Fedor never beat a single fighter that would even be a #1 contender in today's UFC.

MegasoupMegasoup Maker of SoupsPosts: 2,386Free
He didn't. The closest he came was a decision win against Big Nog, whose recent wins are against Dave Herman and Brendan Schaub. Don't tell me these guys are old, either. Fedor is 36. He was 33 and 34 when he dropped 3 in a row to guys who have never held and will never hold a UFC title.

I just keep hearing how Fedor was the greatest, but the truth is, he wasn't. There's nothing you can say that would prove otherwise.

I stand by my thread's title, "Fedor never beat a single fighter that would be a #1 contender in today's UFC." He would be a gatekeeper, at best.
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  • MegasoupMegasoup Maker of SoupsPosts: 2,386Free
    Sisti said:

    Megasoup said:

    He didn't. The closest he came was a decision win against Big Nog, whose recent wins are against Dave Herman and Brendan Schaub. Don't tell me these guys are old, either. Fedor is 36. He was 33 and 34 when he dropped 3 in a row to guys who have never held and will never hold a UFC title.

    I just keep hearing how Fedor was the greatest, but the truth is, he wasn't. There's nothing you can say that would prove otherwise.

    I stand by my thread's title, "Fedor never beat a single fighter that would be a #1 contender in today's UFC." He would be a gatekeeper, at best.

    Nolan Ryan never struck out a single batter who would be a top hitter in today's MLB. It's because his prime was a long time ago and the people who were the best 10 years ago are no longer the best.
    I'll concede to that. But, I've recently seen some threads posted about how he'd fare against Cain. There was a poll that was just put up and most people seemed to believe that Fedor would come out of that fight a winner. Yeah, right.
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  • kapstkapst ChicagolandPosts: 2,660Free
    It's not Fedor's fault he never had any competition.

    That said, I do agree that the argument "they're old now" and "past their prime" regarding all the Pride fighters who failed in the UFC gets a bit old. Fact is, the competition was greatly increased when the two orgs merged and most of them couldn't keep up.
  • carnages41carnages41 Posts: 36,344Free
    Randleman

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  • carnages41carnages41 Posts: 36,344Free
    PATSTER said:

    Randleman

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    Randleman ducked Matt Riddle lmao

    Plus Fedor lost to Randleman. Didn't you see that slam?
    they are even

    Randleman finished him once (KO slam), and Fedor finished him once (sub)
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  • carnages41carnages41 Posts: 36,344Free
    True...and plus a Kimura is all about strength not technique

    You do not see BJJ GOATS like Nick Diaz and the King using the Kimura
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  • ijosefijosef Posts: 1,645Free
    Sisti said:

    Megasoup said:

    He didn't. The closest he came was a decision win against Big Nog, whose recent wins are against Dave Herman and Brendan Schaub. Don't tell me these guys are old, either. Fedor is 36. He was 33 and 34 when he dropped 3 in a row to guys who have never held and will never hold a UFC title.

    I just keep hearing how Fedor was the greatest, but the truth is, he wasn't. There's nothing you can say that would prove otherwise.

    I stand by my thread's title, "Fedor never beat a single fighter that would be a #1 contender in today's UFC." He would be a gatekeeper, at best.

    Nolan Ryan never struck out a single batter who would be a top hitter in today's MLB. It's because his prime was a long time ago and the people who were the best 10 years ago are no longer the best.
    Good analogy. A better one would be "Ted Williams never hit above .400 with today's pitchers". Even you put Ted Williams in a time machine and brought him into today's MLB, there's no way he could do that. Why? Because pitchers back then hadn't evolved to where they are now.
  • ijosefijosef Posts: 1,645Free
    I'm a huge Lesnar fan, but I won't delude myself into thinking he was a good mixed martial artist. He was a huge guy with incredible athleticism for his size, but he wasn't a fighter. Incredibly strong and a good wrestler, but not a fighter. He did amazing things considering his skill set and experience level, but he was an anomaly in the world of MMA.
  • najmanajma Posts: 2,067Free
    Fedor to this day is one of the most versatile fighters to ever enter a ring, hexagon or octagon.
    He outstriked strikers, submitted BJJ specialists and wrestlers, destroyed giants who dwarfed him and smaller guys who should've been faster.

    Unfortunately age cought up very fast with him. But in his prime he had a Mike Tyson aura, showed no weakness and was a pure destroyer.
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  • GoToGuyGoToGuy Posts: 5,361Free
    OP is clearly rustled over FeGOAT's success.
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  • wanderleisilva101wanderleisilva101 Posts: 9,432Free
    Fighters primes come at different ages personal life and injuries etc can get in the way Fedor is the GOAT heavyweight so far still tho.
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  • MegasoupMegasoup Maker of SoupsPosts: 2,386Free
    Fedor WAS one of the greatest...maybe. It's hard to say, because he never fought for the premiere organization or any of the top fighters that were fighting for the UFC, except after their prime, save for Big Nog, who was stopped by Frank Mir twice by both knockout and submission.

    Keep in mind, Frank Mir is a perennial contender, at best. Don't get me wrong, he's a great fighter and I have a ton of respect for him. But if we're talking about Fedor being the best in the world and we're comparing fighters, his (Mir's) place in the pecking order becomes relevant. He consistently gets smoked by the top heavyweights. Also key, Big Nog was 32 when he got knocked out by Mir. I'm aware that some fighters get past their prime at different ages, but 32 ain't old for anyone.

    I know, I know; MMA math. But since Fedor refused to fight in the UFC, that's all we're left with.

    So...was Fedor really the greatest?
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  • MIRKO_CRO_COPMIRKO_CRO_COP Posts: 9,344Free
    nogueira never even was a number 1 contender ?
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  • JunglebirdJunglebird Posts: 9,741Free
    He fought a lot of Cans back in the day, but he also fought all the best HWs of the day too.

    So even though his record is padded with some cans, he still beat the best guys until about 2008.

    .... then the sport evolves, and as more HW talent turned to the UFC Fedor didnt join with them. But even without facing the current top HWs or HWs in the UFC from 2008-current he still has the best run at HW.
    Take away the cans he smashed: he still beat Nog, Cro Cop, Randleman, Mark Hunt.

    Vs. Cain: JDS x2, Bigfoot x2, Lesnar, Kongo, and Big Nog.

    at the moment Cain probably has an equal amount of wins vs. legitimate TOP HWs of their time... If Cain keeps dominating for his next 2 or 3 title defenses, he surpasses Fedor easily at that time, imo.
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  • najmanajma Posts: 2,067Free
    Arlovski at that time was coming off of wins over:
    Nelson - KO, a top UFC HW currently and nobody was able to KO him in the UFC, including JDS
    Rothwell - current UFC fighter
    Werdum - current UFC title contender
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  • Little_KangLittle_Kang Posts: 17,809Moderator, Ultimate

    True...and plus a Kimura is all about strength not technique

    You do not see BJJ GOATS like Nick Diaz and the King using the Kimura

    Thats a general way of looking at it. Off that stance any joint lock is just a strength thing.

    So many more variants go with it.

    Proper technqiue
    Leverage/position your attacking it
    How tired your opponent or you are
    Flexibility of your opponent.

    Not everyone can last like this

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  • Shark_EtiquetteShark_Etiquette Posts: 774Free
    PATSTER said:

    PATSTER said:

    Randleman

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    Randleman ducked Matt Riddle lmao

    Plus Fedor lost to Randleman. Didn't you see that slam?
    they are even

    Randleman finished him once (KO slam), and Fedor finished him once (sub)
    a slam KO > submission any day.
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    You must have Overeems natural testosterone level.
    Probably crap to strikes. Then die.
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  • SistiSisti Posts: 5,314Free
    Megasoup said:

    Fedor WAS one of the greatest...maybe. It's hard to say, because he never fought for the premiere organization or any of the top fighters that were fighting for the UFC, except after their prime, save for Big Nog, who was stopped by Frank Mir twice by both knockout and submission.

    Keep in mind, Frank Mir is a perennial contender, at best. Don't get me wrong, he's a great fighter and I have a ton of respect for him. But if we're talking about Fedor being the best in the world and we're comparing fighters, his (Mir's) place in the pecking order becomes relevant. He consistently gets smoked by the top heavyweights. Also key, Big Nog was 32 when he got knocked out by Mir. I'm aware that some fighters get past their prime at different ages, but 32 ain't old for anyone.

    I know, I know; MMA math. But since Fedor refused to fight in the UFC, that's all we're left with.

    So...was Fedor really the greatest?

    you're doing too much of finding anything negative and using that to agree with what you already thought. let me ask you a serious question, how many full fedor matches have you seen?

    what people do with fedor is kinda odd, and they basically just use today's MMA rankings to say he didn't fight anyone worthwhile. that just makes no sense to me. look at royce gracie...you could say he was awful because the best guy he beat was ken shamrock.

    you have to take out all bias and look at what fedor really accomplished. he beat Arlovski who AT THAT TIME was on a 5-fight win streak (including wins over Werdum and Roy Nelson) as well as a former UFC champ, and Fedor stopped him in the 1st. he also beat Schilt who was a killer kickboxing champ that seemed unbeatable, heath herring, babalu, big nog X2, matt lindland, randelman, mark coleman X2, Mark Hunt, Tim Sylvia, an undefeated Brett Rogers, a 500 pound beast, etc.

    people forget that once a fighter loses, their MMA reputation goes down, so a lot of those guys may have been even bigger names had fedor not beaten them. fedor was definitely taking on the very best when he was on top so i never got the argument that he never beat anyone. he never beat anyone relevant in the last few years because he lost his motivation and had no interest in fighting in a promotion for a guy who insulted him constantly...but 2000 - 2009 his run was legendary, and the only guy who could rival it was Anderson Silva
  • MMA_PostMMA_Post Posts: 4Free
    This is my first post, and I wouldn't normally leave one, but the comments about Fedor losing to Randleman due to a "slam" is hilarious. I just had to chime in. Have you guys even seen the whole fight?



    Check the 7:15 mark where the slam happens and see what happens afterwards. Not only did he take a slam that probably would've ko'd many fighters after, but he proceeded to finish the fight within 2-3 minutes
  • JbrahamsJbrahams Brisbane, AustraliaPosts: 11,783Ultimate
    Well duh, he fought guys in their prime which was like 10 years ago, of course they aren't going to be No 1 contender anymore you **** moron. So in 10 years time you will discredit Anderson's accomplishments because none of the guys he dominated 5 years ago would be No 1 contender in 10 years time?

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  • StompGrindStompGrind Posts: 21,300Free
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    Different era. not really fair to compare apples to oranges.
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  • StompGrindStompGrind Posts: 21,300Free

    True...and plus a Kimura is all about strength not technique

    You do not see BJJ GOATS like Nick Diaz and the King using the Kimura

    Actually that was one of Nick's go to moves from sidemount. From the top it's not really anymore of a strength move than an armbar. From the bottom though unless you're super slick and sell a good hip bump sweep then quickly transition into it then it is a bit of a strength move.
  • Yesterdays_HeroYesterdays_Hero Posts: 23,650Free
    People are stuck in the past, Fedor sucked and PRIDE was fixed. Cain would terminate Fedor.
  • Little_KangLittle_Kang Posts: 17,809Moderator, Ultimate

    True...and plus a Kimura is all about strength not technique

    You do not see BJJ GOATS like Nick Diaz and the King using the Kimura

    Actually that was one of Nick's go to moves from sidemount. From the top it's not really anymore of a strength move than an armbar. From the bottom though unless you're super slick and sell a good hip bump sweep then quickly transition into it then it is a bit of a strength move.
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  • AnsemAnsem Posts: 3,836Free
    He beat Tim Sylvia quite easily, and everybody knows Tim Sylvia > Cain.

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  • MegasoupMegasoup Maker of SoupsPosts: 2,386Free
    edited October 2013
    Jbrahams said:

    Well duh, he fought guys in their prime which was like 10 years ago, of course they aren't going to be No 1 contender anymore you **** moron. So in 10 years time you will discredit Anderson's accomplishments because none of the guys he dominated 5 years ago would be No 1 contender in 10 years time?

    God you're stupid

    The best case everyone seems to be making on here is his fight with Andre Arlosvski. That was four years ago, man.

    All the other noise that Fedor made in Pride was 8, 9 years ago or less. I don't know what you're talking about with this 10 years ago crap, not that two years makes that much difference.

    Eight years ago, Chuck Liddell was the Light Heavyweight Champion, and Frank Mir was the Heavyweight Champion for a short period of time.
    B.J. Penn was in the UFC, having won a title. A lot of "modern" fighters had already fought under the Zuffa banner, like George St. Pierre and Rashad Evans and a host of other fighters that are still relevant today, arguably in their prime. Anderson Silva was tearing it up somewhere, as were other great fighters and the UFC already aired the first couple seasons of The Ultimate Fighter.

    The fact of the matter is, while the sport has evolved at an incredible pace, it hasn't changed THAT MUCH!

    You all can't keep talking about how it was a different era or how he's now in his mid-50's, because the era wasn't quite that different and Fedor is in his mid-30's. Hell, I was training 8 years ago and I'm also in my mid-30's. I thought he was all hype back then and I still think that...and there's not a damn one of you who has ever made a relevant case that says otherwise.

    So, dude...you're stupid. You're the **** moron.
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