How would you rank the top 5 submission artists of all time?

SistiSisti Posts: 5,314Free
1. Big Nog
2. Fedor
3. Royce
4. Sakuraba
5. Rousey
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  • najmanajma Posts: 2,072Free
  • _Finish_Him__Finish_Him_ Posts: 11,608Free
    Sisti said:

    1. Big Nog
    2. Fedor
    3. Royce
    4. Sakuraba
    5. Rousey

    ?
    I Can't find Mir
    I Can't find Maia
    I Can't find Jacare
    I Can't find BJ PENN
    I Can't find Aoki
    I Can' find Werdum
    on your list...


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  • skillandpowerskillandpower Posts: 846Free
    Its funny how how OP mentioned Fedor and Big Nog and didnt mention the guy who sub both: Werdum !!

    No particular order: Mir, Werdum, Maia, Jacare and Big Nog
  • wanderleisilva101wanderleisilva101 Posts: 9,436Free
    Jacare
    Maia
    Werdum
    Nog
    Mir
    Aoki

    There's more you could probably name to
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  • Little_KangLittle_Kang Posts: 17,811Moderator, Ultimate
    No particular order

    Nog
    Saku
    Maia
    Jacare
    Aoki
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  • wesleywells1wesleywells1 TexasPosts: 7,331Free
    Nog
    Maia
    Barnett
    Sakuraba
    Werdum


    Honorable mention to Aoki, Paul Harris, Jacare, Fedor, Mir, and Gonzaga. I can't believe no one said Barnett. He has like 20 submission finishes.
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  • LOL at you putting Rousy in there ahead of people like Maia, Jacare and Werdum. You seriously think she is a better submission artist than those guys. I used to respect your opinions, but now every time I am about to read one of your posts, I will remember this and think don't bother.
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  • jamamawjamamaw Posts: 2,406Free
    Aoki should be on everyone's list
    Anderson silva

    Nick diaz

    Gegard Mousasi

    gilbert melendez

    wanderlei silva

    Tito ortiz

    Rampage jackson

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  • BruteDionBruteDion Posts: 10,499Free
    Based off what they have done in MMA Alone right?

    I base mine off of how many sub wins, how many sub loses, and skill of guys they subbed (anyone can sub a Melvin guillard so that gets little credit)

    If so i got it as this in non-order

    Big Nog: 21 sub wins - 1 sub losses
    Shinya Aoki: 22 sub wins - no sub loses
    Jeremy Horn: 61 sub wins - 8 sub losses
    Frank Mir: 9 sub wins - no sub losses
    Fabrico Werdum: 9 sub wins - no sub losses

    Best if the rest

    Miguel Torres
    BJ Penn
    Fedor
    Matt Hughes
    Rickson Gracie
    Royce Gracie
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  • PunchBagPunchBag Posts: 7,862Free
    edited October 2013
    1.Aoki
    2.Jacare
    3.Maia
    4.Werdum
    5.Big Nog or Barnett
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  • Gabri1985Gabri1985 Manchester, England Posts: 7,695Free
    No Frank Mir Makes
    BruteDion said:

    Based off what they have done in MMA Alone right?

    I base mine off of how many sub wins, how many sub loses, and skill of guys they subbed (anyone can sub a Melvin guillard so that gets little credit)

    If so i got it as this in non-order

    Big Nog: 21 sub wins - 1 sub losses
    Shinya Aoki: 22 sub wins - no sub loses
    Jeremy Horn: 61 sub wins - 8 sub losses
    Frank Mir: 9 sub wins - no sub losses
    Fabrico Werdum: 9 sub wins - no sub losses

    Best if the rest

    Miguel Torres
    BJ Penn
    Fedor
    Matt Hughes
    Rickson Gracie
    Royce Gracie

    So i take it you're forgetting that Big Nog has been submitted Twice???

    Mir has to be top three of anyone's list, Nog tried to submit him while he was half unconscious and ended up with a snapped arm for his troubles.
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  • Little_KangLittle_Kang Posts: 17,811Moderator, Ultimate
    BruteDion said:

    Based off what they have done in MMA Alone right?

    I base mine off of how many sub wins, how many sub loses, and skill of guys they subbed (anyone can sub a Melvin guillard so that gets little credit)

    If so i got it as this in non-order

    Big Nog: 21 sub wins - 1 sub losses
    Shinya Aoki: 22 sub wins - no sub loses
    Jeremy Horn: 61 sub wins - 8 sub losses
    Frank Mir: 9 sub wins - no sub losses
    Fabrico Werdum: 9 sub wins - no sub losses

    Best if the rest

    Miguel Torres
    BJ Penn
    Fedor
    Matt Hughes
    Rickson Gracie
    Royce Gracie

    Babalu had a crazy number of submissions
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  • GalvanikGalvanik Posts: 1,004Free
    1. Jacare
    2. Everybody Else
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  • SistiSisti Posts: 5,314Free

    Sisti said:

    1. Big Nog
    2. Fedor
    3. Royce
    4. Sakuraba
    5. Rousey

    ?
    I Can't find Mir
    I Can't find Maia
    I Can't find Jacare
    I Can't find BJ PENN
    I Can't find Aoki
    I Can' find Werdum
    on your list...


    What's wrong with you?
    ummm...you do realize that it says top FIVE...can't include everyone on a top 5 list

    also, it says ALL TIME...there's a big difference between the best submission artists RIGHT NOW and the best all time. Why should Rousey be out if she's the first and only women's champ and has submitted every single person in the 1st round. Jacare can't even get a title match in his division yet, nevermind submitted every top level opponent in the division in the 1st round.

    Werdum, Jacare, & Maia are all insanely talented RIGHT NOW, but it's hard to put them on any all-time list without holding a UFC belt ...all 5 people I mentioned were unstoppable at one point in time
  • SistiSisti Posts: 5,314Free

    LOL at you putting Rousy in there ahead of people like Maia, Jacare and Werdum. You seriously think she is a better submission artist than those guys. I used to respect your opinions, but now every time I am about to read one of your posts, I will remember this and think don't bother.

    you do realize it's just a message board, not a chance for everyone to be an ****. i know it's all anonymous and people do that all the time here, but why be a **** to people constantly? this world rewards being a jerk to people too often and will be better off when we reward people for being nice
  • PoloRidahPoloRidah Posts: 11,385Free
    edited October 2013
    In before a GSP defense force member puts GSP at number 1 on their lists.

    I see Sisti's reasoning as to why he put Ronda on his list. These are personal lists after all.
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  • wanderleisilva101wanderleisilva101 Posts: 9,436Free
    Gabri1985 said:

    No Frank Mir Makes

    BruteDion said:

    Based off what they have done in MMA Alone right?

    I base mine off of how many sub wins, how many sub loses, and skill of guys they subbed (anyone can sub a Melvin guillard so that gets little credit)

    If so i got it as this in non-order

    Big Nog: 21 sub wins - 1 sub losses
    Shinya Aoki: 22 sub wins - no sub loses
    Jeremy Horn: 61 sub wins - 8 sub losses
    Frank Mir: 9 sub wins - no sub losses
    Fabrico Werdum: 9 sub wins - no sub losses

    Best if the rest

    Miguel Torres
    BJ Penn
    Fedor
    Matt Hughes
    Rickson Gracie
    Royce Gracie

    So i take it you're forgetting that Big Nog has been submitted Twice???

    Mir has to be top three of anyone's list, Nog tried to submit him while he was half unconscious and ended up with a snapped arm for his troubles.
    I agree Mir should be on the list but Nogs movement isn't quite what it once was on the feet or ground and he didn't show Mir enough respect for his ground game he's still dangerous as hell but I think in his earlyer years he'd have handled Mir and should have had a KO win if the ref wasn't retarded anyway.
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  • Sisti said:

    LOL at you putting Rousy in there ahead of people like Maia, Jacare and Werdum. You seriously think she is a better submission artist than those guys. I used to respect your opinions, but now every time I am about to read one of your posts, I will remember this and think don't bother.

    you do realize it's just a message board, not a chance for everyone to be an ****. i know it's all anonymous and people do that all the time here, but why be a **** to people constantly? this world rewards being a jerk to people too often and will be better off when we reward people for being nice
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  • wesleywells1wesleywells1 TexasPosts: 7,331Free
    BruteDion said:


    Jeremy Horn: 61 sub wins - 8 sub losses

    I can't believe I forgot about Jeremy Horn. Well done, Brute!
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  • Little_KangLittle_Kang Posts: 17,811Moderator, Ultimate
    Should be a thread, again, about the top 5 sub wins
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  • jpc_ultimatejpc_ultimate Posts: 980Free
    Werdum should be up there, such has Bj, Mir and Maia...
  • BruteDionBruteDion Posts: 10,499Free
    Gabri1985 said:

    No Frank Mir Makes

    BruteDion said:

    Based off what they have done in MMA Alone right?

    I base mine off of how many sub wins, how many sub loses, and skill of guys they subbed (anyone can sub a Melvin guillard so that gets little credit)

    If so i got it as this in non-order

    Big Nog: 21 sub wins - 1 sub losses
    Shinya Aoki: 22 sub wins - no sub loses
    Jeremy Horn: 61 sub wins - 8 sub losses
    Frank Mir: 9 sub wins - no sub losses
    Fabrico Werdum: 9 sub wins - no sub losses

    Best if the rest

    Miguel Torres
    BJ Penn
    Fedor
    Matt Hughes
    Rickson Gracie
    Royce Gracie

    So i take it you're forgetting that Big Nog has been submitted Twice???

    Mir has to be top three of anyone's list, Nog tried to submit him while he was half unconscious and ended up with a snapped arm for his troubles.
    Well if you read my post I said it was non order...I have frank on my list and I did mess up by putting it as 1 sub loses...big nog is still top 5 though
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  • SistiSisti Posts: 5,314Free

    Sisti said:


    Werdum, Jacare, & Maia are all insanely talented RIGHT NOW, but it's hard to put them on any all-time list without holding a UFC belt

    Oh, that's why Rousey is on your list

    *insert shaq gif*
    too lazy to find the shaq gif i see?

    i was going to put the shaq gif here, but i'm too lazy too
  • SistiSisti Posts: 5,314Free
    BruteDion said:


    Big Nog: 21 sub wins - 1 sub losses
    Shinya Aoki: 22 sub wins - no sub loses
    Jeremy Horn: 61 sub wins - 8 sub losses
    Frank Mir: 9 sub wins - no sub losses
    Fabrico Werdum: 9 sub wins - no sub losses

    Very helpful, and probably the best overall criteria to use

    Big Nog and Aoki definitely have the most impressive differentials
  • SistiSisti Posts: 5,314Free
    also, someone explain to me why rousey shouldn't be on there?

    imagine a guy who is easily champion of the only division of the UFC, undefeated, and won every single match via first round submission...that's an impressive feat that has only been done once in MMA history
  • kapstkapst ChicagolandPosts: 2,660Free
    Mir took Big Nog to school in submissions, & has never been submitted himself.

    How anyone can have Big Nog ahead of Mir is beyond me..
  • PunchBagPunchBag Posts: 7,862Free
    edited October 2013
    how anyone can like mir is beyond me
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  • waikruwaikru UFC PresidentPosts: 10,043Free
    edited October 2013
    BruteDion said:

    Based off what they have done in MMA Alone right?

    I base mine off of how many sub wins, how many sub loses, and skill of guys they subbed (anyone can sub a Melvin guillard so that gets little credit)

    If so i got it as this in non-order

    Big Nog: 21 sub wins - 1 sub losses
    Shinya Aoki: 22 sub wins - no sub loses
    Jeremy Horn: 61 sub wins - 8 sub losses
    Frank Mir: 9 sub wins - no sub losses
    Fabrico Werdum: 9 sub wins - no sub losses

    Best if the rest

    Miguel Torres
    BJ Penn
    Fedor
    Matt Hughes
    Rickson Gracie
    Royce Gracie

    Big Nog has been submitted by Werdum and Mir, so he should have two submission losses.
    Post edited by waikru on
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