Remember when you guys thought the WW Div was so strong

RelentlessRampageRelentlessRampage Posts: 419Free
It's funny how people in the forum put the WW Div on the pedestal and trash the MW div yet half the top ten WWs are MWs who were begining to fall out the top ten at MW. (MW>WW ) The only reason the WW div is so full because people that can make MW cut 15 extra lbs just to avoid it because they would've rather fight GSP then Anderson Silva. Talk about how technical and skillfull the fighters are yet the #2 or #1 what ever you call Hendricks is one the most well known one trick ponys in the UFC. The welterweight div is nice and I like to watch them fight I am just breaking the bandwagon you guys made because I don't like it. The WW are not that technical they just do a whole rack of flashy movements that half the time result in nothing more than make them look like their doing something. It's not about how flashy your strikes and movement but wheter it's effective or not and the MWs are more effective. (End of story)

(The gap between MW and WW is 15lbs and plus some MWs cut alot to barely make MW so they really could have a much bigger weight advantage)
Johnny Hendricks couldn't even be a top ten MW
Rory Mcdonald as is wouldn't be a top ten MW unless in a couple years he made the right weight adjustments and skill changes.
GSP might do something there but I could see him getting manhandled by certain MWs
Matt Brown wouldn't even be a top 15 middleweight
Robbie Lawler couldn't buy a good win at MW
Jake Ellenberger is alright at times but his striking is flat out trifling most times and if you can work angles and fire straight down the pipe , mix and some hooks you destroy him on the feet. His wrestling can cause problems but at MW he'd be undersized.
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  • Little_KangLittle_Kang Posts: 17,795Moderator, Ultimate
    So...... because smaller middleweights decided to make the right decision and move to their proper weight class means the weight class itself sucks?

    Wouldnt that be THE EXACT SAME for middleweights considering small 205ers are cutting down and destroying the top tens????
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  • carnages41carnages41 Posts: 36,218Free


    Matt Brown wouldn't even be a top 15 middleweight

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  • SistiSisti Posts: 5,312Free

    Matt Brown wouldn't even be a top 15 middleweight

    YOU LEAVE THIS FORUM RIGHT NOW!
  • carnages41carnages41 Posts: 36,218Free
    You can say that same thing about every weight class

    Anderson wouldn't even be top 15 at LHW

    Aldo wouldn't even make it in the UFC LW division

    Jones wouldn't be top 10 at HW
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  • So...... because smaller middleweights decided to make the right decision and move to their proper weight class means the weight class itself sucks?

    Wouldnt that be THE EXACT SAME for middleweights considering small 205ers are cutting down and destroying the top tens????

    I never said the Div sucks I was just giving a counter argument because people always rag on the MW div. I said I like the WW div and matter in fact I enjoy every div but two divs I see get the most undeserved hate is the HW div and the MW div.

  • MGunMGun GOATPosts: 3,089Free

    You can say that same thing about every weight class

    Anderson wouldn't even be top 15 at LHW

    Aldo wouldn't even make it in the UFC LW division

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  • You can say that same thing about every weight class

    Anderson wouldn't even be top 15 at LHW

    Aldo wouldn't even make it in the UFC LW division

    Jones wouldn't be top 10 at HW

    False Aldo already beat a former champ right off his lose to the ten current champ Aldo would atleast be top 5 in LW in my opinion. Anderson already beat a former LHW champ so he'd atleast be top 5 in or top 8 IMO. Jon Jones has yet to prove himself as a heavyweight so i'll let you have that one.

  • PunchBagPunchBag Posts: 7,784Free
    with the merging of sf it really strengthened the mw division because sf had some good mws
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  • Ares11Ares11 Posts: 1,474Free

    You can say that same thing about every weight class

    Anderson wouldn't even be top 15 at LHW

    Aldo wouldn't even make it in the UFC LW division

    Jones wouldn't be top 10 at HW

    I'd have to disagree with this. At this stage in his career Anderson wouldn't do any damage at LHW IMO. Aldo and Jones however would most certainly be top 10, especially Jones considering how shallow that division is
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  • carnages41carnages41 Posts: 36,218Free

    You can say that same thing about every weight class

    Anderson wouldn't even be top 15 at LHW

    Aldo wouldn't even make it in the UFC LW division

    Jones wouldn't be top 10 at HW

    False Aldo already beat a former champ right off his lose to the ten current champ Aldo would atleast be top 5 in LW in my opinion. Anderson already beat a former LHW champ so he'd atleast be top 5 in or top 8 IMO. Jon Jones has yet to prove himself as a heavyweight so i'll let you have that one.

    lol Anderson beat FORREST ****ING GRIFFIN

    The biggest joke of the LHW division

    Anderson maybe could make top 8 at most
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  • Anderson beat Chael twice and now he is top 7 in the LHW div. I could see Anderson easily beating Lil Nog who is top 5 in the LHW div for what ever reason.
  • MGunMGun GOATPosts: 3,089Free

    You can say that same thing about every weight class

    Anderson wouldn't even be top 15 at LHW

    Aldo wouldn't even make it in the UFC LW division

    Jones wouldn't be top 10 at HW

    False Aldo already beat a former champ right off his lose to the ten current champ Aldo would atleast be top 5 in LW in my opinion. Anderson already beat a former LHW champ so he'd atleast be top 5 in or top 8 IMO. Jon Jones has yet to prove himself as a heavyweight so i'll let you have that one.

    lol Anderson beat FORREST ****ING GRIFFIN

    The biggest joke of the LHW division

    Anderson maybe could make top 8 at most
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  • PunchBagPunchBag Posts: 7,784Free
    lol griffin beat shogun and rampage
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  • carnages41carnages41 Posts: 36,218Free
    MilesGun said:

    You can say that same thing about every weight class

    Anderson wouldn't even be top 15 at LHW

    Aldo wouldn't even make it in the UFC LW division

    Jones wouldn't be top 10 at HW

    False Aldo already beat a former champ right off his lose to the ten current champ Aldo would atleast be top 5 in LW in my opinion. Anderson already beat a former LHW champ so he'd atleast be top 5 in or top 8 IMO. Jon Jones has yet to prove himself as a heavyweight so i'll let you have that one.

    lol Anderson beat FORREST ****ING GRIFFIN

    The biggest joke of the LHW division

    Anderson maybe could make top 8 at most
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    lol Machida missed 90% of those punches and then shot for a takedown like a scared little **** when Rampage swung back
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  • Little_KangLittle_Kang Posts: 17,795Moderator, Ultimate

    So...... because smaller middleweights decided to make the right decision and move to their proper weight class means the weight class itself sucks?

    Wouldnt that be THE EXACT SAME for middleweights considering small 205ers are cutting down and destroying the top tens????

    I never said the Div sucks I was just giving a counter argument because people always rag on the MW div. I said I like the WW div and matter in fact I enjoy every div but two divs I see get the most undeserved hate is the HW div and the MW div.

    But your solely basing the likes on size which really back on you. WW is definitely more stacked as far as talent and viable contenders then the middleweighr division

    And its true that middleweight and heavyweight are two of the shallowest divisions out there
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  • carnages41carnages41 Posts: 36,218Free

    So...... because smaller middleweights decided to make the right decision and move to their proper weight class means the weight class itself sucks?

    Wouldnt that be THE EXACT SAME for middleweights considering small 205ers are cutting down and destroying the top tens????

    I never said the Div sucks I was just giving a counter argument because people always rag on the MW div. I said I like the WW div and matter in fact I enjoy every div but two divs I see get the most undeserved hate is the HW div and the MW div.

    And its true that middleweight and heavyweight are two of the shallowest divisions out there
    Which is funny because those two divisions have the most kickboxers
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  • MGunMGun GOATPosts: 3,089Free

    MilesGun said:

    You can say that same thing about every weight class

    Anderson wouldn't even be top 15 at LHW

    Aldo wouldn't even make it in the UFC LW division

    Jones wouldn't be top 10 at HW

    False Aldo already beat a former champ right off his lose to the ten current champ Aldo would atleast be top 5 in LW in my opinion. Anderson already beat a former LHW champ so he'd atleast be top 5 in or top 8 IMO. Jon Jones has yet to prove himself as a heavyweight so i'll let you have that one.

    lol Anderson beat FORREST ****ING GRIFFIN

    The biggest joke of the LHW division

    Anderson maybe could make top 8 at most
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    lol Machida missed 90% of those punches and then shot for a takedown like a scared little **** when Rampage swung back
    Rampage ran backwards to safe his life tho and admitted that he got his **** beat after the fight.
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    WW will be P4P again, after GSP retires...
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  • wanderleisilva101wanderleisilva101 Posts: 9,348Free

    So...... because smaller middleweights decided to make the right decision and move to their proper weight class means the weight class itself sucks?

    Wouldnt that be THE EXACT SAME for middleweights considering small 205ers are cutting down and destroying the top tens????

    I never said the Div sucks I was just giving a counter argument because people always rag on the MW div. I said I like the WW div and matter in fact I enjoy every div but two divs I see get the most undeserved hate is the HW div and the MW div.

    But your solely basing the likes on size which really back on you. WW is definitely more stacked as far as talent and viable contenders then the middleweighr division

    And its true that middleweight and heavyweight are two of the shallowest divisions out there
    Nah Flyweight is shallower than MW. MW is pretty stacked right now especially if Vitor and Chael move down.
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  • ^ To add on I think Griffin lost to Rampage IMO but a wins a win and also he beat Franklin who is probably a future Hall of famer.

    So...... because smaller middleweights decided to make the right decision and move to their proper weight class means the weight class itself sucks?

    Wouldnt that be THE EXACT SAME for middleweights considering small 205ers are cutting down and destroying the top tens????

    I never said the Div sucks I was just giving a counter argument because people always rag on the MW div. I said I like the WW div and matter in fact I enjoy every div but two divs I see get the most undeserved hate is the HW div and the MW div.

    But your solely basing the likes on size which really back on you. WW is definitely more stacked as far as talent and viable contenders then the middleweighr division

    And its true that middleweight and heavyweight are two of the shallowest divisions out there
    More packed not stacked WW div just has more people and alot of them aren't going anywhere. What matters is the quality of fighters in the DIv not the quantity and I think right now their about even. Heavyweight could use a few more people but I think Cain and JDS are P4P better than what people give them credit for.

  • therien87therien87 Posts: 354Free

    So...... because smaller middleweights decided to make the right decision and move to their proper weight class means the weight class itself sucks?

    Wouldnt that be THE EXACT SAME for middleweights considering small 205ers are cutting down and destroying the top tens????

    it is... OP in on powerful drugs. the ww division is one of the most stacked division still.
  • kapstkapst ChicagolandPosts: 2,659Free
    Thales Leites, Patrick Cote, Nate Marquardt, Yushin Okami...

    These fighters would have never been top contenders in any other division based on their skillset p4p..

    MW was a horrible division for most of Silva's reign.

  • carnages41carnages41 Posts: 36,218Free
    kapst said:

    Thales Leites, Patrick Cote, Nate Marquardt, Yushin Okami...

    These fighters would have never been top contenders in any other division based on their skillset p4p..

    MW was a horrible division for most of Silva's reign.

    dat is funny because Nate Marduardt IS a top contendor at WW
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  • carnages41carnages41 Posts: 36,218Free
    AND Lombard is a bigger contendor at WW than he was at MW
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  • kapstkapst ChicagolandPosts: 2,659Free
    edited November 2013

    kapst said:

    Thales Leites, Patrick Cote, Nate Marquardt, Yushin Okami...

    These fighters would have never been top contenders in any other division based on their skillset p4p..

    MW was a horrible division for most of Silva's reign.

    dat is funny because Nate Marduardt IS a top contendor at WW
    Marquardt is a contender. He's not anywhere near the top, like he was at MW, & he never will be.

    He also has a massive size advantage at WW, just like Lombard, which is why I said "based on their skillset p4p".

    Anyone can cut weight & likely have a better chance against smaller opponents. This doesn't imply that their former division was better. lol
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    kapst said:

    kapst said:

    Thales Leites, Patrick Cote, Nate Marquardt, Yushin Okami...

    These fighters would have never been top contenders in any other division based on their skillset p4p..

    MW was a horrible division for most of Silva's reign.

    dat is funny because Nate Marduardt IS a top contendor at WW
    Marquardt is a contender. He's not anywhere near the top, like he was at MW, & he never will be.

    He also has a massive size advantage at WW, just like Lombard, which is why I said "based on their skillset p4p".

    Anyone can cut weight & likely have a better chance against smaller opponents. This doesn't imply that their former division was better. lol
    no

    not "anyone" can cut weight to a lower division, if that were true than everyone would be a Flyweight

    WW is Lombard's natural weight class, he is a midget

    clearly the competition at MW was much more difficult
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    "Relentless" Rampage. lol.
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    You can say that same thing about every weight class

    Anderson wouldn't even be top 15 at LHW

    Aldo wouldn't even make it in the UFC LW division

    Jones wouldn't be top 10 at HW

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