MMA scoring favors wrestling WAY to much...

MIRKO_CRO_COP

Look at the condit fight. Hendricks took him down, ok, but he couldnt do ANYTHING with it. condit kept hitting him and threatening him with submissions. but still the takedowns won him the fight.

that's just ****

condit won that fight.

Yesterdays_Hero

He won the last round and that's it. the others were clearly in favour of Hendricks.

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Yesterdays_Hero said:

He won the last round and that's it. the others were clearly in favour of Hendricks.

i had the first one also for condit tbh

i know it was close, though i would say condit had the edge at the end.

the_enigma

getting taken down doesn't win fights either. Condit only won rd 3. Johny was winning the standup and being the aggressor with the takedowns in the first two rounds.

classicboxer

I thought Condit won, but it was close. No complaints either way.

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classicboxer said:

I thought Condit won, but it was close. No complaints either way.

same here man

it was really close

and i'm not butthurt cause i like hendricks and think he could beat grease and deserves the shot..

but that's just something that i realized in the scoring (that has to be overthought either way)

SolidStateLogic

Would agree but Hendricks was winning the stand up, pace and aggression in the first two rounds.

ultimatefightingchamp

Hendricks 29-28 and I could even make a case for a 30-27. No way Condit won

Little_Kang

simple answers for simple minds
Big Rig won
If you want to stop the wrestlers, stop the takedown OR step your bottom game up

GN_FDU

Normally, I favor wrestling, but I think Condit won the fight 29-28. The last two rounds, Condit did more damage from his back and threatened with submissions and sweeps while Hendricks did literally nothing. The first round was close, but I gave it to Hendricks.

Ameriman

Little_Kang said:

simple answers for simple minds
Big Rig won
If you want to stop the wrestlers, stop the takedown OR step your bottom game up

I disagree. Bjj is a style of fighting too. Even if you're unable to submit your opponent but neutralize his offense and mount some of your own, you're winning the fight. Your comment proves that the scoring system favors wrestling too much. Bjj is apparently useless unless you submit a guy.

ultimatefightingchamp

Little_Kang said:

simple answers for simple minds
Big Rig won
If you want to stop the wrestlers, stop the takedown OR step your bottom game up

Agreed

GoToGuy

First round was close, imo, but I gave the fight to Hendricks. Yes, he didn't do much but his ability to control Condit won him that fight. Wish Fightmetrics would get this up to compare. Hopefully Condit fights Diaz again if his diva **** didn't retire, again, lol.

zaksame

I agree if ONLY using the CONDIT fight as an example,that was a clear cut case of Condit badly outscoring Hendrick's.The ONLY thing Hendrick's did was a few solid strikes,nothing more tha ngrazing or misses after that.Hendrick's was far worse than GSP ever is on the TD's,he did absolutely NOTHING at all with the TD's.
One thing to remember however,is when scoring you need to look at every aspect.Sure TD's alone while doing nothing is a weak scoring system,however,you are also controlling the fight,which should factor in heavily on scoring.

I hope EVERYONE who insults GSP,and brags about a future champ in Hendrick's remembers this fight,Hendrick's was TERRIBLE at lay n pray

MilesGun

zaksame said:

I agree if ONLY using the CONDIT fight as an example,that was a clear cut case of Condit badly outscoring Hendrick's.The ONLY thing Hendrick's did was a few solid strikes,nothing more tha ngrazing or misses after that.Hendrick's was far worse than GSP ever is on the TD's,he did absolutely NOTHING at all with the TD's.
One thing to remember however,is when scoring you need to look at every aspect.Sure TD's alone while doing nothing is a weak scoring system,however,you are also controlling the fight,which should factor in heavily on scoring.

I hope EVERYONE who insults GSP,and brags about a future champ in Hendrick's remembers this fight,Hendrick's was TERRIBLE at lay n pray

Can't believe I agree with this guy but its the truth. Even GSP did more with his TDs than Hendricks. Terrible stalling & LnP including running backwards. Carlos Condit should have gotten Hendricks FOTN bonus as well.

MIRKO_CRO_COP

GoToGuy said:

First round was close, imo, but I gave the fight to Hendricks. Yes, he didn't do much but his ability to control Condit won him that fight. Wish Fightmetrics would get this up to compare. Hopefully Condit fights Diaz again if his diva **** didn't retire, again, lol.

control him ? lol
that was my point....he couldnt control him much
condit got back up fast and did more damage from his back while hendricks didnt do much from the top

CarlosBelcher

i scored it 29-28 for condit

Darksjeik

I was leaning towards Condit as well. I honestly think Diaz has a valid point when he says MMA scoring needs to be re-evaluated. Takedowns by them selves earn you way to much credit.

rodrodMMA92

Hendricks won. 1st round was clear. 2nd round was closer but Condit didn't do enough to steal it and the 3rd round was clear for Condit. I thought Hendricks got tired and was holding on in the 3rd.

i_run_this

u bias bro

BruteDion

This problem will never be solved til the scoring system changes

Getting up from a TD should score just as many points as a TD...its so stupid that the system and its judges don't all think this way...in boxing does a counter right not score as much as a regular str8 right?

Getting up is also controlling where the fight takes place does it not?

Of they cant take away controlling as a form of earning points...I would be for that...why do we ever score that...this is a fight is it not?...what is the point of a fight...is it to win or control?

I promise you and I know everyone would agree...if control is taken out as a way to score we will see a lot more finishes in MMA...on the back side it could lead to more piddy pat strikers....but i dont mind seeing that at all really

Bubba_Pilks

It was a very tough fight to call. When I watched it the first time I gave it to Condit. Second time I gave it to Hendricks. Great Fight.

PunchBag

i felt like condit won his fight with hendricks but it was razor close so cant really argue to much. Diaz did better than i thought he would but he certainly lost his fight.


i also thoguht ring won his fight..

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i_run_this said:

u bias bro

nah son, just my honest opinion

edh1

condit won 29-28,what a fight though

ijosef

29-28 for Henricks was the correct call and I'm glad the judges got it right. Remember - striking, grappling, aggression, and octagon control. It's not just the takedowns, but the latter two of the "big four" judging criteria. If you wanted Condit to win that fight, the rules need to be changed. True, Condit has a great bottom game and a very offensive guard. However, he couldn't do anything at all to stop the takedowns.

Under the current judging/scoring system, Hendricks was the clear winner.

GN_FDU

BruteDion said:

Getting up from a TD should score just as many points as a TD...its so stupid that the system and its judges don't all think this way...in boxing does a counter right not score as much as a regular str8 right?

No, it should not. A takedown in wrestling is worth two points. Getting up after getting taken down is worth one point.

I'd say octagon control was even. Hendricks was controlling when to take Condit down, but as soon as the fight got there, Condit definitely controlled the fight and got it back to their feet. Is that not control as well?

I still think Condit should have won that fight. I'll have to watch it again to see if I'm missing something. I have nothing against Hendricks. I like Hendricks so don't think I'm being biased. I usually find myself defending wrestlers since I am a wrestler myself and think takedowns aren't given enough credit by the fans. Though Hendricks did NOTHING from the takedowns. He didn't control Condit on the ground one bit nor did he land anything substantial. I'll have to watch the fight again.

carnages41

great thread

Junglebird

PEople supporting Condit seem to have intelligent discussions as to why he could have won.

Those saying rig won are just saying. 'Johnny won'

Either way Condit it's getting the most praise of any fighter that night.

Take downs are scored too high. But that has been an issue forever, Condit shoulda tried to stop them instead of embarrassing Johnny s grOund game

Hydrogen

JimmyKruger

Condit won the fight IMO.

The scoring system is massively biased toward wrestling for an unknown reason. A TD should count for nothing at all unless it is used to attack successfully.

A TD on its own with no subsequent control or damaged should not be worth any more than a typical jab.