't tell me he has never trained bjj.
Your right....his head coach is Lloyd Irving....he's a BJJ back ground coach...Lloyd is always in his corner

i hope Davis gets another beat down.

Omoplataypus · January 22

Going back a couple of cards, did anybody see that Sambo champ German suplex his opponent 3 times in a row, with the 3rd one basically Koing the guy. That was art.

Syklone · January 22

^ yep Rustam Khabilov. Was awesome.

Yerbo · January 22

He's probably right. But I'd rather watch 2 BJJers rolling than 2 wrestlers dry-humping any day. And that's coming from a former wrestler hah.

V3dj · January 22

the_enigma said:
^ yep Rustam Khabilov. Was awesome.

So was amazing highlight of that card

Omoplataypus · January 22

That guy was like a helpless little baby in Rustam's arms. The technique on display in that fight was beautiful. Boy do I love me some wrasslin slams.

V3dj · January 22

yep he was tossed like the preverbial salad

Omoplataypus · January 22

Back on topic, wouldn't the best BJJer beat the best wrastler? Even if you manage to take the guy down, slam him, whatever, your still in his world of ground fighting. Even with a basic understanding of BJJ the wrestler would still get subbed in a heartbeat by the BEST BJJer.

V3dj · January 22

if its just pure wreslting vs bjj then bjj woould win as u can finish with bjj

spartacus_ · January 22

the_enigma said:
He's right, wrestling is a fantastic way of controlling your opponent so you don't have to fight.

i wish i could agree and like your comment.

Omoplataypus · January 22

V3dj said:
if its just pure wreslting vs bjj then bjj woould win as u can finish with bjj

But you could win a decision with control via wrestling.

V3dj · January 22

like chael vs anderson 1?

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