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Posted 18 May 2017 - 03:06 PM

“There's other challengers in the division with more wins and on a winning streak,” he said. “This wouldn't be a super-fight because TJ is not a champion. He's just a 135er coming down to 125 to skip the line that other flyweight competitors have worked hard to climb.

“Now, if he was a champion, there’d be something there.”

 

 

As soon as he's faced with an actual threat, he tries to duck. He even mentioned fighting Benavidez again over this lmao. Before this when Garbrant wanted to move down, DJ immediately made friends with him. Mighty Mouse fights C level competition and goes out of his way to keep it that way. I guess he learned his lesson with Cruz.

 

This quote alone should knock him down the P4P list.


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 03:13 PM

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Looks pretty GOAT to me.


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 04:28 PM

Because he questions whether a guy who has never competed in his division deserves a title shot?
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Posted 18 May 2017 - 04:40 PM

Not entirely, there are much bigger reasons why he will never be in the conversation for the Goat. Ducking TJ is not one of them, however it is a perfect reason as to why he isn't making more money. People would actually watch him fight TJ, probably even a few would talk about it but nobody other than maybe his mom and dad will watch him fight a Tuf can or some guy they found off the street like he's been doing.

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 04:57 PM

Because TJ is the first legit contender in years and Mighty Mouses first instinct is to duck and cover despite, in all likelihood, a much bigger payout.



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Posted 18 May 2017 - 04:57 PM

“There's other challengers in the division with more wins and on a winning streak,” he said. “This wouldn't be a super-fight because TJ is not a champion. He's just a 135er coming down to 125 to skip the line that other flyweight competitors have worked hard to climb.

“Now, if he was a champion, there’d be something there.”



As soon as he's faced with an actual threat, he tries to duck. He even mentioned fighting Benavidez again over this lmao. Before this when Garbrant wanted to move down, DJ immediately made friends with him. Mighty Mouse fights C level competition and goes out of his way to keep it that way. I guess he learned his lesson with Cruz.

This quote alone should knock him down the P4P list.


I take it you've never seen him fight?
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Posted 18 May 2017 - 05:45 PM

Also because he weighs 125lbs he's behind every HW ever on the GOAT list


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 06:23 PM

When the division above you is only 10lbs and you won't fight there you can never be the GOAT
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Posted 18 May 2017 - 06:35 PM

When the division above you is only 10lbs and you won't fight there you can never be the GOAT

He fought there 16 times and went 14-2
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Posted 18 May 2017 - 06:38 PM

Because he questions whether a guy who has never competed in his division deserves a title shot?

 

Here's the top 10 at 125lbs

 

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Mclovin moreno surprises the world and sneaks in a submission win over mm, other than that hes relatively safe

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 07:01 PM

He fought there 16 times and went 14-2


How many times as champ again?

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 08:35 PM

How many times as champ again?

When he's one fight away from breaking a record it would be dumb to move up. He has a goal and it's to dominate his weight class. There isn't anything wrong with that. It's what more people should strive for. Guys like Cruz just have too big of a height/reach advantage.

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I though MM only got 1 belt? Or did the ufc retro him hisowed belts?

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 09:36 PM

When he's one fight away from breaking a record it would be dumb to move up. He has a goal and it's to dominate his weight class. There isn't anything wrong with that. It's what more people should strive for. Guys like Cruz just have too big of a height/reach advantage.


Agreed. But for that same reason he will never be considered the GOAT

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 09:50 PM

Agreed. But for that same reason he will never be considered the GOAT

I agree with juice. Break the record and then move up. Would be stupid to put a hold on the record to move up now.

That being said if he refuses to move up after breaking the record and cleaning out the division then he deserves a little shade.

He seems starved for fans and more attention, well best way to garner that attention and fan love is a superfight. We go crazy for that chit.

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 02:23 AM

I agree with juice. Break the record and then move up. Would be stupid to put a hold on the record to move up now.
That being said if he refuses to move up after breaking the record and cleaning out the division then he deserves a little shade.
He seems starved for fans and more attention, well best way to garner that attention and fan love is a superfight. We go crazy for that chit.


This article says TJ would go down to his weight class of 125lbs. He would still be fighting to break the record, except it'll be against TJ instead of a scrub no name

MM seems like he's scared to lose against Dilashaw and would rather take an easy fight that he knows he'll win.

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 02:28 AM

If TJ comes down to 125 and Johnson beats him then moves up and beats Cody or Dominick at 135 he's the goat no argument.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 02:44 AM

If TJ comes down to 125 and Johnson beats him then moves up and beats Cody or Dominick at 135 he's the goat no argument.

The odds of either of those fights happening is exactly zero.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 02:46 AM

The odds of either of those fights happening is exactly zero.

 

I give him more than that lol not much but a little more.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 02:51 AM

If TJ comes down to 125 and Johnson beats him then moves up and beats Cody or Dominick at 135 he's the goat no argument.


He's afraid to fight TJ at 125lbs, what on Earth makes you think he'll man up and fight Dom or Cody at 135?

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 02:52 AM

He's afraid to fight TJ at 125lbs, what on Earth makes you think he'll man up and fight Dom or Cody at 135?

 

I get why he doesn't want to fight TJ right now zero to gain everything to lose. If TJ beats Cody then he would take the fight.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 03:01 AM

I get why he doesn't want to fight TJ right now zero to gain everything to lose. If TJ beats Cody then he would take the fight.


0 to gain? Hope about a credible title defense? How about some public interest in one of his fights for once? How about breaking the title defense record?

What am I saying, let him fight Joe B for the forth time instead......

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 03:08 AM

0 to gain? Hope about a credible title defense? How about some public interest in one of his fights for once? How about breaking the title defense record?

What am I saying, let him fight Joe B for the forth time instead......

 

Sorry I should say the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

 

Take out Tim Elliot who I think should be higher on the list and the last guys he's fought have been ranked 1, 2 and 4. I get the prospect of a fight with TJ is more exciting and would generate more interest but you can't claim the top guys in his own division aren't credible contenders.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 03:14 AM

Sorry I should say the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
 
Take out Tim Elliot who I think should be higher on the list and the last guys he's fought have been ranked 1, 2 and 4. I get the prospect of a fight with TJ is more exciting and would generate more interest but you can't claim the top guys in his own division aren't credible contenders.


If he beats TJ and breaks the record at the same time the juice would be worth the squeeze. He'll gain some popularity for once.

It doesn't matter that guys are ranked 1,2,3,4,5 in that division. It's weak. There's no dominant fighter at 125 aside from MM. At 135 you have multiple dominant fighters (TJ, Cody, Dom). At 145 you have multiple dominant fighters (Conor, Aldo, Mendes, Franky, Holloway). At 155 you have multiple dominant fighters (Conor, Khabib, Tony, Alvarez, RDA, etc).

Do you see what I'm getting at here? The division is thin, not because MM is that good, it's because the 125lb fighters are nothing special aside from him.

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 03:17 AM

A TUF winner was his hardest title defense. That division shouldn't even be qualified for P4P rankings.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 03:21 AM

If he beats TJ and breaks the record at the same time the juice would be worth the squeeze. He'll gain some popularity for once.

It doesn't matter that guys are ranked 1,2,3,4,5 in that division. It's weak. There's no dominant fighter at 125 aside from MM. At 135 you have multiple dominant fighters (TJ, Cody, Dom). At 145 you have multiple dominant fighters (Conor, Aldo, Mendes, Franky, Holloway). At 155 you have multiple dominant fighters (Conor, Khabib, Tony, Alvarez, RDA, etc).

Do you see what I'm getting at here? The division is thin, not because MM is that good, it's because the 125lb fighters are nothing special aside from him.

 

He will know TJ would be one of his most dangerous fights, so he will want the max return he can get from it. I think he's going to want to get the title defence record first probably against Ray Borg.

 

Then we may see him pursue a super fight, Mighty Mouse vs. the winner of Cody vs. TJ. He is then going up in weight, facing the champ and has the opportunity to win a second belt.

 

The division is overly criticized most other fights are close just not when Johnson is fighting.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 03:25 AM

He will know TJ would be one of his most dangerous fights, so he will want the max return he can get from it. I think he's going to want to get the title defence record first probably against Ray Borg.
 
Then we may see him pursue a super fight, Mighty Mouse vs. the winner of Cody vs. TJ. He is then going up in weight, facing the champ and has the opportunity to win a second belt.
 
The division is overly criticized most other fights are close just not when Johnson is fighting.


You can't dodge a fight because you think it's dangerous if you're the champ. That's not how this works jolldan!!! You are saying it's ok for MM to pad his Championship run with cans and then want to call him the GOAT? Nope!

MM will never take a 135lb fight. I've heard him say it numerous times in interviews. He wants to keep defending at 125lbs until he retires.

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 04:00 AM

You can't dodge a fight because you think it's dangerous if you're the champ. That's not how this works jolldan!!! You are saying it's ok for MM to pad his Championship run with cans and then want to call him the GOAT? Nope!

MM will never take a 135lb fight. I've heard him say it numerous times in interviews. He wants to keep defending at 125lbs until he retires.

 

No I see what you mean, but TJ isn't even in his division. So he isn't ducking its as relevant a fight right now as Rockhold calling out Werdum. Now if TJ loses to Cody and decides to move down to Flyweight then of course everything changes.

 

Frankly I don't really know why TJ wants the fight he would surely be really drained at 125 and like you said MM isn't a huge draw to go down to and possibly lose.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 04:09 AM

No I see what you mean, but TJ isn't even in his division. So he isn't ducking its as relevant a fight right now as Rockhold calling out Werdum. Now if TJ loses to Cody and decides to move down to Flyweight then of course everything changes.

Frankly I don't really know why TJ wants the fight he would surely be really drained at 125 and like you said MM isn't a huge draw to go down to and possibly lose.


Ray Borg or TJ Dillashaw... Whose more credible as a title challenger (regardless of weight)? I think everyone but a select few dummy's would say TJ by a WIDE margin. Champs going up or dropping down weight skip the line, and rightfully so, they've earned it.

The reason why he's doing this is because Cody is hurt and won't be fighting for some time so he wants to challenge himself in a big fight

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 05:48 AM

Ray Borg or TJ Dillashaw... Whose more credible as a title challenger (regardless of weight)? I think everyone but a select few dummy's would say TJ by a WIDE margin. Champs going up or dropping down weight skip the line, and rightfully so, they've earned it.

The reason why he's doing this is because Cody is hurt and won't be fighting for some time so he wants to challenge himself in a big fight

 

How in any way shape or form can a fighter who has never competed in that division be more worthy of a title shot than one than the guy who is ranked 3rd in the division. Makes zero sense.

 

If he wants a hard fight he should fight Cruz that fight actually makes sense.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:03 AM

0 to gain? Hope about a credible title defense? How about some public interest in one of his fights for once? How about breaking the title defense record?

What am I saying, let him fight Joe B for the forth time instead......

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:09 AM

You can't dodge a fight because you think it's dangerous if you're the champ. That's not how this works jolldan!!! You are saying it's ok for MM to pad his Championship run with cans and then want to call him the GOAT? Nope!

MM will never take a 135lb fight. I've heard him say it numerous times in interviews. He wants to keep defending at 125lbs until he retires.

This is hilarious coming from a Canor fan

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:10 AM

Joe B>TJ

 

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:15 AM

If he beats TJ and breaks the record at the same time the juice would be worth the squeeze. He'll gain some popularity for once.

It doesn't matter that guys are ranked 1,2,3,4,5 in that division. It's weak. There's no dominant fighter at 125 aside from MM. At 135 you have multiple dominant fighters (TJ, Cody, Dom). At 145 you have multiple dominant fighters (Conor, Aldo, Mendes, Franky, Holloway). At 155 you have multiple dominant fighters (Conor, Khabib, Tony, Alvarez, RDA, etc).

Do you see what I'm getting at here? The division is thin, not because MM is that good, it's because the 125lb fighters are nothing special aside from him.

Casuals going to casual. Joe B is 10-0 in the division against anyone not named MM.

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:19 AM

How in any way shape or form can a fighter who has never competed in that division be more worthy of a title shot than one than the guy who is ranked 3rd in the division. Makes zero sense.
 
If he wants a hard fight he should fight Cruz that fight actually makes sense.


Because he's a former champ and the #1 contender in a more competitive division. TJ is significantly better than any 125lber aside from maybe MM. It makes all the sense in the world for him to jump in front​ of everyone at 125.

Cruz isn't ready to fight yet, the next best challenge would be MM.

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:21 AM

Because he's a former champ and the #1 contender in a more competitive division. TJ is significantly better than any 125lber aside from maybe MM. It makes all the sense in the world for him to jump in front​ of everyone at 125.

Cruz isn't ready to fight yet, the next best challenge would be MM.

 

TJ got KOed by a guy MM beat fairly easily.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:22 AM

Casuals going to casual. Joe B is 10-0 in the division against anyone not named MM.


What a lineup of guys he's beaten!


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:23 AM

TJ got KOed by a guy MM beat fairly easily.


That was the second worst stoppage I've ever seen in my life. TJ was getting up to his feet throwing punches as the ref jumped in like a true amateur

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:25 AM

What a lineup of guys he's beaten!


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You are still wrong that there aren't other dominate fighters. Who has TJ beat besides Barao? Mike Easton and Joe Soto

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#43 amunera

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:25 AM

That was the second worst stoppage I've ever seen in my life. TJ was getting up to his feet throwing punches as the ref jumped in like a true amateur

 

LOL he went full stanky leg like 3 times in less than 3 seconds


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:28 AM

Because he's a former champ and the #1 contender in a more competitive division. TJ is significantly better than any 125lber aside from maybe MM. It makes all the sense in the world for him to jump in front​ of everyone at 125.

Cruz isn't ready to fight yet, the next best challenge would be MM.

 

And?

 

He held a belt at a different weight class so he should get an automatic shot at a totally new weight class because you don't rate it as highly? Cole that makes no **** sense lol


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:30 AM

TJ got KOed by a guy MM beat fairly easily.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:32 AM

And?

He held a belt at a different weight class so he should get an automatic shot at a totally new weight class because you don't rate it as highly? Cole that makes no **** sense lol

Hey he went 1-1 with Raphael "I fight once ever three years" Assuncao.
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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:36 AM

Hey he went 1-1 with Raphael "I fight once ever three years" Assuncao.

 

Im a big TJ fan would love to see him get the win over Cody and then maybe set this fight up.

 

But as of right now he simply doesn't deserve the shot and it makes little sense.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:38 AM

I do applaud TJ for offering himself for this fight, it's a smart move, he has a lot to gain, and should he lose he could blame it in the weight cut or whatnot and not affect too much his status at BW. However, MM position is totally coherent, and consistent with was he has always preached, a fair awarding of title shots.


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:57 AM

I don't even know if TJ can make 125, 10 pounds is over a gallon of water weight. That would be tough for him to do.

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:59 AM

the ultimate ducking championship has gone too far


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