"Don't complain after you sign the deal"

dirtyNYC17dirtyNYC17 Posts: 412Free
edited June 2013 in UFC
Basing off of what Tim Kennedy said, some UFC fighters are broke because of the high ammount of percentage they have to give away to their camp. 13% gym fees, 10% manager, 10% coach, and 8% camp lodging (whatever that is). Thats 41% of their total earnings they won`t get! That`s just my opinion. I`m sure others will disagree. Anyways Tim`s interview is right here.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1685107-tim-kennedy-good-thing-i-have-another-job-because-the-ufc-doesnt-pay-well

and here`s what Travis Browne had to say
http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/06/ufcs-travis-browne-on-pay-disputes-dont-complain-after-you-sign-the-deal

Certainly this is a tough business to make $$ in. I do however believe the minimum 8k should be higher

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  • jdukjduk Posts: 8,284Free
    Camp lodging is basically rent for training camp accomodation, some fighters don't stay at home for camp.

    If a UFC fighter wants to get paid well, he has to win and finish his fights. The incentives are there to promote entertaining fights. The 8k I think is fair. Say you have a 4 month training camp leading up to the fight. Thats $2000 a month, seems reasonable to me
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  • Solid_SnakeSolid_Snake Posts: 11,789Moderator, Ultimate
    Yes the UFC needs to pay more
    If you don't pay your athletes more, you're not going to be able to bring in and/or keep the best fighters around. The UFC is just opening the door for Bellator to take over.
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  • CaptainSupermanCaptainSuperman Posts: 10,101Free
    41% going to camp is too much
    Oh god. UFC pays the most compared to any other type of combat sport, at the lowest level. Meaning, crappy fighters in UFC make more than their crappy counterparts in, say, Bellator, and boxing promotions everywhere.

    BUT

    The UFC is the only one who gets **** on? The UFC should raise their pay for those fighters even higher?

    The UFC isn't laughing it's way to the bank based on fighers like Kennedy, Volkmann, or any other jabroni who couldn't make it in the UFC and turns around and immediately crys about pay.
  • jdukjduk Posts: 8,284Free
    @BJJNoob is 2,000$ a month enough to live on?
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  • dirtyNYC17dirtyNYC17 Posts: 412Free
    41% going to camp is too much
    I wonder if he was just talking about what the UFC company will pay him? Lets not forget fighters have sponsors
  • CaptainSupermanCaptainSuperman Posts: 10,101Free
    41% going to camp is too much

    If you don't pay your athletes more, you're not going to be able to bring in and/or keep the best fighters around. The UFC is just opening the door for Bellator to take over.

    So you believe there is room for someone, anyone, to pay these fighters more, and still make a profit?

    If so, then how come Viacom, with all of it's money, hasn't jumped to it? It all of these fighters truly are worth more than they say they are, and if the UFC is "robbing" these guys and making "millions" off of them, sure someone can come in and afford to pay more but walk away with less profit than the UFC
  • Solid_SnakeSolid_Snake Posts: 11,789Moderator, Ultimate
    Yes the UFC needs to pay more

    If you don't pay your athletes more, you're not going to be able to bring in and/or keep the best fighters around. The UFC is just opening the door for Bellator to take over.

    So you believe there is room for someone, anyone, to pay these fighters more, and still make a profit?

    If so, then how come Viacom, with all of it's money, hasn't jumped to it? It all of these fighters truly are worth more than they say they are, and if the UFC is "robbing" these guys and making "millions" off of them, sure someone can come in and afford to pay more but walk away with less profit than the UFC
    All I'm saying is that football players today are way better then they were when they had to work 2 jobs. And if you pay certain fighters a lot more than others, then you are kind of manipulating what each fighter can do. And I'm sure Daddy Dana can cut a million or 2 from his salary and help out the guys that make him rich.
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  • dirtyNYC17dirtyNYC17 Posts: 412Free
    41% going to camp is too much
    jduk said:

    @BJJNoob is 2,000$ a month enough to live on?

    It certainly is. Thing is though if you`re putting your body through rigorous training, even if you suck, you should be getting more than 2k a month
  • jdukjduk Posts: 8,284Free
    problem is, fighting is something a lot of people do, and you only need 4 decent fights at the top of the card, on a free event maybe 2. That makes the rest of the fighters pretty interchangeable and disposable, with little to no value to the company, unless they make themselves valuable by winning big
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  • CaptainSupermanCaptainSuperman Posts: 10,101Free
    41% going to camp is too much

    If you don't pay your athletes more, you're not going to be able to bring in and/or keep the best fighters around. The UFC is just opening the door for Bellator to take over.

    So you believe there is room for someone, anyone, to pay these fighters more, and still make a profit?

    If so, then how come Viacom, with all of it's money, hasn't jumped to it? It all of these fighters truly are worth more than they say they are, and if the UFC is "robbing" these guys and making "millions" off of them, sure someone can come in and afford to pay more but walk away with less profit than the UFC
    All I'm saying is that football players today are way better then they were when they had to work 2 jobs. And if you pay certain fighters a lot more than others, then you are kind of manipulating what each fighter can do. And I'm sure Daddy Dana can cut a million or 2 from his salary and help out the guys that make him rich.
    But that's not how business works. It's not his job to make sure everyone is rich. What you are suggesting is that the lower card fighters get something for nothing. For working for a company that happens to have a lot lot lot of money. If I were to clean toilets at NASA, that doesn't entitle me to more money than what a janitor deserves.

    Football players are payed a **** ton because the market allows it. If they couldn't fork out millions upon millions each year for their starting quarterback, they wouldn't do it. But they can because of all the revenue they get, which is much much much much more than the UFC.

    And paying more to your employees to draw in more? I mean, I get it, but if you're coming into the sport for just the money, then you're quite possibly a fool. I've seen fighters, well, former, bitter UFC employees, not being able to provide support for their families and such. And I've seen this quote thrown out there in response.

    "Responsible fathers take jobs that pay for themselves and their family at a comfortable level. Leave the starving dreams for when you are single or with a woman who is willing to starve with you."

    That is what this was all about in the beginning, right? Dreams. You fought because it was your passion or hobby. There was a time when guys were doing this in local high school gyms for free. I think that fact that it's been able to turn into a business at all is amazing. But because of it's format, MMA, nor the UFC, will ever reach the levels of the NFL, MLB, NBA, or even NHL. They just don't compare. And that is the problem, that people will TRY to compare.
  • jdukjduk Posts: 8,284Free
    Looks like people need to start finishing fights again then
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  • CaptainSupermanCaptainSuperman Posts: 10,101Free
    41% going to camp is too much

    jduk said:

    @BJJNoob is 2,000$ a month enough to live on?

    It certainly is. Thing is though if you`re putting your body through rigorous training, even if you suck, you should be getting more than 2k a month
    But the thing it, not everyone trains equally. You can't pay people based on their time spent in training camp. Instead, you reward them for winning. Look at GSP. Trains extremely hard, has some of the best people training him, feeding him, pampering him everything. You can bet it's expensive as **** for him, but it all pays off and he makes a TON of money and can afford to pay them and still have comfortable living arrangements
  • classicboxerclassicboxer Posts: 11,822Free

    Oh god. UFC pays the most compared to any other type of combat sport, at the lowest level. Meaning, crappy fighters in UFC make more than their crappy counterparts in, say, Bellator, and boxing promotions everywhere.

    BUT

    The UFC is the only one who gets **** on? The UFC should raise their pay for those fighters even higher?

    The UFC isn't laughing it's way to the bank based on fighers like Kennedy, Volkmann, or any other jabroni who couldn't make it in the UFC and turns around and immediately crys about pay.

    Every UFC event is either pay per view, network TV prime time, or cable prime time. You can't compare that to King of the Cage at the local casino. Even former UFC champions and top contenders complain about pay.
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  • dirtyNYC17dirtyNYC17 Posts: 412Free
    41% going to camp is too much

    $2000 a month isn't **** to live off of ... All of these fighters seem to have high maintainence girlfriends/wives and a billion kids. $2000 a month sucks when you're SINGLE!

    It might be fine when you are in your early early 20s when you're just happy to be making money and exploring the freedom of being an adult. But you simply will not be building a future on that pay.

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  • dirtyNYC17dirtyNYC17 Posts: 412Free
    41% going to camp is too much

    jduk said:

    @BJJNoob is 2,000$ a month enough to live on?

    It certainly is. Thing is though if you`re putting your body through rigorous training, even if you suck, you should be getting more than 2k a month
    But the thing it, not everyone trains equally. You can't pay people based on their time spent in training camp. Instead, you reward them for winning. Look at GSP. Trains extremely hard, has some of the best people training him, feeding him, pampering him everything. You can bet it's expensive as **** for him, but it all pays off and he makes a TON of money and can afford to pay them and still have comfortable living arrangements
    Look at MAYWEATHER. Trains extremely hard, has some of the best people training him, feeding him, pampering him everything. You can bet it's expensive as **** for him, but it all pays off and he makes a TON of money and can afford to pay them and still have comfortable living arrangements
  • Solid_SnakeSolid_Snake Posts: 11,789Moderator, Ultimate
    Yes the UFC needs to pay more

    If you don't pay your athletes more, you're not going to be able to bring in and/or keep the best fighters around. The UFC is just opening the door for Bellator to take over.

    So you believe there is room for someone, anyone, to pay these fighters more, and still make a profit?

    If so, then how come Viacom, with all of it's money, hasn't jumped to it? It all of these fighters truly are worth more than they say they are, and if the UFC is "robbing" these guys and making "millions" off of them, sure someone can come in and afford to pay more but walk away with less profit than the UFC
    All I'm saying is that football players today are way better then they were when they had to work 2 jobs. And if you pay certain fighters a lot more than others, then you are kind of manipulating what each fighter can do. And I'm sure Daddy Dana can cut a million or 2 from his salary and help out the guys that make him rich.
    But that's not how business works. It's not his job to make sure everyone is rich. What you are suggesting is that the lower card fighters get something for nothing. For working for a company that happens to have a lot lot lot of money. If I were to clean toilets at NASA, that doesn't entitle me to more money than what a janitor deserves.

    Football players are payed a **** ton because the market allows it. If they couldn't fork out millions upon millions each year for their starting quarterback, they wouldn't do it. But they can because of all the revenue they get, which is much much much much more than the UFC.

    And paying more to your employees to draw in more? I mean, I get it, but if you're coming into the sport for just the money, then you're quite possibly a fool. I've seen fighters, well, former, bitter UFC employees, not being able to provide support for their families and such. And I've seen this quote thrown out there in response.

    "Responsible fathers take jobs that pay for themselves and their family at a comfortable level. Leave the starving dreams for when you are single or with a woman who is willing to starve with you."

    That is what this was all about in the beginning, right? Dreams. You fought because it was your passion or hobby. There was a time when guys were doing this in local high school gyms for free. I think that fact that it's been able to turn into a business at all is amazing. But because of it's format, MMA, nor the UFC, will ever reach the levels of the NFL, MLB, NBA, or even NHL. They just don't compare. And that is the problem, that people will TRY to compare.
    Yes, it is a business, and if you don't give people an incentive to fight, then you won't be bringing in the best talent pool possible. I didn't say make them rich, but $2,000 is unacceptable for a professional athlete.

    The WWE has an identical business model and pays the "jobbers" anywhere from 60-200 thousand a year, at least 87% more then what Kennedy is living off of, if he fights 4 times a year.

    It's not all about money, but not all of these guys can fight for peanuts. Underpaying these guys show a lack of respect for the fighters and a lack of business and entertainment knowledge.
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  • CaptainSupermanCaptainSuperman Posts: 10,101Free
    41% going to camp is too much

    Oh god. UFC pays the most compared to any other type of combat sport, at the lowest level. Meaning, crappy fighters in UFC make more than their crappy counterparts in, say, Bellator, and boxing promotions everywhere.

    BUT

    The UFC is the only one who gets **** on? The UFC should raise their pay for those fighters even higher?

    The UFC isn't laughing it's way to the bank based on fighers like Kennedy, Volkmann, or any other jabroni who couldn't make it in the UFC and turns around and immediately crys about pay.

    Every UFC event is either pay per view, network TV prime time, or cable prime time. You can't compare that to King of the Cage at the local casino. Even former UFC champions and top contenders complain about pay.
    Okay, but what's the point of complaining? They have no other business model out there to compare to, to say that they deserve more. And when I made that statement, I was really referencing the other big name brands like Bellator, OneFC, WSOF. Go look at Andrei Arlovski's last UFC fight and what he made compared to what he has made in WSOF.

    And those former champions and whatnot are just mad that they were along for the ride at on the way up, rather than at the top. Fighter pay from back then when say, Tito, Ken, Frye, and Randy were fighting, has increased substantially because of what? Growth. The sport grew. The business grew. The revenue grew. The expenses grew. The profit grew
  • CaptainSupermanCaptainSuperman Posts: 10,101Free
    41% going to camp is too much

    jduk said:

    @BJJNoob is 2,000$ a month enough to live on?

    It certainly is. Thing is though if you`re putting your body through rigorous training, even if you suck, you should be getting more than 2k a month
    But the thing it, not everyone trains equally. You can't pay people based on their time spent in training camp. Instead, you reward them for winning. Look at GSP. Trains extremely hard, has some of the best people training him, feeding him, pampering him everything. You can bet it's expensive as **** for him, but it all pays off and he makes a TON of money and can afford to pay them and still have comfortable living arrangements
    Look at MAYWEATHER. Trains extremely hard, has some of the best people training him, feeding him, pampering him everything. You can bet it's expensive as **** for him, but it all pays off and he makes a TON of money and can afford to pay them and still have comfortable living arrangements
    Mayweather is the one case in combat sports that is unlike any other. He is not the rule, but an exception.
  • dirtyNYC17dirtyNYC17 Posts: 412Free
    41% going to camp is too much

    jduk said:

    @BJJNoob is 2,000$ a month enough to live on?

    It certainly is. Thing is though if you`re putting your body through rigorous training, even if you suck, you should be getting more than 2k a month
    But the thing it, not everyone trains equally. You can't pay people based on their time spent in training camp. Instead, you reward them for winning. Look at GSP. Trains extremely hard, has some of the best people training him, feeding him, pampering him everything. You can bet it's expensive as **** for him, but it all pays off and he makes a TON of money and can afford to pay them and still have comfortable living arrangements
    Look at MAYWEATHER. Trains extremely hard, has some of the best people training him, feeding him, pampering him everything. You can bet it's expensive as **** for him, but it all pays off and he makes a TON of money and can afford to pay them and still have comfortable living arrangements
    Mayweather is the one case in combat sports that is unlike any other. He is not the rule, but an exception.
    True but it`s BS that he makes almost 10x what Anderson makes in a fight
  • Solid_SnakeSolid_Snake Posts: 11,789Moderator, Ultimate
    Yes the UFC needs to pay more

    jduk said:

    @BJJNoob is 2,000$ a month enough to live on?

    It certainly is. Thing is though if you`re putting your body through rigorous training, even if you suck, you should be getting more than 2k a month
    But the thing it, not everyone trains equally. You can't pay people based on their time spent in training camp. Instead, you reward them for winning. Look at GSP. Trains extremely hard, has some of the best people training him, feeding him, pampering him everything. You can bet it's expensive as **** for him, but it all pays off and he makes a TON of money and can afford to pay them and still have comfortable living arrangements
    Look at MAYWEATHER. Trains extremely hard, has some of the best people training him, feeding him, pampering him everything. You can bet it's expensive as **** for him, but it all pays off and he makes a TON of money and can afford to pay them and still have comfortable living arrangements
    Mayweather is the one case in combat sports that is unlike any other. He is not the rule, but an exception.
    True but it`s BS that he makes almost 10x what Anderson makes in a fight
    I think they lie about his numbers. Just last year he was on ESPN because he had to sell a car to make a house payment, and he had one of his gyms foreclosed do to lack of payments.
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  • jdukjduk Posts: 8,284Free

    jduk said:

    @BJJNoob is 2,000$ a month enough to live on?

    It certainly is. Thing is though if you`re putting your body through rigorous training, even if you suck, you should be getting more than 2k a month
    But the thing it, not everyone trains equally. You can't pay people based on their time spent in training camp. Instead, you reward them for winning. Look at GSP. Trains extremely hard, has some of the best people training him, feeding him, pampering him everything. You can bet it's expensive as **** for him, but it all pays off and he makes a TON of money and can afford to pay them and still have comfortable living arrangements
    Look at MAYWEATHER. Trains extremely hard, has some of the best people training him, feeding him, pampering him everything. You can bet it's expensive as **** for him, but it all pays off and he makes a TON of money and can afford to pay them and still have comfortable living arrangements
    Mayweather is the one case in combat sports that is unlike any other. He is not the rule, but an exception.
    True but it`s BS that he makes almost 10x what Anderson makes in a fight
    He has other investments in a lot of different things. Smart man
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  • CaptainSupermanCaptainSuperman Posts: 10,101Free
    edited June 2013
    41% going to camp is too much

    If you don't pay your athletes more, you're not going to be able to bring in and/or keep the best fighters around. The UFC is just opening the door for Bellator to take over.

    So you believe there is room for someone, anyone, to pay these fighters more, and still make a profit?

    If so, then how come Viacom, with all of it's money, hasn't jumped to it? It all of these fighters truly are worth more than they say they are, and if the UFC is "robbing" these guys and making "millions" off of them, sure someone can come in and afford to pay more but walk away with less profit than the UFC
    All I'm saying is that football players today are way better then they were when they had to work 2 jobs. And if you pay certain fighters a lot more than others, then you are kind of manipulating what each fighter can do. And I'm sure Daddy Dana can cut a million or 2 from his salary and help out the guys that make him rich.
    But that's not how business works. It's not his job to make sure everyone is rich. What you are suggesting is that the lower card fighters get something for nothing. For working for a company that happens to have a lot lot lot of money. If I were to clean toilets at NASA, that doesn't entitle me to more money than what a janitor deserves.

    Football players are payed a **** ton because the market allows it. If they couldn't fork out millions upon millions each year for their starting quarterback, they wouldn't do it. But they can because of all the revenue they get, which is much much much much more than the UFC.

    And paying more to your employees to draw in more? I mean, I get it, but if you're coming into the sport for just the money, then you're quite possibly a fool. I've seen fighters, well, former, bitter UFC employees, not being able to provide support for their families and such. And I've seen this quote thrown out there in response.

    "Responsible fathers take jobs that pay for themselves and their family at a comfortable level. Leave the starving dreams for when you are single or with a woman who is willing to starve with you."

    That is what this was all about in the beginning, right? Dreams. You fought because it was your passion or hobby. There was a time when guys were doing this in local high school gyms for free. I think that fact that it's been able to turn into a business at all is amazing. But because of it's format, MMA, nor the UFC, will ever reach the levels of the NFL, MLB, NBA, or even NHL. They just don't compare. And that is the problem, that people will TRY to compare.
    Yes, it is a business, and if you don't give people an incentive to fight, then you won't be bringing in the best talent pool possible. I didn't say make them rich, but $2,000 is unacceptable for a professional athlete.

    The WWE has an identical business model and pays the "jobbers" anywhere from 60-200 thousand a year, at least 87% more then what Kennedy is living off of, if he fights 4 times a year.

    It's not all about money, but not all of these guys can fight for peanuts. Underpaying these guys show a lack of respect for the fighters and a lack of business and entertainment knowledge.
    But WWE Superstars are on the road for the majority of the year, they are payed accordingly.

    I see what you're getting at, but here's my problem with it. If I'm a fighter who has skill and am looking at the UFC, I'm not looking at what the bottom dwellers are making, I'm looking at what the big dogs are making. If they were given the opportunity to make what they do, surely I can be given the same opportunities, right? But the catch is, I have to be good. There aren't enough people who combined are paying 6K to watch Joe Blow on the undercard. But there are, however, many people each and every event who shell out thousands of dollars to get cage side seats to watch Silva, GSP, Jones, and Velasquez. They make what they make because they earned it. That is the incentive. There shouldn't be incentive to make a career out of being a can or a gatekeeper.
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  • dirtyNYC17dirtyNYC17 Posts: 412Free
    41% going to camp is too much

    jduk said:

    @BJJNoob is 2,000$ a month enough to live on?

    It certainly is. Thing is though if you`re putting your body through rigorous training, even if you suck, you should be getting more than 2k a month
    But the thing it, not everyone trains equally. You can't pay people based on their time spent in training camp. Instead, you reward them for winning. Look at GSP. Trains extremely hard, has some of the best people training him, feeding him, pampering him everything. You can bet it's expensive as **** for him, but it all pays off and he makes a TON of money and can afford to pay them and still have comfortable living arrangements
    Look at MAYWEATHER. Trains extremely hard, has some of the best people training him, feeding him, pampering him everything. You can bet it's expensive as **** for him, but it all pays off and he makes a TON of money and can afford to pay them and still have comfortable living arrangements
    Mayweather is the one case in combat sports that is unlike any other. He is not the rule, but an exception.
    True but it`s BS that he makes almost 10x what Anderson makes in a fight
    I think they lie about his numbers. Just last year he was on ESPN because he had to sell a car to make a house payment, and he had one of his gyms foreclosed do to lack of payments.
    Who? Silva or Mayweather
  • Solid_SnakeSolid_Snake Posts: 11,789Moderator, Ultimate
    Yes the UFC needs to pay more
    I didn't say they should all make the same salaries, no sport does that. What I'm saying is that $2,000 a fight is garbage, especially from a top promotion. Even ESPN called them out on it. You don't think it's messed up that Joe Blow cold make more at McDonald's then he would fighting for the UFC? A legitimate sport wouldn't have anything like that occur.
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  • dirtyNYC17dirtyNYC17 Posts: 412Free
    41% going to camp is too much

    I didn't say they should all make the same salaries, no sport does that. What I'm saying is that $2,000 a fight is garbage, especially from a top promotion. Even ESPN called them out on it. You don't think it's messed up that Joe Blow cold make more at McDonald's then he would fighting for the UFC? A legitimate sport wouldn't have anything like that occur.

    Minimum just to compete is 8k. That`s not including sponsors, backstage bonuses, fight bonuses (KO of night, Fight of night, et) or a possible win bonus.
  • CaptainSupermanCaptainSuperman Posts: 10,101Free
    edited June 2013
    41% going to camp is too much

    I didn't say they should all make the same salaries, no sport does that. What I'm saying is that $2,000 a fight is garbage, especially from a top promotion. Even ESPN called them out on it. You don't think it's messed up that Joe Blow cold make more at McDonald's then he would fighting for the UFC? A legitimate sport wouldn't have anything like that occur.

    Nobody is making 2K though, the bare minimum for a fight is 6K. Assuming you fight 3 times a year and in the worst case scenario lose those 3 fights, that is 18K. That is more than what the high schoolers make at McD's. If you wanna boil it down to 2K because of expenses and taxes, that's too bad. My bills and expenses aren't factored in when I get my pay check. It's my responsibility to make sure I'm living within my means with what I am making.

    Plus, the losing. That's another thing. Those kids at McD's? They either can or can't flip burgers. You either DO or DON'T have the skills. In combat sports? You MAY be able to beat a guy. You MAY be the better fighter. You MAY have the skills. You MAY have worked harder in training camp, but there is no guarantee that you win. Putting your skills against someone elses is a risk. But that's why winners are rewarded as such.
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  • jdukjduk Posts: 8,284Free

    I didn't say they should all make the same salaries, no sport does that. What I'm saying is that $2,000 a fight is garbage, especially from a top promotion. Even ESPN called them out on it. You don't think it's messed up that Joe Blow cold make more at McDonald's then he would fighting for the UFC? A legitimate sport wouldn't have anything like that occur.

    Minimum just to compete is 8k. That`s not including sponsors, backstage bonuses, fight bonuses (KO of night, Fight of night, et) or a possible win bonus.
    this is exactly my argument. You'll earn as much as you're worth
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  • dirtyNYC17dirtyNYC17 Posts: 412Free
    41% going to camp is too much
    If a low level fighter fights 4 times a year, with the UFC giving them just 8k a fight, that would be 32k a year. Again thats not including sponsors and so on
  • Solid_SnakeSolid_Snake Posts: 11,789Moderator, Ultimate
    Yes the UFC needs to pay more

    I didn't say they should all make the same salaries, no sport does that. What I'm saying is that $2,000 a fight is garbage, especially from a top promotion. Even ESPN called them out on it. You don't think it's messed up that Joe Blow cold make more at McDonald's then he would fighting for the UFC? A legitimate sport wouldn't have anything like that occur.

    Nobody is making 2K though, the bare minimum for a fight is 6K. Assuming you fight 3 times a year and in the worst case scenario lose those 3 fights, that is 18K. That is more than what the high schoolers make at McD's. If you wanna boil it down to 2K because of expenses and taxes, that's too bad. My bills and expenses aren't factored in when I get my pay check. It's my responsibility to make sure I'm living within my means with what I am making.

    Plus, the losing. That's another thing. Those kids at McD's? They either can or can't flip burgers. You either DO or DON'T have the skills. In combat sports? You MAY be able to beat a guy. You MAY be the better fighter. You MAY have the skills. You MAY have worked harder in training camp, but there is no guarantee that you win. Putting your skills against someone elses is a risk. But that's why winners are rewarded as such.
    You're not a pro athlete though. What you call "bills" are actually expenses incurred because of his employer. Either way, it's still poor pay and poor business, no matter how you look at it.
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