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A Canadian Province Just Passed a Resolution for Universal Basic Income

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https://futurism.com/a-canadian-province-just-passed-a-resolution-for-universal-basic-income/

 

 

IN BRIEF
  • The four political party leaders in PEI unanimously supported the decision to establish a program that would guarantee all citizens a basic income.
  • A UBI could potentially decrease poverty, improve health, reduce crime, and raise education levels at a time when increased job loss is imminent due to advances in technology.
UBI FOR PEI

The government of Prince Edward Island (PEI) has taken a major step forward toward the implementation of a universal basic income (UBI) for citizens of the small Canadian province as state legislature has approved the proposed initiative.

The four political party leaders in PEI unanimously supported the decision to work with the country’s government to establish a hopefully successful pilot program that could lower poverty, improve health, reduce crime, and raise education levels. Successfully passing the legislation is just the beginning, however. They now have to bring the system to reality and successfully implement it.

Despite this challenge, PEI legislators are optimistic about the initiative’s potential for success. “People that are taken out of poverty or given a means by which they can survive and really thrive in life tend to move on to do great things in life and really focus on the things they want to do,” Liberal Charlottetown-Brighton MLA Jordan Brown told CBC News.

A TEST RUN FOR UBI

Universal basic income is a form of social security by which all the citizens of a given state or country are guaranteed to regularly receive a sum of money in addition to income generated from other means. The concept is a controversial one that has been the source of much recent debate given advancements in technology that are rendering many jobs obsolete.

Those in support of the system say it can help save on welfare administration costs, reduce poverty traps, and provide people with more autonomy through genuine social security. They believe UBI is an investment in citizens that gives them the opportunity to be more productive members of society. Detractors, on the other hand, believe that the program can make a state vulnerable to inflation, may erode private property, and have a negative impact on labor.

The legislators believe a balanced system would avoid these pitfalls. “The key to making universal basic income programs successful is the level at which the basic income is set,” Brad Trivers, PC MLA for Rustico-Emerald, said to CBC News. “Because it has to be enough so that people are not living in poverty, but it can’t take away the incentive to go out and work.”

As the smallest province in Canada, PEI is an ideal location for a pilot UBI program. Once implemented, the government will have a chance to evaluate the system’s impact and assess whether its benefits are worth the cost. No doubt many of the world’s other countries will be watching as well.

 
 
 
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WRITTEN BY AUTHORJune Javelosa   EDITORKristin Houser Website December 7, 2016

 

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I don't know how it works up there but in 'murica that would basically mean most of them will work one part time job ( & maybe hustle ) instead of two part time jobs. 

 

The burden problem is why i can't really get behind welfare much. I get the struggle and some need some help but i think for most their nature is to be lazy and expect a handout at the expense of others. 

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We're trying... God damn it we are trying !!

 

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If I lived in Canada I would call people crackas and honkies everywhere I went.  

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PEI is 97.4% white, is that how most of Canada is? 

Without knowing the statistics i would say yes. Black people don't like the cold and as a black man from the south i can confirm. lol

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If I lived in Canada I would call people crackas and honkies everywhere I went.

I do that already.. just have a tim Hortons coffee on you while doing it and you'll blend in fine

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PEI is 97.4% white, is that how most of Canada is? 

Not all of it. The big cities have black people, immigrants, etc. There are natives out in random places in the country. More than you would think.

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Yeah and I'm one of them.

The other 12 ain't getting my money!

From what I gather, you have around 11% unemployment, and less than 3% black people. That is a lot less than other places in Canada, and especially other places in North America.

    

I didn't bother to study up, but is this something that's being deducted from provincial taxes, or do you have to apply for it personally?

    

One thing I want to throw out there... the unemployment rate will go UP. I guarantee you that.

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I don't know how it works up there but in 'murica that would basically mean most of them will work one part time job ( & maybe hustle ) instead of two part time jobs. 

 

The burden problem is why i can't really get behind welfare much. I get the struggle and some need some help but i think for most their nature is to be lazy and expect a handout at the expense of others.

 

Technology is going to reach a point where a massive amount of people no longer have opportunity for employment and a certain point we will need to do this or the poor will start killing the wealthy and taking their ****.

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Technology is going to reach a point where a massive amount of people no longer have opportunity for employment and a certain point we will need to do this or the poor will start killing the wealthy and taking their ****.

The rich will build a large metroplex where the residents are forced to follow their strict rules. No guns, no swearing, self driving cars, and the TP is replaced with three seashells. The poor scraps will be forced underground or sent to cryoprison. Everything will run splendidly as long as they don't thaw Snipes or Stallone.
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pei is a case where most of them are seasonal workers 

 

they fish / farm / tourist in the summer and for as much of the year as they can, then they either head out west to work or they go on unemployment.

 

so what the difference is between this and unemployment is I don't know

 

maybe it augments their old age pension when they get old and can't work anymore since most fishermen have no company pensions

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PEI is 97.4% white, is that how most of Canada is? 

Outside the cities it certainly is. Maybe not 97.4%. But certainly high. In Vancouver where I am from I think the Caucasian population is like 60%, at most. But you can drive an hour from there and be in a place that seems almost totally white.

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pei is a case where most of them are seasonal workers 

 

they fish / farm / tourist in the summer and for as much of the year as they can, then they either head out west to work or they go on unemployment.

 

so what the difference is between this and unemployment is I don't know

 

maybe it augments their old age pension when they get old and can't work anymore since most fishermen have no company pensions

 

Yeah, the place is pretty quiet in the winter that's for sure. I do a lot of work with the migrant immigrants regarding their housing when they come to work on the farms.

 

I also do a lot of rental work with low income spots and I am quite certain this system is not going to change their lives for the better. Time will tell I guess.

 

Also that 97% white thing has to be skewed. It looks like Asiaopolis up in here most days. Some real good ethnic food around doe.

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First, I don't like this concept. As with most high level socialism it will almost definitely lead to more people doing the minimum in life because they can more easily get by doing the minimum. An unmotivated populace is not good for the future.

 

But to those thinking it's just another tax other people will have to pay for, you don't understand how such plans work. Guaranteed incomes are not intended to be another layer of protection for low income peoples. That's because they REPLACE other programs. When UBI goes in welfare and unemployment would normally be done away with. But that creates another problem. The fact is there are still people who will spend all their money and neglect paying for food, rent and other bills. So what happens to them then? I highly doubt the government could just wash their hands of them and tell them tough luck. So then they give them more money anyways? Or at the least other forms of support? Seems like a slippery slope that is ignoring the level of true laziness in some people.

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Yeah, the place is pretty quiet in the winter that's for sure. I do a lot of work with the migrant immigrants regarding their housing when they come to work on the farms.

 

I also do a lot of rental work with low income spots and I am quite certain this system is not going to change their lives for the better. Time will tell I guess.

 

Also that 97% white thing has to be skewed. It looks like Asiaopolis up in here most days. Some real good ethnic food around doe.

Do they have weed in PEI?

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They can do it because of the transfer payments the west sends east. Basically the west and Newfoundland send money east so they can have all the special services their little liberal hearts can think of but can't afford.

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I think its an idea that should be looked into and PEI is a good place to run a trial. 

 

The way Canada delivers social assistance now is kind of muddled and unfair. Its an interesting idea to set a certain basic level of income and see to i that everybody achieves it. To my mind that simplifies everything. The vast majority of people will not need it and get nothing while the people who have the least will get the most. As it should be.

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Technology is going to reach a point where a massive amount of people no longer have opportunity for employment and a certain point we will need to do this or the poor will start killing the wealthy and taking their ****.

This is really the only reason that I entertain the idea. 

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Technology is going to reach a point where a massive amount of people no longer have opportunity for employment and a certain point we will need to do this or the poor will start killing the wealthy and taking their ****.

I know. I'm actually looking forward to that day. bahahaha

 

No but some things do need to be set straight. The gap is getting utterly ridiculous. I can see the middle class kinda getting wiped out.

 

I don't think heavier socialism is necessarily the answer but some is fine of course and really it should be relatively much more at the expense of the really wealthy. 

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I think its an idea that should be looked into and PEI is a good place to run a trial.

 

The way Canada delivers social assistance now is kind of muddled and unfair. Its an interesting idea to set a certain basic level of income and see to i that everybody achieves it. To my mind that simplifies everything. The vast majority of people will not need it and get nothing while the people who have the least will get the most. As it should be.

i think they have to make education free

Cagerattler, just about everything you say about politics and government assistance makes my head want to expload.

If your trolling, well done.

If not here is my two cents. (Both of witch I earned myself)

 

Do you know who I think should get the most? The people who earn the most. Be it through hard work, creativity, or dumb luck.

 

Also I think poor people should bust their asses and find a way to pay for their own educations, just like this former trailer park resident did.

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i think they have to make education free

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/01/03/new-york-takes-a-stab-at-debt-free-college-covering-tuition-for-families-earning-less-than-125000/?utm_term=.b849251850ee

 

ny state says they will make college tuition free for families making <$125,000

 

in the same way we once decided to make high school free because it is a necessity we will make college free 

 

times change and we have to change along with them.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/01/03/new-york-takes-a-stab-at-debt-free-college-covering-tuition-for-families-earning-less-than-125000/?utm_term=.b849251850ee

 

ny state says they will make college tuition free for families making <$125,000

 

in the same way we once decided to make high school free because it is a necessity we will make college free 

 

times change and we have to change along with them.

 

Wow, I really don't want to live in NY but I wouldn't mind getting a free college education.  A lot of the reason why I didn't finish college centers around not wanting to accumulate a ton of student loan debt. 

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For the government to pay for college they either need to take over the whole system or put stipulation of repayment for people that don't graduate. They also should stipulate programs that you can take. A liberal arts degree literally doesn't help you get a job or make more money so it shouldn't be covered.

 

I think that it's messed up that currently Federal and nonprofit employees can have their loans forgiven after 10 years if they regularly make payments and work at least 30 hours a week but no one else can.

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For the government to pay for college they either need to take over the whole system or put stipulation of repayment for people that don't graduate. They also should stipulate programs that you can take. A liberal arts degree literally doesn't help you get a job or make more money so it shouldn't be covered.

 

I think that it's messed up that currently Federal and nonprofit employees can have their loans forgiven after 10 years if they regularly make payments and work at least 30 hours a week but no one else can.

 

maybe the school shouldn't be charging for it in the first place. maybe we shouldn't be pouring public money into schools that do not turn out well-employed people

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The rich will build a large metroplex where the residents are forced to follow their strict rules. No guns, no swearing, self driving cars, and the TP is replaced with three seashells. The poor scraps will be forced underground or sent to cryoprison. Everything will run splendidly as long as they don't thaw Snipes or Stallone.

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maybe the school shouldn't be charging for it in the first place. maybe we shouldn't be pouring public money into schools that do not turn out well-employed people

I agree, I don't know if you went to college but if so how many classes did you take that you never used again? I had several that I never used outside of class and didn't teach me anything that I would use during my career. Those classes are only getting worse considering that they now have classes on hip hop culture and other pointless **** like that.

 

I know quite a few sales managers and small business owners that would rather take a kid out of high school and teach them what they need over a kid with a 4 year degree.

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I agree, I don't know if you went to college but if so how many classes did you take that you never used again? I had several that I never used outside of class and didn't teach me anything that I would use during my career. Those classes are only getting worse considering that they now have classes on hip hop culture and other pointless **** like that.

 

I know quite a few sales managers and small business owners that would rather take a kid out of high school and teach them what they need over a kid with a 4 year degree.

The tuition aside. My daughter spends upwards of 200 dollars a book for these classes and some professors make them.buy their personal book. I do not understand in this day and age where students are spending upwards of 600 to 1000 dollars a semester on books that could be uploaded online for peanuts

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I would like to see free tuitions to trade schools and more apprenticeships.

 

The irony of these liberal arts degrees is that these people end up over qualified for the service type jobs we create now.   

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I would like to see free tuitions to trade schools and more apprenticeships.

 

The irony of these liberal arts degrees is that these people end up over qualified for the service type jobs we create now.

Tuition for trades is around 1000 a year with books and they collect ei while going to school. They work 10 out of 12 months in between or 9 of 12 in some provinces. They don't need it easier, it's already easy, that will just flood the market with lazy stupid apprentice.

 

They should actually make it harder to be one. A red seal makes people think they know wtf they are doing and that is far from the truth. There are far to many people who skid by, foreign students who get translators to help theme out.

 

I would rather make it harder in the school aspect and make them learn how to make a wall square, or do a conduit fill so not to overheat a cct and burn a house down.

 

Screw easier, I want better trained.

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roughly defined the number of apprenticeships declined by 40% between 2003 and 2013

 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303978304579473501943642612

That's a huge gap there though and with the recession in 2008 of course there would be a huge cut in apprenticeship. When you need to cut bodies in a small company you cannot let go of the journeymen even if they cost 20-40% more.

 

What are the stats with the last 3 years where the growth has been huge?

 

They should push more for trades in high school. Not every precious flower will make it to college. Some are going to be plumbers electricians and Carpenters.

They are starting to do it more, in the city I'm in they are even teaching introductory helicopter repair, aviation etc on top of the trades. If the kids start in grade 10 and do a class a year, they leave high school with their first year complete and have a few weeks of on the job training already.

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