Wrestling in UFC.

Muzzle_rousey_please · February 6

Ok so I'm not familiar with all this NCAA division 1 2 ect and I'm just wanting to know like which UFC fighter has had the best wrestling credentials before starting MMA?

SteelerNation43 · February 6

Right now its Cormier. He finished in 4th place in his first Olympics. and his 2nd olympics he was named team captain but could not compete due to kidney failure.

Randy Couture was an alternative in the Olympics.

Hendo attended the olympics

Outside the olympics i believe the best wrestler was Lesnar with a 106-5 Division 1 record.

SteelerNation43 · February 6

Mark Coleman also placed 7th in the olympics.

carnages41 · February 6

Probably Bobby Green, he has a 234-6 Division 1 record

Muzzle_rousey_please · February 6

Yeah I've heard that about hendo didn't realize dc was that good I heard he was an Olympian but I didn't realized he ranked..... I also remember rogan or goldy was talking about that Marcus levessuer(sp?) was undefeated....but he couldn't fight...

SteelerNation43 · February 6

Muzzle_rousey_please said:
Yeah I've heard that about hendo didn't realize dc was that good I heard he was an Olympian but I didn't realized he ranked..... I also remember rogan or goldy was talking about that Marcus levessuer(sp?) was undefeated....but he couldn't fight...

yea, he has the most reputable wrestling background in MMA history.....If Kurt Angle ever gotten into MMA (which he thought about) it would of been him.

ijosef · February 6

Daniel Cormier is a former Olympian, so I'll give that to him. The same goes for Dan Henderson, as he competed in Greco Roman in the Olympics. NCAA is essentially collegiate wrestling, with the larger (and usually better) schools having lower numbers. Therefore, division I is much more competitive than division II, which is much more competitive than division III, etc. There have been a few NCAA division I champs in the UFC before like Brock Lesnar and Kevin Randleman, as well as current guys like Phil Davis, Josh Koscheck and Mark Munoz.

However, pure wrestling (most of it in the form of freestyle in the current collegiate point system) doesn't translate completely into MMA without some adaptation. There are guys in the UFC with incredible MMA-based wrestling that never had a background in the discipline, such as Georges St-Pierre. Some "high level wrestlers" adapt well to the MMA cage, others do not.

Muzzle_rousey_please · February 6

SteelerNation43 said:

Muzzle_rousey_please said:
Yeah I've heard that about hendo didn't realize dc was that good I heard he was an Olympian but I didn't realized he ranked..... I also remember rogan or goldy was talking about that Marcus levessuer(sp?) was undefeated....but he couldn't fight...
yea, he has the most reputable wrestling background in MMA history.....If Kurt Angle ever gotten into MMA (which he thought about) it would of been him.

I remember when he first came to wwe I'm sure it was wwf still. I thought that was just some make up story about Kurt angle years later I looked it up and couldn't believe it was true.......musta been a money thang.... LoL

Jbrahams · February 6

James Toney was a NCAA Div II champion

Muzzle_rousey_please · February 6

ijosef said:
Daniel Cormier is a former Olympian, so I'll give that to him. The same goes for Dan Henderson, as he competed in Greco Roman in the Olympics. NCAA is essentially collegiate wrestling, with the larger (and usually better) schools having lower numbers. Therefore, division I is much more competitive than division II, which is much more competitive than division III, etc. There have been a few NCAA division I champs in the UFC before like Brock Lesnar and Kevin Randleman, as well as current guys like Phil Davis, Josh Koscheck and Mark Munoz.

However, pure wrestling (most of it in the form of freestyle in the current collegiate point system) doesn't translate completely into MMA without some adaptation. There are guys in the UFC with incredible MMA-based wrestling that never had a background in the discipline, such as Georges St-Pierre. Some "high level wrestlers" adapt well to the MMA cage, others do not.

Thanks quite helpful, and yeah I knew that about Georges as he trains with the Canadian Olympic team or something along those lines

classicboxer · February 6

ijosef said:
Daniel Cormier is a former Olympian, so I'll give that to him. The same goes for Dan Henderson, as he competed in Greco Roman in the Olympics. NCAA is essentially collegiate wrestling, with the larger (and usually better) schools having lower numbers. Therefore, division I is much more competitive than division II, which is much more competitive than division III, etc. There have been a few NCAA division I champs in the UFC before like Brock Lesnar and Kevin Randleman, as well as current guys like Phil Davis, Josh Koscheck and Mark Munoz.

However, pure wrestling (most of it in the form of freestyle in the current collegiate point system) doesn't translate completely into MMA without some adaptation. There are guys in the UFC with incredible MMA-based wrestling that never had a background in the discipline, such as Georges St-Pierre. Some "high level wrestlers" adapt well to the MMA cage, others do not.

I think Randleman and Hendricks both won 2 NCAA titles.

KcEnRuYTcetoRp · February 6

Wrestling in the UFC ..

If you havent noticed wrestling has become the hugest aspect of the UFC .. Especially since you look at all the hype surrounding sub par fighters.. so yeah ever since dana met with ed mcmahon ive seen UFC get dominated by wrestling

classicboxer · February 6

KcEnRuYTcetoRp said:
Wrestling in the UFC ..

If you havent noticed wrestling has become the hugest aspect of the UFC .. Especially since you look at all the hype surrounding sub par fighters.. so yeah ever since dana met with ed mcmahon ive seen UFC get dominated by wrestling

Ed McMahon?

Za1994 · February 6

Muzzle_rousey_please said:
Yeah I've heard that about hendo didn't realize dc was that good I heard he was an Olympian but I didn't realized he ranked..... I also remember rogan or goldy was talking about that Marcus levessuer(sp?) was undefeated....but he couldn't fight...

Marcus was undefeated in his collegiate wrestling career in division III wrestling. Division I is where all the true monsters are at and division II and III are mostly schools that aren't big enough to make it to division I. But its still good competition; just not as good as division I most of the time. But there has been history of NCAA Division II champions beating NCAA Division I champions in wrestling.

KcEnRuYTcetoRp · February 6

stand corrected ...vince mcmahon

Muzzle_rousey_please · February 6

Za1994 said:

Muzzle_rousey_please said:
Yeah I've heard that about hendo didn't realize dc was that good I heard he was an Olympian but I didn't realized he ranked..... I also remember rogan or goldy was talking about that Marcus levessuer(sp?) was undefeated....but he couldn't fight...
Marcus was undefeated in his collegiate wrestling career in division III wrestling. Division I is where all the true monsters are at and division II and III are mostly schools that aren't big enough to make it to division I. But its still good competition; just not as good as division I most of the time. But there has been history of NCAA Division II champions beating NCAA Division I champions in wrestling.

Ahhh he was probley as good as a division 2 champ just at a small school so he owned all the not so good fellas lol but nah that made plenty of sense dude thanks.

Sisti · February 6

Some wrestling stats...

Daniel Cormier:
101-9 High School Wrestling Record (3X state champion)
2-time NJCAA Champion
Trasferred to Michigan State, almost won NCAA Div 1 Championship, but lost to the legendary Cael Sanderson
4th overall in the 2004 Olympics

Chael Sonnen:
2-time runner up at the NJCAA (poor chael with his runner-ups lol)
2-time Shultz International Champion
2nd place at World University Championship
NCAA Div. 1 All-American

Ben Askren:
4-time Div. 1 All-American
Two-time NCAA runner-up, and Two-time NCAA Champ
2008 Olympic team, but didn't medal

Brock Lesnar:
Last year in High School was 33-0
one-time NCAA runner-up, and one time NCAA Champ

Dan Severn:
Div. 1 All-American
3-Time Olympic Alternate

Randy Couture:
3-Time Div. 1 All-American
2-Time NCAA runner-up
3-Time Olympic Alternate

Dan Henderson:
2-Time Olympian
3-Time Pan American Medalist

I'd say that Brock, Askren, and DC are the most accomplished wrestlers overall

Also, Hendo, Kos, and Hendricks are definitely up there

KcEnRuYTcetoRp · February 6

Brock is a can
Randy was a can that fought a lot of cans
Henderson likes TRT
Sonnen likes TRT
Cormier - So far so good except mysterious organ failure
Severn was a CAN
Askren - who ?? lol

Sisti · February 6

On a side note, wrestling is probably the toughest and most grueling sport on earth. I always wondered why people in MMA despise it so much. Mixed martial arts is an extremely interesting and dynamic sport, and it's all about who is the most effective/stylistically superior/intelligent martial artist. If wrestling has extremely effective techniques, why not give those fighters credit for being able to dominate the most skilled martial artists on earth?

Little_Kang · February 6

Kosvheck and Phil Davis were also up there on credentials

Jimz · February 6

Sisti said:
On a side note, wrestling is probably the toughest and most grueling sport on earth. I always wondered why people in MMA despise it so much. Mixed martial arts is an extremely interesting and dynamic sport, and it's all about who is the most effective/stylistically superior/intelligent martial artist. If wrestling has extremely effective techniques, why not give those fighters credit for being able to dominate the most skilled martial artists on earth?

I don't think you see the point, people don't despise wrestling, they despise how some fighters choose to implement it in their game.

there's a difference between offensive wrestling and stalling..
stalling should NOT be seen as dominating

Little_Kang · February 6

Jimz said:

Sisti said:
On a side note, wrestling is probably the toughest and most grueling sport on earth. I always wondered why people in MMA despise it so much. Mixed martial arts is an extremely interesting and dynamic sport, and it's all about who is the most effective/stylistically superior/intelligent martial artist. If wrestling has extremely effective techniques, why not give those fighters credit for being able to dominate the most skilled martial artists on earth?
I don't think you see the point, people don't despise wrestling, they despise how some fighters choose to implement it in their game.

there's a difference between offensive wrestling and stalling..
stalling should NOT be seen as dominating

ie using a takedown with 30 seconds left to "win the round"

thats a punk move

SteelerNation43 · February 6

Little_Kang said:

Jimz said:

Sisti said:
On a side note, wrestling is probably the toughest and most grueling sport on earth. I always wondered why people in MMA despise it so much. Mixed martial arts is an extremely interesting and dynamic sport, and it's all about who is the most effective/stylistically superior/intelligent martial artist. If wrestling has extremely effective techniques, why not give those fighters credit for being able to dominate the most skilled martial artists on earth?
I don't think you see the point, people don't despise wrestling, they despise how some fighters choose to implement it in their game.

there's a difference between offensive wrestling and stalling..
stalling should NOT be seen as dominating

ie using a takedown with 30 seconds left to "win the round"

thats a punk move

more like **** judges.

georgelebrun · February 6

carnages41 said:
Probably Bobby Green, he has a 234-6 Division 1 record

For real? That is good! I Honestly had no idea he was a wrestler, as I haven't seen him fight yet. All I remember was when he fought a while back (KOTC i think) his fighting style was described as 'Hood' so i assumed he was a brawler

SteelerNation43 · February 6

georgelebrun said:

carnages41 said:
Probably Bobby Green, he has a 234-6 Division 1 record
For real? That is good! I Honestly had no idea he was a wrestler, as I haven't seen him fight yet. All I remember was when he fought a while back (KOTC i think) his fighting style was described as 'Hood' so i assumed he was a brawler

lol, idk how long you've been around or know carnage....but you'll get used to him....No, Green does not have those type of credentials. as far as i know.

Little_Kang · February 6

SteelerNation43 said:

Little_Kang said:

Jimz said:

Sisti said:
On a side note, wrestling is probably the toughest and most grueling sport on earth. I always wondered why people in MMA despise it so much. Mixed martial arts is an extremely interesting and dynamic sport, and it's all about who is the most effective/stylistically superior/intelligent martial artist. If wrestling has extremely effective techniques, why not give those fighters credit for being able to dominate the most skilled martial artists on earth?
I don't think you see the point, people don't despise wrestling, they despise how some fighters choose to implement it in their game.

there's a difference between offensive wrestling and stalling..
stalling should NOT be seen as dominating

ie using a takedown with 30 seconds left to "win the round"

thats a punk move
more like **** judges.

judges shouldnt score it and fighters shouldnt be punks for doing it

SteelerNation43 · February 6

Little_Kang said:

SteelerNation43 said:

Little_Kang said:

Jimz said:

Sisti said:
On a side note, wrestling is probably the toughest and most grueling sport on earth. I always wondered why people in MMA despise it so much. Mixed martial arts is an extremely interesting and dynamic sport, and it's all about who is the most effective/stylistically superior/intelligent martial artist. If wrestling has extremely effective techniques, why not give those fighters credit for being able to dominate the most skilled martial artists on earth?
I don't think you see the point, people don't despise wrestling, they despise how some fighters choose to implement it in their game.

there's a difference between offensive wrestling and stalling..
stalling should NOT be seen as dominating

ie using a takedown with 30 seconds left to "win the round"

thats a punk move
more like **** judges.
judges shouldnt score it and fighters shouldnt be punks for doing it

Thats just silly.

Little_Kang · February 6

Whats silly about that? What does the takedown in that last ten seconds really do? doesnt hurt your opponent, doesnt put you any closer to finishing them and there isnt enough time to work on the ground.

I would score the takedown unless something is actually done with it. Just like if someone scores the takedown but the opponent immediately gets up. Only thing you gkve it is aggression because if it was EFFECTIVE grappling you would have been able to keep the guy down OR scored that takedown earlier

SteelerNation43 · February 6

well GSP was out for

Little_Kang said:
Whats silly about that? What does the takedown in that last ten seconds really do? doesnt hurt your opponent, doesnt put you any closer to finishing them and there isnt enough time to work on the ground.

I would score the takedown unless something is actually done with it. Just like if someone scores the takedown but the opponent immediately gets up. Only thing you gkve it is aggression because if it was EFFECTIVE grappling you would have been able to keep the guy down OR scored that takedown earlier

because if your successful its the easiest way to neutralize your opponents striking.

SolidStateLogic · February 6

Aleksandr Karelin if he ever did MMA

Little_Kang · February 6

SteelerNation43 said:
well GSP was out for
Little_Kang said:
Whats silly about that? What does the takedown in that last ten seconds really do? doesnt hurt your opponent, doesnt put you any closer to finishing them and there isnt enough time to work on the ground.

I would score the takedown unless something is actually done with it. Just like if someone scores the takedown but the opponent immediately gets up. Only thing you gkve it is aggression because if it was EFFECTIVE grappling you would have been able to keep the guy down OR scored that takedown earlier
because if your successful its the easiest way to neutralize your opponents striking.

but 10 left in a round? why not earlier then and actually work on the ground?

It is the exact same as people who lay in the ground. The guard is a neutral position and if all the guy on top is just holding on to play the clock then i wouldnt give him the edge on the ground he never did anything from there

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