Should fighters be allowed to throw punches after the bell as long as they don't land, or intend to?

KeemKeem Posts: 6,862Free
edited March 2013 in UFC
After watching UFC 158 post fight it seems Dana's stance on shots thrown after the bell is significantly more laxed than it was at UFC 113 apparently because the actual shots thrown after the bell at UFC 158 didn't land (regardless of the fact that w/o the ref the 1st certainly would of). I've yet to hear from the commission about their take on the situation, or the fighter potentially assaulted after the bell, but I'm still searching.

Now I'm sure emotions can run high, but there should be a certain level of self control and professionalism that should come along with being a professional athlete on that big of a platform/promotion, along with certain kinds of consequences after to prevent the actions from reoccuring; Not only with the fighter in question, but other fighters so the actions doesn't appear tolerable under circumstances and preference.

Now people in general deserve second chances, but also a lesson to be learned w/ it imo, not just a slap on the wrist and/or less. How do you guys feel about it and why? I don't believe this is something that should just be swept under the rug, especially if the issue happens again and the problem of throwing after a bell becomes punishable upon preference.

Either thrown after the bell is bad, or actually shots landing after the bell is bad. If the latter choice of action is a punishable offense, should the earliest be condoned? What degree of action, or courses of action should be taken after the earliest in your opinion?
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Should fighters be allowed to throw punches after the bell as long as they don't land?

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  • KeemKeem Posts: 6,862Free
    No, throwing after the bell is attempting assualt, you have 5 minutes in a round to act like you want to throw if you don't intend to land. Point deduction, or Suspension is warranted
    I forgot to include "Fines" as a course of action after
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    Megumi Fuji

    I am an idiot for thinking GSP could finish the P4P GOAT Nick Diaz within 5 rounds

    Greg - "It's, about.. WAR! You understand me?! You bounce, you move and you punish this kid. This is 5 minutes of war, now you go and give it to me!"
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  • carnages41carnages41 Posts: 36,269Free
    Yes, because intent has to be taken into consideration. No damage, no point/suspension
    Of course it should be allowed, it is basically taunting.....which is also allowed
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  • SteelerNation43SteelerNation43 Posts: 12,654Free
    lol no it shouldn't be allowed and there should be fines and suspensions....

    However, there's a big difference between what Diaz did and what Daley did. Don't think i need to go into detail tbh.
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  • TahuneTahune Posts: 1,879Free
    Yes, because intent has to be taken into consideration. No damage, no point/suspension
    How often do we see fighters pull short on punches and kicks once the bell sounds?
    A lot of the time its just incidental.

    In a related instance (sort of)

    the Arlovski v Fatty Boombah fight @ WSOF2 I'm pretty sure Andrei got dropped by a massive bomb at 5:03 in the first ( mind you the bell hadn't gone yet)
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  • KeemKeem Posts: 6,862Free
    No, throwing after the bell is attempting assualt, you have 5 minutes in a round to act like you want to throw if you don't intend to land. Point deduction, or Suspension is warranted

    Of course it should be allowed, it is basically taunting.....which is also allowed

    but inside the 5 minute round. Break means break; stop and go to your corner
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    Megumi Fuji

    I am an idiot for thinking GSP could finish the P4P GOAT Nick Diaz within 5 rounds

    Greg - "It's, about.. WAR! You understand me?! You bounce, you move and you punish this kid. This is 5 minutes of war, now you go and give it to me!"
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  • MachidaPowerMachidaPower Serial Chillin.Posts: 1,963Free
    Not sure, on one hand every fighter shouldn't just do it because it's not considered taboo, but if nothing came of it then no big deal. Maybe a point, Maybe a suspension
    two of them are the same ... a point or a suspension. i just chose one of those.
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  • shark26shark26 Posts: 109Free
    Of Coarse they should NOT be allowed ... its pathetic to say the least ... its supposed to be about class ... Diaz couldnt do crap , except when gsp lets up ... whats that say about you ....

    Dana needs to grow a pair and tell Diaz where to go

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  • waikruwaikru UFC PresidentPosts: 10,003Free
    I prefer to outline my opinion in my own words..
    You can't penalize somebody for attempting to foul. You can only penalize somebody for committing a foul.
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  • IdentityIdentity Posts: 6,959Free
    If it was accidentall then no worries but things like Daley did to Kos <that was just crazy
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  • IdentityIdentity Posts: 6,959Free
    PATSTER said:

    He didn't ****ing hit him.

    But he had naughty intentions. tut tut
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  • WarWestWarWest Órale VatoPosts: 33,733Free
    I prefer to outline my opinion in my own words..
    waikru said:

    You can't penalize somebody for attempting to foul. You can only penalize somebody for committing a foul.

    This ^^^
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  • IdentityIdentity Posts: 6,959Free
    Thats like intending to shoot someone then missing then just walking away like 'oh well'.
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  • IdentityIdentity Posts: 6,959Free
    Look when Daley hit kos after the fight lets say he swung and missed, surely somethin would have to of been done.
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  • KeemKeem Posts: 6,862Free
    No, throwing after the bell is attempting assualt, you have 5 minutes in a round to act like you want to throw if you don't intend to land. Point deduction, or Suspension is warranted
    PATSTER said:

    Identity said:

    Thats like intending to shoot someone then missing then just walking away like 'oh well'.

    No it's not. This is a sport that has defined rules that are meant to be followed. There is no punishment for intentions. ****, sometimes they don't even penalize guys who cheat. (GSP vs. Penn)

    The justice system is completely different. Comparing a sport with attempted murder is beyond stupid.
    It's not

    GSP and Penn went to court and now cutman from the comission handle damage between rounds. Litigation was the result despite GSP's cornerman's intentions.
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    Megumi Fuji

    I am an idiot for thinking GSP could finish the P4P GOAT Nick Diaz within 5 rounds

    Greg - "It's, about.. WAR! You understand me?! You bounce, you move and you punish this kid. This is 5 minutes of war, now you go and give it to me!"
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  • carnages41carnages41 Posts: 36,269Free
    Yes, because intent has to be taken into consideration. No damage, no point/suspension
    Yeah but Daley is black and therefore cannot be trusted
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  • KeemKeem Posts: 6,862Free
    No, throwing after the bell is attempting assualt, you have 5 minutes in a round to act like you want to throw if you don't intend to land. Point deduction, or Suspension is warranted

    Yeah but Daley is black and therefore cannot be trusted

    keep it classy please
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    Megumi Fuji

    I am an idiot for thinking GSP could finish the P4P GOAT Nick Diaz within 5 rounds

    Greg - "It's, about.. WAR! You understand me?! You bounce, you move and you punish this kid. This is 5 minutes of war, now you go and give it to me!"
    Condit- *Aye aye coach; say no more*
  • carnages41carnages41 Posts: 36,269Free
    Yes, because intent has to be taken into consideration. No damage, no point/suspension
    lol coming from a guy who has a pimp named slickback as his Av
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  • IdentityIdentity Posts: 6,959Free

    Yeah but Daley is black and therefore cannot be trusted

    :o
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  • KeemKeem Posts: 6,862Free
    No, throwing after the bell is attempting assualt, you have 5 minutes in a round to act like you want to throw if you don't intend to land. Point deduction, or Suspension is warranted
    PATSTER said:

    Daley connected. rewatch the tape.

    You could argue Diaz was shadow boxing off of his back.

    I doubt that would give him any grace from an "Attempted Assault" claim
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    Megumi Fuji

    I am an idiot for thinking GSP could finish the P4P GOAT Nick Diaz within 5 rounds

    Greg - "It's, about.. WAR! You understand me?! You bounce, you move and you punish this kid. This is 5 minutes of war, now you go and give it to me!"
    Condit- *Aye aye coach; say no more*
  • KeemKeem Posts: 6,862Free
    No, throwing after the bell is attempting assualt, you have 5 minutes in a round to act like you want to throw if you don't intend to land. Point deduction, or Suspension is warranted

    lol coming from a guy who has a pimp named slickback as his Av

    I was refering to the comment, not the AV
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    Megumi Fuji

    I am an idiot for thinking GSP could finish the P4P GOAT Nick Diaz within 5 rounds

    Greg - "It's, about.. WAR! You understand me?! You bounce, you move and you punish this kid. This is 5 minutes of war, now you go and give it to me!"
    Condit- *Aye aye coach; say no more*
  • KeemKeem Posts: 6,862Free
    No, throwing after the bell is attempting assualt, you have 5 minutes in a round to act like you want to throw if you don't intend to land. Point deduction, or Suspension is warranted

    lol coming from a guy who has a pimp named slickback as his Av

    You prefer if I had uncle rukus or catcher freeman?

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    Megumi Fuji

    I am an idiot for thinking GSP could finish the P4P GOAT Nick Diaz within 5 rounds

    Greg - "It's, about.. WAR! You understand me?! You bounce, you move and you punish this kid. This is 5 minutes of war, now you go and give it to me!"
    Condit- *Aye aye coach; say no more*
  • KeemKeem Posts: 6,862Free
    No, throwing after the bell is attempting assualt, you have 5 minutes in a round to act like you want to throw if you don't intend to land. Point deduction, or Suspension is warranted
    PATSTER said:

    He didn't ****ing hit him.

    only because of the ref
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    Megumi Fuji

    I am an idiot for thinking GSP could finish the P4P GOAT Nick Diaz within 5 rounds

    Greg - "It's, about.. WAR! You understand me?! You bounce, you move and you punish this kid. This is 5 minutes of war, now you go and give it to me!"
    Condit- *Aye aye coach; say no more*
  • IdentityIdentity Posts: 6,959Free
    Only when against gsp should you be able to punch after the bell
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  • MaximumBobMaximumBob Posts: 1,288Free
    I prefer to outline my opinion in my own words..
    Keem said:

    PATSTER said:

    Daley connected. rewatch the tape.

    You could argue Diaz was shadow boxing off of his back.

    I doubt that would give him any grace from an "Attempted Assault" claim

    You need to learn the difference between a love tap, a slap, and a full blooded shot.

    Diaz was just showing GSP, he cared..... >:D<
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  • KeemKeem Posts: 6,862Free
    No, throwing after the bell is attempting assualt, you have 5 minutes in a round to act like you want to throw if you don't intend to land. Point deduction, or Suspension is warranted

    Keem said:

    PATSTER said:

    Daley connected. rewatch the tape.

    You could argue Diaz was shadow boxing off of his back.

    I doubt that would give him any grace from an "Attempted Assault" claim

    You need to learn the difference between a love tap, a slap, and a full blooded shot.

    Diaz was just showing GSP, he cared..... >:D<
    That's not how you show affection; throwing a punch while someone's back it turned after the bell, or waiting for the ref to stop your guy after the bell so you can take swing at him.
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    Megumi Fuji

    I am an idiot for thinking GSP could finish the P4P GOAT Nick Diaz within 5 rounds

    Greg - "It's, about.. WAR! You understand me?! You bounce, you move and you punish this kid. This is 5 minutes of war, now you go and give it to me!"
    Condit- *Aye aye coach; say no more*
  • KeemKeem Posts: 6,862Free
    No, throwing after the bell is attempting assualt, you have 5 minutes in a round to act like you want to throw if you don't intend to land. Point deduction, or Suspension is warranted
    PATSTER said:

    Keem said:

    Keem said:

    PATSTER said:

    Daley connected. rewatch the tape.

    You could argue Diaz was shadow boxing off of his back.

    I doubt that would give him any grace from an "Attempted Assault" claim

    You need to learn the difference between a love tap, a slap, and a full blooded shot.

    Diaz was just showing GSP, he cared..... >:D<
    That's not how you show affection; throwing a punch while someone's back it turned after the bell, or waiting for the ref to stop your guy after the bell so you can take swing at him.
    He

    Didn't

    Hit

    Him

    That doesn't mean he didn't do wrong
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    Megumi Fuji

    I am an idiot for thinking GSP could finish the P4P GOAT Nick Diaz within 5 rounds

    Greg - "It's, about.. WAR! You understand me?! You bounce, you move and you punish this kid. This is 5 minutes of war, now you go and give it to me!"
    Condit- *Aye aye coach; say no more*
  • carnages41carnages41 Posts: 36,269Free
    Yes, because intent has to be taken into consideration. No damage, no point/suspension
    Diaz has never done wrong, his soul is sacred
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  • KeemKeem Posts: 6,862Free
    No, throwing after the bell is attempting assualt, you have 5 minutes in a round to act like you want to throw if you don't intend to land. Point deduction, or Suspension is warranted

    Diaz has never done wrong, his soul is sacred

    I don't want this to be a Nick bash thread, but more everyone's take on what he did and if it should be tolerated from here on out.

    No ones perfect, I get it
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    Megumi Fuji

    I am an idiot for thinking GSP could finish the P4P GOAT Nick Diaz within 5 rounds

    Greg - "It's, about.. WAR! You understand me?! You bounce, you move and you punish this kid. This is 5 minutes of war, now you go and give it to me!"
    Condit- *Aye aye coach; say no more*
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