Over/Under for Silva/Weidman 2 ppv buys

UFCCagerattlerUFCCagerattler Posts: 16,142Free
The UFC is admittedly in a death spiral for PPV. They are so in the tank since 2008 that they are talking about getting out of the PPV biz altogether. A lot of that tankage can be attributed to Brock Lesnar skewing the buy rates in the first place. SIlva is not one of the promotions big draws and never has been. Blackzillians just don;t ring the register, and Weidman is literally nobody.

I would put the over/under here at a half million. \\

I am taking the under.
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  • NewMMAFansSuckNewMMAFansSuck Posts: 1,803Free
    Dana White keeps calling this the biggest card they've ever done. In terms of buys, I don't think its gonna come close to UFC 100.
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  • wanderleisilva101wanderleisilva101 Posts: 9,402Free
    edited December 2013
    It will do over half a mil I'd have thought it's sad Lesnar is a bigger draw fighting than some of these much more talented fighters like Anderson etc

    The card as a whole probably isn't as big on paper as UFC 100 just simply because they had Lesnar and the whole of Canada watching GSP plus the other title fight on 168 Rousey vs Tate isn't really competitive at all as much as some haters want to believe, Rousey will sub her in the 1st again however I'd rather watch Silva vs Weidman fight again over anything on the 100 card.
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  • _TUF1__TUF1_ Posts: 8,192Free
    GSP vs Silva before the Weidman fight is the only thing that could have sniffed UFC 100 numbers. Would be surprised if it broke a mil.
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  • Ares11Ares11 Posts: 1,479Free
    I'd say around 750K-800K is a good bet. No doubt this is a huge PPV, but it won't come close to UFC 100.
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  • TheBigDTheBigD Posts: 423Free
    Who doesn't want to see an Ogre barrel over people in the octagon?
  • PRIDEneverDIEDPRIDEneverDIED Posts: 8,957Moderator, Ultimate
    162 sold 550k....same main event with some interesting and marketed match ups for 168 dunno what else is on TV that night but 500 is prolly around what it will do tough call
  • OmoplataypusOmoplataypus BostonPosts: 4,607Free
    I think you guys are underestimating Rousey's following a bit.

    Plus Weidy vs Spidey 2 is probably the biggest fight of the year except for JDS/Cain 3.

    Will break 500 no doubt about it.
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  • _TUF1__TUF1_ Posts: 8,192Free

    I think you guys are underestimating Rousey's following a bit.

    Plus Weidy vs Spidey 2 is probably the biggest fight of the year except for JDS/Cain 3.

    Will break 500 no doubt about it.

    lulz Rousey's following averaged the lowest TUF ratings ever and JDS/Cain 3 did some of the worst PPV numbers of any title fight this year. You have convinced me it will do less than 500,000 now.
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  • PabloskyPablosky Posts: 675Free
    do you think that a company that keeps growing its not making money with the PPV?

    thanks god im less stupid now!

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  • OmoplataypusOmoplataypus BostonPosts: 4,607Free
    _TUF1_ said:

    I think you guys are underestimating Rousey's following a bit.

    Plus Weidy vs Spidey 2 is probably the biggest fight of the year except for JDS/Cain 3.

    Will break 500 no doubt about it.

    lulz Rousey's following averaged the lowest TUF ratings ever and JDS/Cain 3 did some of the worst PPV numbers of any title fight this year. You have convinced me it will do less than 500,000 now.
    No one cares about TUF and people don't watch it live anyway. They will buy the PPV to see her fight though.

    Surprised to hear Cain/JDS did bad numbers.
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  • PRIDEneverDIEDPRIDEneverDIED Posts: 8,957Moderator, Ultimate
    edited December 2013

    I think you guys are underestimating Rousey's following a bit.

    Plus Weidy vs Spidey 2 is probably the biggest fight of the year except for JDS/Cain 3.

    Will break 500 no doubt about it.

    Cain vs jds 3 only sold 330k.....Rousey's vs carmouche did 450k

    Source...dunno how reliable
    http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/pay-per-view/

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  • By all accounts GSP was the UFC's number PPV draw and he co - headlined UFC 100 .... Jon Jones is probably their number one now and Anderson Silva next .... it's been a while since the Spider entered the octagon as the challenger and I would go for over 500K. I'm def intrigued by this re-match. Also, Ronda Rousey has been selling her fight against Meisha Tate very nicely for the UFC ..... got to go over 500K for the last event of the year.
  • _TUF1__TUF1_ Posts: 8,192Free

    _TUF1_ said:

    I think you guys are underestimating Rousey's following a bit.

    Plus Weidy vs Spidey 2 is probably the biggest fight of the year except for JDS/Cain 3.

    Will break 500 no doubt about it.

    lulz Rousey's following averaged the lowest TUF ratings ever and JDS/Cain 3 did some of the worst PPV numbers of any title fight this year. You have convinced me it will do less than 500,000 now.
    No one cares about TUF and people don't watch it live anyway. They will buy the PPV to see her fight though.

    Surprised to hear Cain/JDS did bad numbers.
    Wouldn't her following follow TUF? and yeah i heard the 300-350k range. No bueno.
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  • OmoplataypusOmoplataypus BostonPosts: 4,607Free
    _TUF1_ said:

    _TUF1_ said:

    I think you guys are underestimating Rousey's following a bit.

    Plus Weidy vs Spidey 2 is probably the biggest fight of the year except for JDS/Cain 3.

    Will break 500 no doubt about it.

    lulz Rousey's following averaged the lowest TUF ratings ever and JDS/Cain 3 did some of the worst PPV numbers of any title fight this year. You have convinced me it will do less than 500,000 now.
    No one cares about TUF and people don't watch it live anyway. They will buy the PPV to see her fight though.

    Surprised to hear Cain/JDS did bad numbers.
    Wouldn't her following follow TUF? and yeah i heard the 300-350k range. No bueno.
    Since she wasn't fighting maybe not. Plus I don't think ratings tell the whole story with all the ON DEMAND and such available. I didn't watch one episode live.
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  • _TUF1__TUF1_ Posts: 8,192Free
    yeah but on demand has been around for a few years. Knee grows been using T-vo since TUF 1 came out and the ratings have never been so bad. They tried to draw in the handicapped community with Rousey like Bisping brought the Brits and it didn't work.
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  • _TUF1__TUF1_ Posts: 8,192Free

    I think you guys are underestimating Rousey's following a bit.

    Plus Weidy vs Spidey 2 is probably the biggest fight of the year except for JDS/Cain 3.

    Will break 500 no doubt about it.

    Cain vs jds 3 only sold 330k.....Rousey's vs carmouche did 450k

    Source...dunno how reliable
    http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/pay-per-view/

    holy crap i can't tell you how long i've been looking for a list like this. I check wiki and Dave Meltzer's twitter but they're both pretty inconsistent on sharing the figures regularly. Thank you. And the numbers on the list all look consistent with others i've seen so.
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  • PRIDEneverDIEDPRIDEneverDIED Posts: 8,957Moderator, Ultimate
    _TUF1_ said:

    I think you guys are underestimating Rousey's following a bit.

    Plus Weidy vs Spidey 2 is probably the biggest fight of the year except for JDS/Cain 3.

    Will break 500 no doubt about it.

    Cain vs jds 3 only sold 330k.....Rousey's vs carmouche did 450k

    Source...dunno how reliable
    http://mmapayout.com/blue-book/pay-per-view/

    holy crap i can't tell you how long i've been looking for a list like this. I check wiki and Dave Meltzer's twitter but they're both pretty inconsistent on sharing the figures regularly. Thank you. And the numbers on the list all look consistent with others i've seen so.
    Yea it's nice to have date main event fight and figures all in one shot in chronological order...it seemed pretty legit and it mentions Meltzer as a source so I'm glad it helped seems like they update it regularly
  • carnages41carnages41 Posts: 36,269Free
    This event won't sell over $250k

    its Christmas, people have better **** to do then watch a Human Cockfight

    I know for sure I won't be watching it, i'll be chillin on the beach, y'know the **** you are supposed to do at Christmas
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  • jpc_ultimatejpc_ultimate Posts: 980Free
    I dont think its gonna do more than 500k... Silva isnt a big draw, its who he fights that sells the fight...
    Think about when he fought Okami, he sold around 350k. while UFC 148 sold near a milion, simply because Chael Hyped the fight so much
  • juice64011juice64011 Posts: 5,949Free
    I think that it will do well. I have quite a few friends that are casual fans that are excited for a rematch. I will take the over on 500k.
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  • NewMMAFansSuckNewMMAFansSuck Posts: 1,803Free
    They'll be lucky if they break 600k. UFC PPV's are over saturated. They need to make more free cards and a lot less PPV's.
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  • UFCCagerattlerUFCCagerattler Posts: 16,142Free
    _TUF1_ said:

    The UFC is admittedly in a death spiral for PPV. They are so in the tank since 2008 that they are talking about getting out of the PPV biz altogether. A lot of that tankage can be attributed to Brock Lesnar skewing the buy rates in the first place. SIlva is not one of the promotions big draws and never has been. Blackzillians just don;t ring the register, and Weidman is literally nobody.

    I would put the over/under here at a half million. \\

    I am taking the under.

    Link to where the UFC admitted they're in a death spiral and are getting out of the PPV business? Even with a slight drop in the buyrates they would never drop PPVs. That's where they rape the dollar the most. And Silva is probably their biggest draw currently. I don't think they should drop the PPV model but i would like to see them adopt more of a boxing PPV model. 4 or 5 big PPV's with more free cards to build up your stars. Getting far too watered down and Dana is too stubborn to admit it.
    The UFC does not release reliable numbers for PPV buys, and they have never said they are in a death spiral, but even by their own reckoning PPV buys have declined every year since 2008. That is 5 straight years of ever decreasing buys. And we are talking huge down.

    This couch potato article is a good primer on MMA PPV but you really need to dig in and do some research in order to get a solid understanding o what the numbers really are in this sport. There is no 2 minute slide show for this one.

    http://www.cagepotato.com/cagepotato-presents-a-comprehensive-breakdown-of-the-ufcs-ppv-numbers-and-how-they-can-improve-them/

    While the PPV model has worked in the past the new reality is that it may not work in the future and the UFC may be further ahead giving all their content to a network and getting the biggest network contract possible. The problem revolves around this: the MMA fan will watch the whole show - but the new MMA fan might only want the main event. So how do you get the most value for your main event?
  • SistiSisti Posts: 5,312Free

    The UFC is admittedly in a death spiral for PPV. They are so in the tank since 2008 that they are talking about getting out of the PPV biz altogether. A lot of that tankage can be attributed to Brock Lesnar skewing the buy rates in the first place. SIlva is not one of the promotions big draws and never has been. Blackzillians just don;t ring the register, and Weidman is literally nobody.

    I would put the over/under here at a half million. \\

    I am taking the under.

    haha dude if you took the under on that bet you would need like 300:1 odds

    Silva was on the longest and most impressive win streak in the history of the company and is having a rematch against the guy who just KO'd him! That is pretty big, and Meisha/Ronda 2 is actually a very marketable fight too

    I think you gotta put it somewhere between 800K - 900K

    I don't see anyone on their roster a bigger draw than Silva currently...and Weidman's undefeated at the moment and has some drawing ability himself

    Granted, GSP and Brock were much bigger draws and Weidman is still a minor draw, but the idea of Silva finally coming off a loss and the main event being a rematch for the title is pretty huge
  • UFCCagerattlerUFCCagerattler Posts: 16,142Free
    edited December 2013
    Silva averages just over half a million buys.

    If the rate of decline on UFC buys continues on the pace established over the last 5 years he will struggle to make a half million here.

    I see nothing in this UFC that would reverse such a strong trend.

    I'm sticking with the under.

    BTW Silva is only number 11 on the all time buys per event list. He is only 7% above the average(Lersnar is 97%). So he brings very little gate to an event. The fact is that black brazillians do not ring the register. Neither do unknown American wrestlers.
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  • _TUF1__TUF1_ Posts: 8,192Free
    edited December 2013

    _TUF1_ said:

    The UFC is admittedly in a death spiral for PPV. They are so in the tank since 2008 that they are talking about getting out of the PPV biz altogether. A lot of that tankage can be attributed to Brock Lesnar skewing the buy rates in the first place. SIlva is not one of the promotions big draws and never has been. Blackzillians just don;t ring the register, and Weidman is literally nobody.

    I would put the over/under here at a half million. \\

    I am taking the under.

    Link to where the UFC admitted they're in a death spiral and are getting out of the PPV business? Even with a slight drop in the buyrates they would never drop PPVs. That's where they rape the dollar the most. And Silva is probably their biggest draw currently. I don't think they should drop the PPV model but i would like to see them adopt more of a boxing PPV model. 4 or 5 big PPV's with more free cards to build up your stars. Getting far too watered down and Dana is too stubborn to admit it.
    The UFC does not release reliable numbers for PPV buys, and they have never said they are in a death spiral, but even by their own reckoning PPV buys have declined every year since 2008. That is 5 straight years of ever decreasing buys. And we are talking huge down.

    This couch potato article is a good primer on MMA PPV but you really need to dig in and do some research in order to get a solid understanding o what the numbers really are in this sport. There is no 2 minute slide show for this one.

    http://www.cagepotato.com/cagepotato-presents-a-comprehensive-breakdown-of-the-ufcs-ppv-numbers-and-how-they-can-improve-them/

    While the PPV model has worked in the past the new reality is that it may not work in the future and the UFC may be further ahead giving all their content to a network and getting the biggest network contract possible. The problem revolves around this: the MMA fan will watch the whole show - but the new MMA fan might only want the main event. So how do you get the most value for your main event?
    lol tells me to do research... doesn't do any research.

    The UFC hasn't admitted to a death spiral like you say.
    They haven't been in the tank since 2008 and haven't been talking about getting rid of the PPV biz.
    Silva has been one of the biggest draws since 2008. (The card he headlined against Okami was affected by half the east coast of the US being without power due to an ice storm) Research that if you don't believe me.
    The UFC has not been in a decline every year since 2008 like u say either.

    do you make a habit of posting biased lies as fact?
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  • PabloskyPablosky Posts: 675Free
    edited December 2013
    500k PPV are almost 20 millons dollars, plus advertising, media networks rights, its a **** load of money!!! and the OFFICIAL numbers we'll never know because noone share public their PROFIT.

    why do you think ufc 168 its more expensive? because its going to be a fail??? NO **** WAY this its going to be one the most important MMA events of the year, even more, this could be epic, just like the 1st fight....

    do you remember how did you feel at the end of round 1? I COULDNT sleep that nite because of the excitement, and im going to buy that 20 dollars (f. u. D. W.) PPV and im a third world man!!!

    so quit it! and enjoy this amazing fight god damn it!!

    :P
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  • UFCCagerattlerUFCCagerattler Posts: 16,142Free
    "Silva has been one of the biggest draws since 2008."

    Read the link I gave you.

    Silva is not a big draw and never has been and never will be.

    That's just a fact. Borck Lesnar alone outdraws the UFC because MMA is small potatoes.

    Get it?
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