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Which option do you feel is most fair?

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  2. 2 (3 votes [33.33%] - View)

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#1 cashfl0w

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 06:31 AM

Vague poll with anonymous voters is not good enough. Votes of participating players matter only.
    
Frankly, we're not going to get into the argument of if it's your opponent, or if it's your actual fighter that pulls out. We'll be addressing FIGHT CANCELLATIONS.
        
Your voting options are:
      
1. If your fighter is pulled, you get nothing. Your fighter must enter the cage for you to be paid.
2. If your fighter is pulled AFTER weighing in, you get paid.
3. If your fighter is pulled within 48 hours of the fight, you get paid.
4. If your fighter has a fight scheduled, and it somehow doesn't happen, you get paid anyways.
      
^^Bubba, or someone else that I deem to be impartial, will litigate all of that, if we vote that way. Nobody with a Khabib Nurmagomedov, or a Cain Velasquez on their team will be making those decisions.


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Posted 04 March 2017 - 06:36 AM

The owner of the fighter that pulls out of the fight shouldn't get anything. The opponent that makes weight should get show money.

That wouldn't make you have a lot of extra work since it goes by the weigh in.
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Posted 04 March 2017 - 06:44 AM

The owner of the fighter that pulls out of the fight shouldn't get anything. The opponent that makes weight should get show money.

That wouldn't make you have a lot of extra work since it goes by the weigh in.

 

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 08:29 AM

No one is going to see this poll. In the camps league there is a link to the other one.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 12:26 PM

The owner of the fighter that pulls out of the fight shouldn't get anything. The opponent that makes weight should get show money.

That wouldn't make you have a lot of extra work since it goes by the weigh in.

 

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 12:44 PM

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Then why did you vote 1?
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Posted 04 March 2017 - 12:49 PM

Then why did you vote 1?

 

Misread, I'm good with juice's suggestion/option 2. If your fighter gets the show money deal.



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 01:20 PM

Option 2 makes the most sense to me, plus it aligns with how the UFC do things.

Over the past two years I've been stung quite badly by this situation and it would be good to have some compensation i think.


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Posted 04 March 2017 - 02:17 PM

Option 2 makes the most sense to me, plus it aligns with how the UFC do things.

Over the past two years I've been stung quite badly by this situation and it would be good to have some compensation i think.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 02:48 PM

Oh dear.. Are you just trying to get yourself excluded from the job of judge in these situations? Because I'm not doing it. I will not be trolling Twatter to determine report times, or any of that silliness. That's all you, guy.


It's not that hard. If a fighter weighs in, he gets show money.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 05:24 PM

It's not that hard. If a fighter weighs in, he gets show money.

Right, but there are other options, and about 40% of us have voted. Just making it clear that if it's anything other than the simple options, I'm not keeping track of it. 


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Posted 04 March 2017 - 05:25 PM

Voting is now closed.
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Posted 04 March 2017 - 06:01 PM

How's voting closed? Only 7 members have cast votes...there's like 15 in the league.

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 06:31 PM

How's voting closed? Only 7 members have cast votes...there's like 15 in the league.

Wut n ternation. U trollin errgen


Because 2 currently has the most votes

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 08:35 PM

Because 2 currently has the most votes


That still doesn't make sense. 7 have cast votes. There's 19 members. We'll see how the other 12 vote. Little premature to call it a wrap right now

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 08:38 PM

I vote 2

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 10:41 PM

The owner of the fighter that pulls out of the fight shouldn't get anything. The opponent that makes weight should get show money.

That wouldn't make you have a lot of extra work since it goes by the weigh in.

 

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 12:58 AM

Oh dear.. Are you just trying to get yourself excluded from the job of judge in these situations? Because I'm not doing it. I will not be trolling Twatter to determine report times, or any of that silliness. That's all you, guy.


If the ufc pay a guy, he gets show money in the game - that's my proposal. What that has to do with Twitter I have no idea. It's reported the day after the fight.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 04:39 AM

If the ufc pay a guy, he gets show money in the game - that's my proposal. What that has to do with Twitter I have no idea. It's reported the day after the fight.


Dana said at the post fight conference Ferguson got paid

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 08:41 AM

If the ufc pay a guy, he gets show money in the game - that's my proposal. What that has to do with Twitter I have no idea. It's reported the day after the fight.

Somebody mentioned using Ariel Helwani or various Twitter sources. 

So what is the consensus here? We'll set the precedent with Ferguson?


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 09:45 AM

RadLad and Crangs agree with #2, but didn't vote, just commented.

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:32 AM

Somebody mentioned using Ariel Helwani or various Twitter sources.

So what is the consensus here? We'll set the precedent with Ferguson?

That's daft.

When the ufc releases the pay data, you will see that they've paid ferguson because he weighed in. In my view, we should just match that. Ufc pays them show money - they get show money in the league

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 04:20 PM

That's daft.

When the ufc releases the pay data, you will see that they've paid ferguson because he weighed in. In my view, we should just match that. Ufc pays them show money - they get show money in the league

It is done. Ferguson got paid. Precedent set.
   
I just don't want any crying from the peanut gallery when he fights at UFC 210 next month. lol


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 06:54 AM

I'd say 2 seems the fairest if your fighter weigh's in and either them or their opponent have to pull out after that then you get the show money.


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 06:57 AM

Bear in mind also that no one will have their fight pulled...and then weigh in anyway for the fun of it. So you could keep it really simple and say if your fighter weighs in, he gets his show money.

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 12:06 PM

How about once your fighter is announced for their fight, you get their show money paid that day in advance. That way we could go ahead and draft more people.

 

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 01:00 PM

Bear in mind also that no one will have their fight pulled...and then weigh in anyway for the fun of it. 

That's precisely what Tony Ferguson had happen this last weekend, isn't it??


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 01:10 PM

That's precisely what Tony Ferguson had happen this last weekend, isn't it??


I think what he's trying to say is no one is going to weigh in unless to that point the fight will or has a chance to take place. Tony said he didn't know til after weigh ins that the fight was off.

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 01:27 PM

The problem is when the fight is rescheduled. They get 2x show money because their opponent is a WCC? I think not.

We need a time in place for how long until the next fight. In the case of Phony vs Kebabs Atetoomuchov it's gonna be at 211 so I don't tbink Tony should pay for both

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 02:15 PM

That's precisely what Tony Ferguson had happen this last weekend, isn't it??


No. He weighed in to get his show money on the off chance he might still get a fight. That's my point.

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 02:18 PM

Oz makes a point that has made me change my mind and vote. Someone can potentially gain an advantage from their fighter being pulled due to a sick opponent.

Let's keep it simple and retain the tough luck rule.

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 02:26 PM

I'll make an agreement here. Cash already paid me 10k for Fergusons show money. If he fights within 4 months, I will not get another 10k for show. July 4th, will be the cutoff, fair?
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Posted 06 March 2017 - 03:00 PM

No. He weighed in to get his show money on the off chance he might still get a fight. That's my point.

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I highly doubt Ferguson weighed in without knowing his opponent was in the hospital with an IV in his arm, if Baldie says Khabib's team called him at 4AM.


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 03:00 PM

I'll make an agreement here. Cash already paid me 10k for Fergusons show money. If he fights within 4 months, I will not get another 10k for show. July 4th, will be the cutoff, fair?

I don't want you to have to get screwed. Whatever the group decides is fine. No deals yet.


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 03:07 PM

http://www.mmafighti...h-tony-ferguson

I highly doubt Ferguson weighed in without knowing his opponent was in the hospital with an IV in his arm, if Baldie says Khabib's team called him at 4AM.


They were trying to put a match together. Either way, I've changed my mind. It's messy.
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Posted 06 March 2017 - 03:11 PM

http://www.mmafighti...h-tony-ferguson

I highly doubt Ferguson weighed in without knowing his opponent was in the hospital with an IV in his arm, if Baldie says Khabib's team called him at 4AM.


Im just going by what Ferguson said on mma hour today

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Posted 06 March 2017 - 03:26 PM

Im just going by what Ferguson said on mma hour today

I understand. If he weighed in thinking they might be flying in Michael Johnson or something, then it makes sense. It just seems like the UFC forced him to weigh in basically to earn his check. Which is fine. And I'm okay with you getting paid for that, if the group feels it should be that way. 
  
The only reason I'm against making that the policy is that I know for certain the UFC wouldn't have given enough of a damn to announce if Cynthia Calvillo was getting a show check, if it was Cooper that didn't make weight. You know what I mean? It's putting a lot of honus on the UFC, which frankly, they haven't proven to be responsible enough to bestow upon. lol.. Their "policies" are very off the cuff, and on a case by case basis. 


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 03:26 PM

Also, let's remember the Manila card last year. They canceled a whole event a few days in advance. Then announced that they "compensated" fighters, which turned into some people getting show checks, and others getting paid for the flights to Manila, and that's it.


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 05:45 PM

Tough luck it is. It's brutal but it's part of the game. Anyone who picks DC or Rumble does so at the risk of whenever one of them fights Jones it may get pulled last minute
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Posted 07 March 2017 - 11:22 AM

Get your votes in, people. I'm closing the voting by Wednesday night.


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