Anyone else think Flyweight and bantamweight need to be scrapped?

Waffen

Yes, the fights are super fast and super technical, but between two fighters who are right at the top, they recover from being rocked so damn fast, you will always have a decision. The last mighty mouse fight a case in point. Also the benavidez / McCall fight. Yeah it's fun to see the technique and speed, but at the highest levels decisions will be like 90% of the time, Finishes and Ko's will be few and far between. Anyone else think like this? I'm fine with featherweight and above as people can generate enough power to ko people or rock them and finish them before they can recover. Just find the lowest two divisions a bit of a bore ;/

TalkLost

Agreed, I hate bantamweight and flyweight and to be honest I'm not that keen on featherweight either but I can at least tolerate featherweight. Flyweight and bantamweight need to be scrapped, not because of the lack of finishes, but because of their shallow depth. I have no interest in seeing the same people fight for the title over and over again.

spartacus_

TalkLost said:

Agreed, I hate bantamweight and flyweight and to be honest I'm not that keen on featherweight either but I can at least tolerate featherweight. Flyweight and bantamweight need to be scrapped, not because of the lack of finishes, but because of their shallow depth. I have no interest in seeing the same people fight for the title over and over again.

"at least tolerate"? featherweight is awesome.

Yesterdays_Hero

No and no one's forcing you to watch the fights of those divisions.

Waffen

Yesterdays_Hero said:

No and no one's forcing you to watch the fights of those divisions.

Yes, fine I can fast forward the fights if I choose, mind, if these fights didn't exist, we'd have more fights from divisions that I would prefer to watch. The above comment about lack of depth is also a consideration, most of the lower divisions top guys have fought like two or 3 times against each other, if they nearly always go to decision, I don't see a huge amount of interest. Yes, it's high level and super quick, problem is at the top of the smaller classes they all are too damn quick at recovery and also super quick on the defense. Just find it boring to watch people fighting to a decision all the time.

And while I'm at it, scrap the women too, don't watch women's football, boxing, cricket, rugby, basketball, if I was a woman maybe I would, afraid it's similar reasons to the above, the amount of people who watch it, doesn't justify having a weight class with 6 decent individuals in the world in it.

najma

Yesterdays_Hero said:

No and no one's forcing you to watch the fights of those divisions.

No-one's forcing me to watch child pornography either. But that doesn't mean it should exist, does it?

ijosef

I like both divisions, and I think they've got enough bantamweights for some decent depth. The flyweight division needs more development, however.

Despite being a fan of the lighter weight classes, I do NOT want to see a 115 pound division. I think that borders on the ridiculous. Flyweight is small enough. I'd rather see them add a superheavyweight (265+) division than a strawweight/atomweight/whatever division.

AxeMurduh

I'm not a big fan of the little guys, only one I really like is Dodson. I heard ufc is adding a baby weight division 115ers its pathetic if you ask me

BruteDion

Waffen said:

Yesterdays_Hero said:

No and no one's forcing you to watch the fights of those divisions.

Yes, fine I can fast forward the fights if I choose, mind, if these fights didn't exist, we'd have more fights from divisions that I would prefer to watch. The above comment about lack of depth is also a consideration, most of the lower divisions top guys have fought like two or 3 times against each other, if they nearly always go to decision, I don't see a huge amount of interest. Yes, it's high level and super quick, problem is at the top of the smaller classes they all are too damn quick at recovery and also super quick on the defense. Just find it boring to watch people fighting to a decision all the time.

And while I'm at it, scrap the women too, don't watch women's football, boxing, cricket, rugby, basketball, if I was a woman maybe I would, afraid it's similar reasons to the above, the amount of people who watch it, doesn't justify having a weight class with 6 decent individuals in the world in it.

Ok name me some trilogy's or rematchs that have happened at Fly and Bant that is between the top guys like u said have already happened (ill be nice and let u use all the top 10 if you want)

Waffen

Basically look at the WEC last few years, Mike Brown etc, all the lower weight classes been dominated by 2 or 3 fighters, and they have fought themselves over and over. I do notice you aren't asking me about finishes for these championship fights at these weights..

And if they add atom weight or whatever, I just see this as further diluting cards, sure you get more events a year, shame is most of the cards will only actually have one or two fights worth watching. It's going to go the way of boxing, where you have the headline then basically rubbish to act as filler. Don't think the UFC has a strong enough audience for this, and if they go this way, pvp will bomb.

Actually, it would be interesting to see the number of finishes compared to decisions in title matches for the bantamweight and lightweight divisions as a percentage of the total. Anyone got the time to research it? I've got work, but I'll try look tomorrow if nobody else does.

edh1

I don't mind watching the little guys ,they are so damn technical,some times they are so fast it's hard to folllow,the only problem is the flyweights and bantamweight divisions consist of so few fighters that we seem to see the same 6 fighters contantly.How many times has uriah faber got a title shot,it seems he's always in a #1 contenders match or fighting for the title.In short the divisions just are not deep enough.As far as the fights go ,i don't mind decisions as long as the fight is technical and /or exciting .UFC FANS HAVE TO REALIZE AT THE HIGHEST LVELS OF MMA WHEN IT'S THE #1 GUY VS #2 GUY , BOTH GUYS ARE SO WELL ROUNDED A LOT OF TIMES THE FINISH JUST AINT THERE.I love this sport and can not stand people that boo when it goes to the ground , the ground is 1/2 of mma and very very important.I love KO'S but subs are equally as exciting.Doninick cruz and mighty mouse are both great fighters i just wish they had deeper divisions to contend with.

SteelerNation43

Flyweight is extremely new. You have to give it time.

BW is perfectly fine atm...it looks bad because Barao and Cruz haven't fought in a long time but there's still great matchups to be had there.

Waffen

SteelerNation43 said:

Flyweight is extremely new. You have to give it time.

BW is perfectly fine atm...it looks bad because Barao and Cruz haven't fought in a long time but there's still great matchups to be had there.

Not really, all I can see is judges decision all the way, these guys are too fast and too damn good, can't see past a judges decision, yes you will get a spectacular KO once in a while or a fantastic sub, but all in all these weight classes are just padding for a card.. a title fight, you know will go the distance, sorry I don't buy in..

Waffen

edh1 said:

I don't mind watching the little guys ,they are so damn technical,some times they are so fast it's hard to folllow,the only problem is the flyweights and bantamweight divisions consist of so few fighters that we seem to see the same 6 fighters contantly.How many times has uriah faber got a title shot,it seems he's always in a #1 contenders match or fighting for the title.In short the divisions just are not deep enough.As far as the fights go ,i don't mind decisions as long as the fight is technical and /or exciting .UFC FANS HAVE TO REALIZE AT THE HIGHEST LVELS OF MMA WHEN IT'S THE #1 GUY VS #2 GUY , BOTH GUYS ARE SO WELL ROUNDED A LOT OF TIMES THE FINISH JUST AINT THERE.I love this sport and can not stand people that boo when it goes to the ground , the ground is 1/2 of mma and very very important.I love KO'S but subs are equally as exciting.Doninick cruz and mighty mouse are both great fighters i just wish they had deeper divisions to contend with.

explain to me the 'ground game' in mighty mouses' last fight.. wasn't any worth mentioning, hence why I posted!

Brent555

No. I don't need a fight to be finished in order to enjoy it, in fact I think the best fights in history have gone to decision. I think most people would agree.

KOOKORK

Waffen said:

Yes, the fights are super fast and super technical, but between two fighters who are right at the top, they recover from being rocked so damn fast, you will always have a decision. The last mighty mouse fight a case in point. Also the benavidez / McCall fight. Yeah it's fun to see the technique and speed, but at the highest levels decisions will be like 90% of the time, Finishes and Ko's will be few and far between. Anyone else think like this? I'm fine with featherweight and above as people can generate enough power to ko people or rock them and finish them before they can recover. Just find the lowest two divisions a bit of a bore ;/

So If a lake is shallow should we dry it out?.

I think by giving time both these divisions will attract more exciting fighters. UFC itself was not that exciting from the beginning . It took time and patience.

SteelerNation43

Waffen said:

SteelerNation43 said:

Flyweight is extremely new. You have to give it time.

BW is perfectly fine atm...it looks bad because Barao and Cruz haven't fought in a long time but there's still great matchups to be had there.

Not really, all I can see is judges decision all the way, these guys are too fast and too damn good, can't see past a judges decision, yes you will get a spectacular KO once in a while or a fantastic sub, but all in all these weight classes are just padding for a card.. a title fight, you know will go the distance, sorry I don't buy in..

Thats because Benavidez, MM, and Dodson have never been finished before in their careers. Creepy only once. They're not easy guys to beat let alone finish. Of course their fights with each other are gonna be close as ****.

lets look at other fights inn the UFC when they're not facing each other.....

Benavidez KOd Urushitani

Dodson KOd Dillashaw and Formiga

Gaudinot subbed LInekar

Moraga KOd Gomez

Uyenoyama subbd Harris.


Thats not bad at all for the limited amount of time Flyweight has been in the UFC and the fact that they're the lightest weight class atm.

iNOOB

^^ Moraga KO'd Gomez not Lineker

He also subbed Cariaso

SteelerNation43

iNOOB said:

^^ Moraga KO'd Gomez not Lineker

He also subbed Cariaso

yea your right, got my Johns confused.

Waffen

that's my point, when you get to the elite of the weight class, it's near enough always a decision. Yeah sure you get a mad KO from time to time, but normally it will go to decision, not something I'd actually pay to view if you know what I mean. I'm not saying they aren't skilled, but put it this way, if flyweight and bantamweight were on their own card and show, do you think it would be successful? I don't, too many close fights and not enough finishes.. featherweight maybe, people have the weight to finish, anything lighter and it's all filler for the card..

Waffen

Brent555 said:

No. I don't need a fight to be finished in order to enjoy it, in fact I think the best fights in history have gone to decision. I think most people would agree.

only need to mention gsp and you sir are history :P

prodigy9

Why do we need knockouts?
The fights are exciting and technical?
If you want to see finishes watch UFC 1.

Waffen

i take it you watch strawweight and flyweight boxing? yes the technique and speed is great, but if they both recover from a full on haymaker to the face in less than a second.. the fight is going to be a bit boring no?

Waffen

prodigy9 said:

Why do we need knockouts?
The fights are exciting and technical?
If you want to see finishes watch UFC 1.

prodigy9 said:

Why do we need knockouts?
The fights are exciting and technical?
If you want to see finishes watch UFC 1.

I have ufc1 on video cassette, I've seen the finishes since 20 years ago.. probably before you were a glint in your dads eye.. run along..

prodigy9

Ha I've got it on cassette too, couldn't find it on DVD.

I joined the forum in 09, you joined last week so I don't think you're in a position to question the longevity of my support.

P.S. UFC 1 was 20 years ago. I'm 35.

SteelerNation43

Look if i said i enjoy the 125 and 135 divisions better than the heavier weight classes id be lying.....but that doesn't mean they're not good and worthy of being around. With some recent people dropping its been getting better and better imo.

Waffen

prodigy9 said:

Ha I've got it on cassette too, couldn't find it on DVD.

I joined the forum in 09, you joined last week so I don't think you're in a position to question the longevity of my support.

P.S. UFC 1 was 20 years ago. I'm 35.

prodigy9 said:

Ha I've got it on cassette too, couldn't find it on DVD.

I joined the forum in 09, you joined last week so I don't think you're in a position to question the longevity of my support.

P.S. UFC 1 was 20 years ago. I'm 35.

lol, I'm38, and i bought the video off a dodgy mate for 10 quid!! It never came out on dvd.. well not when it was relevant :P when people started scrapping in my local pub, shout's of Kemo, went up lol, well that was in later years, the local landlord of the pub showed these vids on the lock ins.. What got me into mma tbh.. yeah i joined last week, been here from the start.. watched tito rise and fall, watched chuck come and go, watch randy come and come again :P Loved this sport since it had zip interest, no forum, nobody interested.. I joined the sport at 94 that's 15 years before you, so what gives you any position to question my longevity of support? Kidding.. Couldn't give a crap about forum or how long you have enjoyed mma, the point is that you ENJOY MMA, just like me.. just finding the lighter weight classes a bit like filler :P

prodigy9

Waffen said:

prodigy9 said:

Ha I've got it on cassette too, couldn't find it on DVD.

I joined the forum in 09, you joined last week so I don't think you're in a position to question the longevity of my support.

P.S. UFC 1 was 20 years ago. I'm 35.

prodigy9 said:

Ha I've got it on cassette too, couldn't find it on DVD.

I joined the forum in 09, you joined last week so I don't think you're in a position to question the longevity of my support.

P.S. UFC 1 was 20 years ago. I'm 35.

lol, I'm38, and i bought the video off a dodgy mate for 10 quid!! It never came out on dvd.. well not when it was relevant :P when people started scrapping in my local pub, shout's of Kemo, went up lol, well that was in later years, the local landlord of the pub showed these vids on the lock ins.. What got me into mma tbh.. yeah i joined last week, been here from the start.. watched tito rise and fall, watched chuck come and go, watch randy come and come again :P Loved this sport since it had zip interest, no forum, nobody interested.. I joined the sport at 94 that's 15 years before you, so what gives you any position to question my longevity of support? Kidding.. Couldn't give a crap about forum or how long you have enjoyed mma, the point is that you ENJOY MMA, just like me.. just finding the lighter weight classes a bit like filler :P

Haha you've made your first forum friend.
I didn't really get into MMA properly until 05ish. Always watched a few events and knew the big names but my main passion was boxing. Purchased a few UFC DVDS on eBay and they didn't arrive for a few weeks, I moaned so he sent me the ones I ordered plus pretty much every other event ever.made on copy. Been hooked ever since. rarely even watch boxing any more.


I know what you mean but the little guys got to get paid too. Dodson, MM , Beni etc. are too small to win the belt at 135 so I think it's nice to see them fighting on a level playing field.

WarWest

Um

No

They have delivered time and time again

They're here to stay, enjoy

Waffen

nice to know a friend.. and warwest, appreciate your view, but the deliverence is up for question! I'm just saying the top guys at these weights are too damn good.. makes for a decision everytime.. I'll go off and do my research and hopefully come back with some percentages.. could do with some help though.. maybe we could do percentage stoppage for all weight classes, prob be very interesting for everyone on this forum.

SteelerNation43

ive done it for 2011 but not enough interest was shown so i stopped mid 2012