The ufc title shot system broken down into gold stars.

the_enigmathe_enigma Posts: 19,086Premium
edited January 2013 in UFC
You need four gold stars to get a title shot.

4 gold stars - be a champion or interim champion
3 gold stars - being a fighter fans want to watch
3 gold stars - champion lacks opponents
2 gold stars - last win was a top opponent
1 gold star - have a winning streak
1 gold stars - if Dana says so
-1 gold star - coming off a loss (unless loss was to top opponent)
-1 gold star - had an injury that delayed a previously earned title shot
-1 gold stars - if Dana says so
-1 gold stars - there are available fighters in the division people would prefer see fight for the title
-2 gold stars - champion has a lot of opponents to choose from
-3 gold stars - there is another champion / interim champion to fight the current champ (unless they have another fight already)
-10 gold stars - be currently injured or suspended and the champ wants to fight soon
-10 gold stars - if there is more then one man with equal amount of gold stars and if dana says so (unless there is more then 1 champ in division to fight)

Lets see how this works for the 205lb division...

Chael Sonnen

3 gold stars - being a fighter fans want to watch
2 gold stars - last win was a top opponent
1 gold star - if Dana says so
-2 gold stars - champion has a lot of opponents to choose from

total 4 gold stars = title shot

Dan Henderson

3 gold stars - being a fighter fans want to watch
2 gold stars - last win was a top opponent
1 gold star - have a winning streak
-1 gold star - had an injury that delayed a previously earned title shot
-2 gold stars - champion has a lot of opponents to choose from

total 3 gold stars = no title shot

Lyoto Machida

3 gold stars - being a fighter fans want to watch
-2 gold stars - champion has a lot of opponents to choose from

total 1 gold star = no title shot

Alexander Gustafsson

2 gold stars - last win was a top opponent
1 gold star - have a winning streak
-1 gold stars - there are available fighters in the division people would prefer see fight for the title
-2 gold stars - champion has a lot of opponents to choose from


total 0 gold stars = no title shot


Demian Maia's title shot to Anderson Silva back at ufc 112

3 gold stars - champion lacks opponents
1 gold stars - if Dana says so

total 4 gold stars = title shot

Also whether or not Diaz deserved a title shot over Hendricks:

Nick Diaz

3 gold stars - being a fighter fans want to watch
2 gold stars - last win was a top opponent
1 gold stars - if Dana says so
-2 gold stars - champion has a lot of opponents to choose from

total 4 gold stars = title shot

Johny Hendricks

2 gold stars - last win was a top opponent
1 gold star - have a winning streak
-1 gold star - if Dana says so
-1 gold stars - there are fighters in the division people would prefer see fight for the title
-2 gold stars - champion has a lot of opponents to choose from

-1 gold stars = no title shot

how about why Carlos got a shot at GSP and not Diaz until now

Carlos Condit

4 gold stars - be a champion or interim champion
2 gold stars - last win was a top opponent
1 gold star - have a winning streak
-1 gold stars - there are available fighters in the division people would prefer see fight for the title
-2 gold stars - champion has a lot of opponents to choose from

total 4 gold stars = title shot

Nick Diaz

3 gold stars - being a fighter fans want to watch
2 gold stars - last win was a top opponent
1 gold stars - if Dana says so
-2 gold stars - champion has a lot of opponents to choose from
-3 gold stars - there is another champion / interim champion to fight the champ (unless they have another fight already)
-10 gold stars - be currently injured or suspended and the champ wants to fight soon

-9 gold stars = no title shot



What are your thoughts, can you think of any title shots that don't work in this system?













Post edited by the_enigma on
^ I agree.
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  • the_enigmathe_enigma Posts: 19,086Premium
    how about back when there were two heavyweight champs defending their titles?

    Brock Lesnar
    3 gold stars - being a fighter fans want to watch
    2 gold stars - last win was a top opponent
    1 gold stars - if Dana says so
    -2 gold stars - champion has a lot of opponents to choose from

    total 4 gold stars = title shot with Randy

    Big Nog
    4 gold stars - be a champion or interim champion
    2 gold stars - last win was a top opponent
    1 gold star - have a winning streak
    -1 gold stars - if Dana says so
    -1 gold stars - there are available fighters in the division people would prefer see fight for the title
    -2 gold stars - champion has a lot of opponents to choose from

    total 3 gold stars = no title unification

    Frank Mir
    2 gold stars - last win was a top opponent
    1 gold star - have a winning streak
    -1 gold stars - if Dana says so
    -1 gold stars - there are available fighters in the division people would prefer see fight for the title
    -2 gold stars - champion has a lot of opponents to choose from
    -3 gold stars - there is another champion / interim champion to fight the current champ (unless they have another fight already)

    total -4 gold stars = Brock Lesnar title shot, Mir next best thing to get shot with interim champ.
    ^ I agree.
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  • classicboxerclassicboxer Posts: 11,847Free
    Sonnen's fights, with the exception of Silva, are boring. Only one star there.
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  • Yesterdays_HeroYesterdays_Hero Posts: 23,650Free

    Sonnen's fights, with the exception of Silva, are boring. Only one star there.

    The fans want to see him, he's one of the biggest draws in the UFC.
  • OmoplataypusOmoplataypus BostonPosts: 4,619Free
    Henderson HAD an injury. He's fighting soon, so one must assume he's healed. Please adjust OP accordingly. Thank you and have a nice day.
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  • the_enigmathe_enigma Posts: 19,086Premium

    Henderson HAD an injury. He's fighting soon, so one must assume he's healed. Please adjust OP accordingly. Thank you and have a nice day.

    fixed to this: (which was the original intention of that particular -1 star)

    Dan Henderson

    3 gold stars - being a fighter fans want to watch
    2 gold stars - last win was a top opponent
    1 gold star - have a winning streak
    -1 gold star - had an injury that delayed a previously earned title shot
    -2 gold stars - champion has a lot of opponents to choose from

    total 3 gold stars = no title shot

    If it's still not good enough for you then:

    Dan Henderson

    3 gold stars - being a fighter fans want to watch
    2 gold stars - last win was a top opponent
    1 gold star - have a winning streak
    -1 gold star - if dana says so
    -2 gold stars - champion has a lot of opponents to choose from

    total 3 gold stars = no title shot
    ^ I agree.
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  • secondsoutsecondsout Posts: 445Free
    50 gold stars - courage to step in on short notice without preparation
    100 gold stars - same + dangerous opponent
    150 gold stars - nobody else wants to do it

    Consequence: Chael deserves a JBJ fight having gathered 250 g.s.
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  • the_enigmathe_enigma Posts: 19,086Premium

    50 gold stars - courage to step in on short notice without preparation
    100 gold stars - same + dangerous opponent
    150 gold stars - nobody else wants to do it

    Consequence: Chael deserves a JBJ fight having gathered 250 g.s.

    That's 300 gold stars :D

    ^ I agree.
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  • secondsoutsecondsout Posts: 445Free
    no, no, excuse me, sir ....second one is just a progression of the first one (first is included if second criteria is fullfilled), my calculations are top notch. L-)
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  • the_enigmathe_enigma Posts: 19,086Premium
    edited January 2013

    no, no, excuse me, sir ....second one is just a progression of the first one (first is included if second criteria is fullfilled), my calculations are top notch. L-)

    oh, so you do things in an unnecessarily confusing manner that simple people like me can't keep up with :D

    You should write bank loan terms and conditions ;) :P
    Post edited by the_enigma on
    ^ I agree.
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  • the_enigmathe_enigma Posts: 19,086Premium
    edited January 2013

    i like it.

    too bad this is how it goes:
    +4 if dana says so
    -4 if dana says so

    agreed but that's kind of what I was going for except it's split up into
    +3 being a fighter fans want to watch and
    +1 if dana says so
    and the opposite
    the +1 or -1 from Dana was added mainly to break up ties... but sometimes if dana +1's someone and -1's someone it'll result in a draw
    which inspired this:
    -10 gold stars - if there is more then one man with equal amount of gold stars and if dana says so (unless there is more then 1 champ in division to fight)
    Post edited by the_enigma on
    ^ I agree.
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  • OmoplataypusOmoplataypus BostonPosts: 4,619Free
    edited January 2013
    Im calling BS on the "champion has a lot of opponents to choose from". Just because there are others in line has nothing to do with the top guy's status (assuming he's ready to fight).

    Edit- in Hendos case anyway. If he beats Machida and doesnt get the next shot its plain garbage.
    Post edited by Omoplataypus on
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  • the_enigmathe_enigma Posts: 19,086Premium
    edited January 2013

    Im calling BS on the "champion has a lot of opponents to choose from". Just because there are others in line has nothing to do with the top guy's status (assuming he's ready to fight).

    Edit- in Hendos case anyway. If he beats Machida and doesnt get the next shot its plain garbage.

    Hendo will definitely get the title shot if he Beats machida. The winner of that fight has to get the shot. Machida was going to get the shot with a win over Bader, but when he asked for more time to get a proper training camp they gave it to Vitor. Hendo had the shot but got injured.

    Plus, this isn't what the title shot system should be, it's what the ufc title shot system is. The fact that things like "if the fans want to see you" and "if dana says so" is BS but it's true.

    Post edited by the_enigma on
    ^ I agree.
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  • classicboxerclassicboxer Posts: 11,847Free

    50 gold stars - courage to step in on short notice without preparation
    100 gold stars - same + dangerous opponent
    150 gold stars - nobody else wants to do it

    Consequence: Chael deserves a JBJ fight having gathered 250 g.s.

    Take a fight you know you have no chance of winning - Minus 500
    Talk much better then you fight - minus 500
    Kiss everybody's **** to get a title fight in a division you don't even fight in - minus 500
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  • mmafan73mmafan73 Posts: 7,911Free
    good thread...interdasting
    I love to be between a mans strong legs just like my Boyfriend Chael does

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  • OmoplataypusOmoplataypus BostonPosts: 4,619Free

    Im calling BS on the "champion has a lot of opponents to choose from". Just because there are others in line has nothing to do with the top guy's status (assuming he's ready to fight).

    Edit- in Hendos case anyway. If he beats Machida and doesnt get the next shot its plain garbage.

    Hendo will definitely get the title shot if he Beats machida. The winner of that fight has to get the shot. Machida was going to get the shot with a win over Bader, but when he asked for more time to get a proper training camp they gave it to Vitor. Hendo had the shot but got injured.

    Plus, this isn't what the title shot system should be, it's what the ufc title shot system is. The fact that things like "if the fans want to see you" and "if dana says so" is BS but it's true.

    Gotcha. My main hope is to see Dangerous Dan win UFC Gold before he bows out. I think he can beat JBJ but if Sonnen gets the upset I can see him pulling a Shields and LayNpraying Hendo to a victory. That would suck for me.

    I think Chaels wrestling is a lot more dangerous to JBJ then he gets credit for. Plus we've never seen JBJ off his back. He might crap his pants.
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  • the_enigmathe_enigma Posts: 19,086Premium
    ^
    ^ I agree.
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  • GSP_over_SilvaGSP_over_Silva Posts: 12,185Free
    Terrible thread.
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  • the_enigmathe_enigma Posts: 19,086Premium
    5 star thread
    ^ I agree.
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  • secondsoutsecondsout Posts: 445Free

    no, no, excuse me, sir ....second one is just a progression of the first one (first is included if second criteria is fullfilled), my calculations are top notch. L-)

    oh, so you do things in an unnecessarily confusing manner that simple people like me can't keep up with :D

    You should write bank loan terms and conditions ;) :P
    Look, I would, but I am too honest, they don't take people like me....

    :(
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