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Poll: Defining a super-fight (23 member(s) have cast votes)

What makes a super-fight?

  1. Current champions from different weight divisions fighting (13 votes [43.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.33%

  2. Current or recent champions from different weight divisions fighting (3 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  3. "Elite" or premier fighters fighting (6 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  4. Your favourite fighter fighting and you're really excited (3 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  5. Other, please specify (5 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

Is Weidman v Belfort a super-fight?

  1. Yes (1 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

  2. No (22 votes [95.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 95.65%

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#1 Bubba_Sparks

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 12:22 PM

So the UFC have chucked the phrase "super-fight" around a bit too liberally in my opinion.  But what do you think? What is a "super-fight"?  

 

 

Do we have one lined up for UFC 181 or is that just a great fight?

 

 

Multiple choices allowed...


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 12:30 PM

Interesting thread. I personally think GSP vs BJ was the only real super fight that we have seen in the UFC. However, due to popularity of the fighters, and the sheer intrigue of Silva vs Diaz, I'd probably class that as a super fight too. Two good members of the division fighting doesn't suddenly make a fight a super fight.  


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 12:31 PM

did you really make a thread about this because you guys were arguing in another thread

 

no one cares, there is no such thing as a super fight, its all zuffa hype


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 12:41 PM

There are two definitions.

 

Super-fight: a fight between two current champions

Super fight: a fight that is ****ing huge. Super is still an adjective for ****ing sake

 

Weidman vs Belfort isn't a super-fight nor a super fight.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 12:44 PM

It is a super fight when one of my favourite fighters are fighting


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#6 Bubba_Sparks

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 12:45 PM

did you really make a thread about this because you guys were arguing in another thread

 

no one cares, there is no such thing as a super fight, its all zuffa hype

no, it's entirely coincidental.

Well if no one cares, no one will vote or comment so nobody gets hurt.

 

I'm just interested to see what people think. I like the idea that in 20 years time we can look back on a handful of super-fights; we're fortunate to be living in a golden era of mma.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 12:46 PM

Interesting thread. I personally think GSP vs BJ was the only real super fight that we have seen in the UFC. However, due to popularity of the fighters, and the sheer intrigue of Silva vs Diaz, I'd probably class that as a super fight too. Two good members of the division fighting doesn't suddenly make a fight a super fight.  

Couldn't agree more mate.  Your vote will count double.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 12:51 PM

Interesting thread. I personally think GSP vs BJ was the only real super fight that we have seen in the UFC. However, due to popularity of the fighters, and the sheer intrigue of Silva vs Diaz, I'd probably class that as a super fight too. Two good members of the division fighting doesn't suddenly make a fight a super fight.  

 

If Diaz loses he will be a .500 fighter in the UFC. If you want to label something a superfight then it should at least be two elite fighters. If we are going by just popularity and intrigue then Brock vs Couture was a superfight.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 12:55 PM

If Diaz loses he will be a .500 fighter in the UFC. If you want to label something a superfight then it should at least be two elite fighters. If we are going by just popularity and intrigue then Brock vs Couture was a superfight.

I see your point about his UFC record not being great, and lets be honest, Diaz is always going to be a guy that causes a split of opinion; but honestly this fight is HUGE. For me it definitely qualifies as a super fight. 


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 01:08 PM

It is a super fight when one of my favourite fighters are fighting

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 01:29 PM

I see your point about his UFC record not being great, and lets be honest, Diaz is always going to be a guy that causes a split of opinion; but honestly this fight is HUGE. For me it definitely qualifies as a super fight. 

A 7-6 ufc fighter vs a guy who is past his prime, is 0-2 in his last 2, and is coming off of a long layoff due to a nasty injury. Combined record of their last 4 fights is 0-4. Anderson will be over 2 years removed from his last win and Diaz will be over 3.

 

It's a has been vs a never was and people are buying up those wolf tickets.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 01:34 PM

A 7-6 ufc fighter vs a guy who is past his prime, is 0-2 in his last 2, and is coming off of a long layoff due to a nasty injury. Combined record of their last 4 fights is 0-4. Anderson will be over 2 years removed from his last win and Diaz will be over 3.

 

It's a has been vs a never was and people are buying up those wolf tickets.

Well these are all facts, and talking from a rational stand-point. I will not pretend that I'm thinking rationally, I'm just allowing myself to get excited for a fight I (and a lot of people) never thought I would see, and one that is extremely exciting for me. It will likely draw super fight numbers in terms of viewings, and is without a doubt one of the most exciting fights in recent years. I fully understand your stand-point; I'm just allowing myself to buy into the hype that very, very few fights these days allow.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 01:37 PM

Couldn't agree more mate.  Your vote will count double.

 

i'm going to log in with my alts just to cancel out his double vote


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 01:40 PM

i'm going to log in with my alts just to cancel out his double vote

Why you gotta bust balls TUF?


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 01:43 PM

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 01:48 PM

If you like I can pull some strings and make your vote worth double too.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 01:55 PM

did you really make a thread about this because you guys were arguing in another thread

 

no one cares, there is no such thing as a super fight, its all zuffa hype

 

 

lol  nailed it


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 02:14 PM

EdGod vs Aldo was the only superfight the UFC has done to this date


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#19 Bubba_Sparks

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 02:17 PM

lol  nailed it

It's called broadening the debate.

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 02:19 PM

EdGod vs Aldo was the only superfight the UFC has done to this date

 

Hmm, i'm on the fence on this one.  Instinctively would have said no, but it fits my own criteria. Just have to overcome my dislike of Frankie to let it count.

Surely you'd accept BJ v GSP II as a s-f as well though?



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Posted 12 August 2014 - 02:56 PM

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Posted 12 August 2014 - 02:57 PM

A superfight is when both people come to finish a fight. 

 

The last UFC on FOX was headlined by a superfight. You might die before you see another fight where both guys wanted a finish as badly as Brown vs. Lawler.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 03:41 PM

A super fight cannot be as simple as two champions because a champion could be a one time deal or a champion could even have a losing record or a very mediocre record.

 

A super fight would be between two fighters considered near unbeatable and having proven their longevity not just unbeaten over a few fights.Then you have to consider the fights they won,are they legit fights or gimme fights.

 

An example would be Silva he is the exception here because he did prove a long unbeaten streak but the argument one i have always used was he was given easy tailor made opponents.It would be like giving GSP fights with guys who have zero take down defense,they would be easy fights.

 

Weidman is on his way to proving himself a super fighter but not quite yet,he has to face a few more versatile fighters.Then if he was to face someone of equal status it would be a super fight.

 

Barao was before losing considered a super fight prospect because he looked unbeatable.I cannot say the same for Aldo because like Silva he never really fought anyone who would try to take him down.That one exception happened when Hominick took him down and imo and many others would have defeated Aldo that night if not for the bell.

 

Jones is another in the same line as Silva and Aldo,he also looked to be that untouchable fighter until he was matched with equal size ,then he looked like a mere mortal.I can even go back to the days of Matt Hughes,he was simply bigger than everyone else at 170,then when GSP decided to put on added size he made Hughes look bad.

 

Point being there has been VERY few fighters anyone could give the status of super fight potential.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 04:54 PM

Well, first of all there has never been one.



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Posted 12 August 2014 - 11:13 PM

Well, first of all there has never been one.

BJ v GSP II?

 

Dominant LW v Dominant WW...surely that counts?



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Posted 12 August 2014 - 11:14 PM

A superfight is when both people come to finish a fight. 

 

The last UFC on FOX was headlined by a superfight. You might die before you see another fight where both guys wanted a finish as badly as Brown vs. Lawler.

I'm talking SuperFights though. Not superfights...

And i'm not sure they did want it so badly that particular fight, hence the outcome.



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Posted 12 August 2014 - 11:37 PM

A super fight must include two fellow top 15 BBC fighters going at it.

Trujillo vs Green would have been a superfight.

Geromi vs The Black Beast qualifies as well.

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 01:36 AM

BJ vs GSP is probably the only SuperFight in UFC history. I agree that it takes more than champion vs champion to make a SuperFight. What possible future matchups would qualify?

 

Aldo vs Pettis

Weidman vs Jones

Jones vs Velasquez

 

There were also several past matchups that might not qualify, but who cares? Silva vs Diaz won't qualify, but it's still an incredible matchup. Lawler vs Brown was a great matchup. One of my all time favorites was Crocop vs Wandy in pride.



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 01:52 AM

A super fight must include two fellow top 15 BBC fighters going at it.

Trujillo vs Green would have been a superfight.

Geromi vs The Black Beast qualifies as well.

okay, i need to 'fess up my ignorance...BBC? I'm guessing you don't mean British Broadcasting Corporation.



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 02:45 AM

Without "banned substances," I don't think Belfort is the fighter he once was.  It has been a very long time since he had gold around his waist in the UFC.



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 04:41 AM

List of old UFC "Superfights" (these fights were officially given the title of "Superfight")

 

Royce Gracie (tournament champion) vs. Ken Shamrock ("elite" fighter) - 4/7/1995

Ken Shamrock ("elite" fighter) vs. Dan Severn (tournament champion) - 7/14/1995

Ken Shamrock (superfight champion) vs. Oleg Taktarov (tournament champion) - 9/8/1995

Ken Shamrock (superfight champion) vs. Kimo Leopoldo ("elite" fighter) - 2/16/1996

Dan Severn (tournament champion) vs. Ken Shamrock (superfight champion) - 5/17/1996

Mark Coleman (tournament champion) vs. Dan Severn (tournament/superfight champion) - 2/7/1997

Randy Couture ("elite" fighter) vs. Vitor Belfort ("elite" fighter) - 10/17/1997

 

To me, a Superfight is match up of current or past champions, hall of famers, or otherwise marquee fighters one might consider to be "elite."

 



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 06:55 AM

okay, i need to 'fess up my ignorance...BBC? I'm guessing you don't mean British Broadcasting Corporation.

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#33 Bubba_Sparks

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 07:00 AM

#1 Geronimo Dos Santos
#2 Rumble Johnson
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#5 Abel Truijllo
#6 The Black Beast
#7 Tyron Woodley
#8 Marcus Brimage
#9 Mighty Mouse
#10 Yves Edwards
#11 John Howard
#12 Bobby Green
#13 Uriah Hall
#14 Michael Johnson
#15 Phil Davis

 

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Thanks man, i've just about spotted what they all have in common.  But what does BBC actually stand for? Black something something?

 

I'm such a noob.


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Posted 13 August 2014 - 07:04 AM

Thanks man, i've just about spotted what they all have in common.  But what does BBC actually stand for? Black something something?

 

I'm such a noob.

LoL Google images of that ish, you may like the result.


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#35 NoCakeForYaya

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 07:07 AM

LoL Google images of that ish, you may like the result.

Lol you bad man. 


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#36 Bubba_Sparks

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 07:13 AM

LoL Google images of that ish, you may like the result.


Ha,nice. Guess I've just figured it out then.

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 07:30 AM

Diaz vs Silva is a superfight
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Posted 13 August 2014 - 08:32 AM

Diaz vs Silva is a superfight

 

I agree because Diaz was a longstanding champ in Strikeforce (even if he has not held any titles in UFC).



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 08:37 AM

 Any fight that has nothing but BANG is a super fight.

 

 Getting to see Weidman treat vitor like a nursing home patient a priceless super fight.


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#40 Bubba_Sparks

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Posted 13 August 2014 - 01:51 PM

 Any fight that has nothing but BANG is a super fight.

 

 Getting to see Weidman treat vitor like a nursing home patient a priceless super fight.

No no no no no!  Then we have too many super-fights. And they ain't super if they happen every week.



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Posted 13 August 2014 - 02:22 PM

LoL Google images of that ish, you may like the result.

 

Ha,nice. Guess I've just figured it out then.

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Haven't even talked to you for weeks. I'm glad to know you're still rustled about something I said though.