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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:09 AM

Seriously, the UFC is a fking joke. "Champions" who lie, cheat, duck, suck, and behave like animals in real life... Where did it all go wrong? Everyone is on the juice, everyone plays the fight politics game. They can't even advertise a card without half of the fighters pulling out for some reason.

Can anyone pinpoint the reason why it has all gone to shlt?
I know Dana doesn't care about fighters and just wants the money, but he's always been like that. It was already going downhill fast when the NEWFC took over.

What happened?
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:15 AM

Bellator took over.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:21 AM

Bellator took over.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:04 PM

Who knows, and frankly I'm not sure I care any more. All I know is the NEWFC must be **** bricks over their massive investment in this house of cards.....


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:36 PM

Fighters juicing/roiding is nothing new, m8. It has been like that like forever.

 

The only difference now is that USADA policies are catching them, thats all.

 

NEWFC is a joke tho


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:45 PM

Who knows, and frankly I'm not sure I care any more. All I know is the NEWFC must be **** bricks over their massive investment in this house of cards.....

Considering that they just bought the rest of the Fertittas shares for a $5 billion valuation I doubt they are too worried.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:25 PM

Considering that they just bought the rest of the Fertittas shares for a $5 billion valuation I doubt they are too worried.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:27 PM

shallow cards, too many cards, rebok uniforms, interim belts, loss of star power, 3 divisions for wmma, jon jones ruining his career, i could go on


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 01:59 PM

Seriously, the UFC is a fking joke. "Champions" who lie, cheat, duck, suck, and behave like animals in real life... Where did it all go wrong? Everyone is on the juice, everyone plays the fight politics game. They can't even advertise a card without half of the fighters pulling out for some reason.

Can anyone pinpoint the reason why it has all gone to shlt?
I know Dana doesn't care about fighters and just wants the money, but he's always been like that. It was already going downhill fast when the NEWFC took over.

What happened?

 

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 02:02 PM


Can anyone pinpoint the reason why it has all gone to shlt?
I know Dana doesn't care about fighters and just wants the money, but he's always been like that. It was already going downhill fast when the NEWFC took over.

What happened?

 

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 02:16 PM

shallow cards, too many cards, rebok uniforms, interim belts, loss of star power, 3 divisions for wmma, jon jones ruining his career, i could go on

Pretty much this.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 03:23 PM

shallow cards, too many cards, rebok uniforms, interim belts, loss of star power, 3 divisions for wmma, jon jones ruining his career, i could go on

 

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 06:41 PM

Considering that they just bought the rest of the Fertittas shares for a $5 billion valuation I doubt they are too worried.

They should be....



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 07:27 PM

And yet Donald Cerrone still fights anyone put in front of him, doesn't roid, and fights his **** off every fight.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 07:45 PM

The UFC has been a bit of a silly mess for a while
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 08:17 PM

"the ufc is swallowing boxing" joe rogan

 

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 08:50 PM

low quality saturation doesn't work, I care less about the events more now than ever,

it's like looking at a newly released music cd & hoping it has more than 1 good song,

coz you hated to spend the money just to hear that 1 song when you can hear it on yt tomorrow -


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:25 AM

The #1 problem right now is champions playing it safe, not taking risks, faking injuries, prolonging title defenses, politics, cherrypicking fights and producing boring/uninteresting fights because they don't want to risk losing.

 

The biggest offenders are DJ, Ape nunes, bisping and Woodley. Dana really needs to give these clowns a warning about this and start stripping them of their belts.

 

The 2nd biggest problem right now is that the mens flyweight division needs to be canned immediately.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 07:28 AM

And yet Donald Cerrone still fights anyone put in front of him, doesn't roid, and fights his **** off every fight.

People's champ!

 

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 10:35 AM

I don't even care or know who fights this weekend or next anymore. If it wasn't for the prediction tourney I'd care even less. As said up ^there^ somewhere. Too many watered down cards, too many injury drop outs and too many shallow divisions

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 11:12 AM

The day Vert joined coupled with Cole being banned(allowed Vert to feel like a big boy)

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 04:38 PM

I blame Rousey and McCuckold. All this **** started going bad when those two thought they were bigger than the sport and all the other idiots followed suit.
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 05:49 PM

the biggest prob imo ^


Exactly everyone has figured out that the way to get to the top is to have a loud mouth and talk ****. Plenty of guys are now shamelessly calling for "money fights" over athleticly meaningful fights. The belts are nearly worthless at this point. We have champs who are looking for "superfights" with other champs without having even defended their **** belt once.

That's the problem right there. The UFC chosing to cash in on frivolous twitter war **** for short term gains. That's the only logic in matchmaking right now. It's always been a factor but now it's just dumb. And it's kinda pathetic to see some fighters who really don't have **** talk and public feuds in their blood to try to play that game too at times. **** is terrible for the sport.
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Posted 14 September 2017 - 05:56 PM

I blame Rousey and McCuckold. All this **** started going bad when those two thought they were bigger than the sport and all the other idiots followed suit.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 06:27 PM

All the stars are to old now and the new stars are all whinny ****es or getting caught roiding, people like woodley and mcgregor will be the death of the ufc


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:29 PM


 

The 2nd biggest problem right now is that the mens flyweight division needs to be canned immediately.

 flyweight & womens mma , just not watching anymore, De Randamie/ Holm & Nunez/ Shev were 5rd disasters imo,

they literally look afraid to engage for what ever reason


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:40 PM

Were finally seeing mostly "clean" fights now which are making for some pretty boring fights now.



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Posted 14 September 2017 - 09:59 PM

... boxing has an opportunity now, but they are in no position to advance,

I can remember when Tuesday Night fights on the USA( Sean O'Grady) channel & ESPN's

Friday Night Fights (Al Bernstein) were the highlights of the week ...

 

The UFC has a niche, but it seems they are willing to trade 1 hardcore mma fan for

3 casual fans   Personally, I'm looking more forward to GGG/ Canelo than the Pittsburgh card.

UFC low quality cards are just a betting or DraftKing opportunity for me , it's mano y mano &

you get the result in 15 minutes as opposed to football or basketball or even boxing -


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 12:33 AM

Considering that they just bought the rest of the Fertittas shares for a $5 billion valuation I doubt they are too worried.

 

 

or perhaps the fertittas figured the new ufc owners are only in it for the short term and its only going to go downhill from this point so they decided to cash out while they can still make an easy buck

 

hopefully GSP can save this dying brand.  they have absolutely nobody else left to bank on after everybody got USADA'd, knocked out, retired, defected to bellator where all the legends fight, or decided to go make some real money in boxing and will surely never come back to fight in the ufc without a massive sum of money upfront.


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 12:48 AM

you know theyre floundering when their poster girls gets exposed and all but officially retired, so they bring in another person they want to be their poster girl, create a whole division just for her to be champion in, let her get popped for PED's again *surprise surprise*, have a fight called off cause she's a weight cutting can that cant cut weight,   and they still pretty much hand her the belt after stripping the real champ for refusing to fight a proven roider who shouldnt even be allowed to fight this year.    all because they somehow think she's somehow going to be the next ronda rousey who brought them in some short term dollars.  

 

how many times does she have to get popped before the ufc finally acknowledges that she's nothing more than a joke, and so is the womens divisions. put that chit on fight pass, or at least take 10% off the pay per view cost for each womens fight on the main card cause nobody wants to watch that chit


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 01:33 AM

Belts have lost so much meaning that's a big part of it to me.


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Posted 16 September 2017 - 07:44 AM

It all goes wrong in the peanut brain of the people who choose fighting as a career.You cannot be of sane mind,you have to be a bit of an idiot anger junky with a huge ego and very little common sense.Those who have a little more upstairs are likely smaller ,weaker so they cheat to even that gap.

This is not a true sport of skills,it could be but it is not run properly like a sport.The UFC should have stuck with the way it was,a barbaric event ,eventually it would have become just as popular,it was a matter of time was all.Trying to be some legit sport makes me laugh,it only suirvives as legit becuase of paid off politcians and corrupt agencies that allow it because the rere is money in their pockets.

 

Even when comes down to USADA,you can bet it is not on the up n up,the UFC still manipulates and runs it and holds the final decisions.

 

Instead of being that very rare barbaric sport,it is now a circus like event,no real organized theories or ratings,rankings just a promotion to make as much money as it can.


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Posted 16 September 2017 - 09:25 AM

It all goes wrong in the peanut brain of the people who choose fighting as a career.You cannot be of sane mind,you have to be a bit of an idiot anger junky with a huge ego and very little common sense.Those who have a little more upstairs are likely smaller ,weaker so they cheat to even that gap.
This is not a true sport of skills,it could be but it is not run properly like a sport.The UFC should have stuck with the way it was,a barbaric event ,eventually it would have become just as popular,it was a matter of time was all.Trying to be some legit sport makes me laugh,it only suirvives as legit becuase of paid off politcians and corrupt agencies that allow it because the rere is money in their pockets.

Even when comes down to USADA,you can bet it is not on the up n up,the UFC still manipulates and runs it and holds the final decisions.

Instead of being that very rare barbaric sport,it is now a circus like event,no real organized theories or ratings,rankings just a promotion to make as much money as it can.

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Posted 16 September 2017 - 12:54 PM

The sport may have evolved with caliber of athletes and fighters technical capability but it devolved into mainstream and when that happened it became a watered down shell of what it used to be. They Mcdonalds themselves by becoming a cheap sell out brand to get more eyes from the masses and the rest of the sport followed suit along with the promoters. 

 

1. Fighters that hand pick opponents and fight safe trying to build a legacy that no one cares for because you're playing it safe. 

2. Fighters that fight for points which created a trend of fighters having to do the same to move up the UFightCheap pay ladder. 

3. Fighters with the personality of a rock so they are copycats because they have no originality. 

4. Old school star fighters retiring, getting past their prime.

5. PED crackdowns meanwhile greedy power hungry NSAC gets rich and gets a hard-on bullying people for things like pot.

6. Teams tailoring their game plans & skills so much to fit each opponent and NOT take ANY risk. 

7. Hardly any specialist left. I.e. you know a thousand techniques and suck at most of them so u can gameplan fights to stalemate them to smithereens. 

 

This is why the Fertitta's got out while they could. They fully understand the brand they built is over the hill. If they actually believed all that jargon they spew about it's the fastest growing sport and it's gonna over take all the major sports they'd still own it.  

 

I lost interest in this sport. It's nearly dead to me. It's sad because i used to LOVE what this sport used to represent which was all about FIGHTING SPIRIT and the honor & heart to put it to the test to the fullest. Now this sport is soo fk'ing plastic and vapid. It has no pulse or soul anymore just like most things in American society that go big and sell out where they came from. 


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Posted 16 September 2017 - 01:21 PM

It all went wrong when Matt serra clipped gsp behind the ear. Prior to that moment, the ufc's poster child was actually a pretty exciting fighter who finished fights. That punch from Serra ushered in the professional gameplan Era and the poster child laid the blueprint for winning no matter what.

That simple moment created the environment in which the ufc would become so desperate for an 'entertainer' to break the mold that they would allow them to be held hostage and tear up the rule book for fair title fights and legitimate defences.
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Posted 16 September 2017 - 01:31 PM

It all went wrong when Matt serra clipped gsp behind the ear. Prior to that moment, the ufc's poster child was actually a pretty exciting fighter who finished fights. That punch from Serra ushered in the professional gameplan Era and the poster child laid the blueprint for winning no matter what.

That simple moment created the environment in which the ufc would become so desperate for an 'entertainer' to break the mold that they would allow them to be held hostage and tear up the rule book for fair title fights and legitimate defences.

 

 

part of it is not just defending  the title, but money

 

are u gonna take risks that might end up losing the fight and then fight for alot less money in your next fight,  or do you just do what it takes to win? money is a motivating factor. people dont like to get punched in the face just to entertain the fans. they have to make a living too.

 

part of the blame should be on the opponent.  you let your opponent take you down and hold you there and didnt do anything about it? all you did the whole fight was try to avoid the other guy, or land takedowns?   why should that be his problem? it takes two people to make a fight.   if one person doesnt want to fight, its not all on the other guy to blame just for working his gameplan and outfighting them. 

 

its not just the title picture, but thats where it happens most. and when people are in title contention. they have everything on the line, and money talks. 


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Posted 16 September 2017 - 01:37 PM

It all went wrong when Matt serra clipped gsp behind the ear. Prior to that moment, the ufc's poster child was actually a pretty exciting fighter who finished fights. That punch from Serra ushered in the professional gameplan Era and the poster child laid the blueprint for winning no matter what.

That simple moment created the environment in which the ufc would become so desperate for an 'entertainer' to break the mold that they would allow them to be held hostage and tear up the rule book for fair title fights and legitimate defences.

If i had to chalk it up to one moment that probably would be it. That and Condit McGregplan. 

 

That fight still rustles me. Greg almost single highhandedly ruined MMA. 

 

Strategist like Matt Hume, Firas, John Danaher etc. have a place in the sport but we watch this chit because we want to see a FIGHT and less of playful dance or worse a stalemate that turns into the art or fighting without fighting.  

 

Ironically the up and comer pre-lims & wimmen's MMA even without the finishes is still sometimes more exciting because they're still fierce and hungry to get after it and throw it all out there. 


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Posted 16 September 2017 - 01:44 PM

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Posted 16 September 2017 - 01:47 PM

If i had to chalk it up to one moment that probably would be it. That and Condit McGregplan.

That fight still rustles me. Greg almost single highhandedly ruined MMA.

Strategist like Matt Hume, Firas, John Danaher etc. have a place in the sport but we watch this chit because we want to see a FIGHT and less of playful dance or worse a stalemate that turns into the art or fighting without fighting.

Ironically the up and comer pre-lims & wimmen's MMA even without the finishes is still sometimes more exciting because they're still fierce and hungry to get after it and throw it all out there.


Once again why Cerrone is my favorite fighter. No **** given in how he fights.
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