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No plastic interim belts or tournament champions who has the most wins over people who have held the undisputed UFC title, seems like there are a lot of people on 6 but Randy Couture & Lyoto Machida seem to be the only people on 7.

 

 

Randy Couture 7

 

Chuck Liddell, Kevin Randleman, Tito Ortiz, Tim Slyvia, Vitor Belfort, Mark Coleman, Maurice Smith

 

Lyoto Machida 7

 

BJ Penn, Rich Franklin, Tito Ortiz, Rashad Evans, Randy Couture, Maurcio Rua, Vitor Belfort

 

Jon Jones 6

 

Lyoto Machida, Shogun Rua, Daniel Cormier, Rashad Evans, Quinton Jackson, Vitor Belfort

 

Alistair Overeem 6

 

Brock Lesnar, Fabrico Werdum, Frank Mir, Junior Dos Santos, Vitor Belfort, Andrei Arlovski,

 

GSP 6

 

BJ Penn x2, Matt Sera, Matt Hughes x2, Sean Sherk, Michael Bisping, Johny Hendricks

 

Dan Henderson 6

 

Maurcio Rua, Carlos Newton, Vitor Belfort, Michael Bisping, Rich Franklin, Murilo Bustamante

 

Maurcio Rua 6

 

Forrest Griffin, Chuck Liddell, Mark Coleman, Lyoto Machida, Kevin Randleman, Quinton Jackson

 

Matt Hughes 6

 

GSP, BJ Penn, Carlos Newton, Sean Sherk, Matt Serra, Dave Menne

 

Antonio Nogueira 6

 

Randy Couture, Tim Sylvia, Josh Barnett, Fabricio Werdum, Mark Coleman, Ricco Rodriguez

 

Fedor Emelianenko 6

 

Pedro Rizzo, Frank Mir, Mark Coleman, Kevin Randleman, Tim Sylvia, Andrei Arlovski

 

 

Is there anyone you can think of that I've missed?

 

Who do you think out of those has the most impressive list of wins?

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Jon Jones, 100% He beat 2 fighters on the list and quite possibly the only other LHW besides him to be undefeated if it were not for him in DC. Along with TRT Vitor and Rashad and Rampage.

 

Randy would be second and maybe GSP 3rd only because a lot of the names on his list are meh.... Old man Bisping, Matt Sera  :lol: , And Sean Sherk who only got the belt because he faced ****ing Florian and lost to BJ who GSP beat already.

 

Overreem and Dan would not be considered because they never managed to hold a UFC belt and lost a number of title shots. And Rua and Machida have been fairly meh during their UFC stints. 

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could have easily been reem if he managed to beat Lidell, Rua, or Nog in Pride

 

dudes a beast, just has had some tough go's.

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Jon Jones, 100% He beat 2 fighters on the list and quite possibly the only other LHW besides him to be undefeated if it were not for him in DC. Along with TRT Vitor and Rashad and Rampage.

 

Randy would be second and maybe GSP 3rd only because a lot of the names on his list are meh.... Old man Bisping, Matt Sera  :lol: , And Sean Sherk who only got the belt because he faced **** Florian and lost to BJ who GSP beat already.

 

Overreem and Dan would not be considered because they never managed to hold a UFC belt and lost a number of title shots. And Rua and Machida have been fairly meh during their UFC stints. 

 

out of Jon's list, 3 of them are new MW's, one was a MW when they fought, and 2 of them were well washed up

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could have easily been reem if he managed to beat Lidell, Rua, or Nog in Pride

 

dudes a beast, just has had some tough go's.

 

Machida also should have a win against Rampage but then again he shouldn't have a win against Rua so it balances out lol.

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No plastic interim belts or tournament champions who has the most wins over people who have held the undisputed UFC title, seems like there are a lot of people on six.

 

 

Jon Jones 6

 

Lyoto Machida, Shogun Rua, Daniel Cormier, Rashad Evans, Quinton Jackson, Vitor Belfort

 

Alistair Overeem 6

 

Brock Lesnar, Fabrico Werdum, Frank Mir, Junior Dos Santos, Vitor Belfort, Andrei Arlovski,

 

Lyoto Machida 6

 

BJ Penn, Rich Franklin, Tito Ortiz, Rashad Evans, Randy Couture, Maurcio Rua

 

GSP 6

 

BJ Penn x2, Matt Sera, Matt Hughes x2, Sean Sherk, Michael Bisping, Johny Hendricks

 

Dan Henderson 6

 

Maurcio Rua, Carlos Newton, Vitor Belfort, Michael Bisping, Rich Franklin, Murilo Bustamante

 

Randy Couture 6

 

Chuck Liddell, Kevin Randleman, Tito Ortiz, Tim Slyvia, Vitor Belfort, Mark Coleman

 

Maurcio Rua 6

 

Forrest Griffin, Chuck Liddell, Mark Coleman, Lyoto Machida, Kevin Randleman, Quinton Jackson

 

 

 

Is there anyone you can think of that I've missed?

 

Who do you think out of those 7 has the most impressive list of wins?

 

jones is best he demolished them, not only that he is the only 1 to have a win over a current champion. The only 1 to be technically undefeated and the only 1 to have a win over someone who is in the top 5 of their division currently., He is also the only 1 to have a win over a current top 10 p4p fighter He is also the only 1 to beat the current champion at that time on 2 separate occasions, Rua and Cormier.

He is also the only 1 to win 3 belts in the same division without ever losing.,

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jones is best he demolished them, not only that he is the only 1 to have a win over a current champion. The only 1 to be technically undefeated and the only 1 to have a win over someone who is in the top 5 of their division currently., He is also the only 1 to have a win over a current top 10 p4p fighter He is also the only 1 to beat the current champion at that time on 2 separate occasions, Rua and Cormier.

He is also the only 1 to win 3 belts in the same division without ever losing.,

Take out dc and that list blows. 5 fighters all past their prime.

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None are very impressive ,likely why they lead with 6.It kind of proves how shallow each division is in the UFC,the supposed top dog in the sport.Watching that Lewis fight last night reminded me why the HW is total garbage,

170 has long been the toughest division in the sport guys 190-205 fighting at 170 except in case of GSP he beat a punk Penn2x and Bisping a very average 185r.So if GSP had 6 all at 170 that would be impressive.

 

Jones gets ZERO credit for being a cheat,he may very well be a total can if not for cheating,nobody will ever know.His original fight against that deaf guy was not al that impressive,he was very skinny and fighting a VERY slow wrestler who never proved anything in the UFC.So likely Jones came away from that realizing that he could never be a champ at that point so turned to drugs.

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Chuck would be on the list if he hadn't recklessly charged at Rich Franklin with 5 seconds left in the round.  Btw besides Khabib how would we know who is going to be a future UFC champion?

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Chuck would be on the list if he hadn't recklessly charged at Rich Franklin with 5 seconds left in the round. Btw besides Khabib how would we know who is going to be a future UFC champion?

Lol, no.

Just getting in the cage with ace was where he was reckless. Franklin knocked him out with a broken arm dude...

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Lol, no.

Just getting in the cage with ace was where he was reckless. Franklin knocked him out with a broken arm dude...

 

I know... in 5 more seconds that fight would have been waived off and Chuck would have won.  He beat Randleman, Bustamante, Belfort, Ortiz x2 and Couture x2 and all of them except maybe Bustamante were juiced.

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I know... in 5 more seconds that fight would have been waived off and Chuck would have won. He beat Randleman, Bustamante, Belfort, Ortiz x2 and Couture x2 and all of them except maybe Bustamante were juiced.

Yeah, I actually looked chuck up when I first saw this thread. There's some serious legends on that list. Imo, chuck doesn't get enough hespect around these parts.

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I would be tempted to give it to Shogun as having the most impressive six. Remember im not saying who's the better fighter just who's got the best list of six when comparing size, weight class and accomplishments.

 

  • Always an under sized Light Heavyweight or at least not on the bigger end of the scale.
  • beat 4 former LHW Champs & 2 former HW champs
  • Most of the other guys have a case of fighting down a division on their list. Shogun doesn't really have that on his record since when he beat Lyoto he was the champ and they are very similar in size
  • Lyoto and GSP have it with BJ, Randy & Overeem have it with Belfort, 4 of the people Jones beat are now at Middleweight and Henderson has it with Newton
  • Plus Shogun is the only one of all 7 of them to have finished every one of those fights

 

 

Chuck would be on the list if he hadn't recklessly charged at Rich Franklin with 5 seconds left in the round.  Btw besides Khabib how would we know who is going to be a future UFC champion?

 

By that I just meant that they might have beaten that person before they became champion.

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Yeah, I actually looked chuck up when I first saw this thread. There's some serious legends on that list. Imo, chuck doesn't get enough hespect around these parts.

 

If it wasn't for Tito being a shook can Chuck would have had about a 5 year run as champion.  The first time Tito fought Ken they told Chuck he gets the winner.  He still asked to be on the same card and kicked Sobral's head off.  Then Tito started ducking so they made the interim title fight against Couture.  Chuck told Dana that he liked Randy and didn't want to hurt him.  He ended up getting destroyed.

 

The rematch and trilogy were two of the most brutal knockouts in the history of the sport though.  That rematch I thought Randy was dead.  He was unconscious twice as long as the fight lasted.

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I would be tempted to give it to Shogun as having the most impressive six. Remember im not saying who's the better fighter just who's got the best list of six when comparing size, weight class and accomplishments.

 

  • Always an under sized Light Heavyweight or at least not on the bigger end of the scale.
  • beat 4 former LHW Champs & 2 former HW champs (beat Randy the first ever double champ)
  • Most of the other guys have a case of fighting down a division on their list. Shogun doesn't really have that on his record since when he beat Lyoto he was the champ and they are very similar in size
  • Lyoto and GSP have it with BJ, Randy & Overeem have it with Belfort, 4 of the people Jones beat are now at Middleweight and Henderson has it with Newton
  • Plus Shogun is the only one of all 7 of them to have finished every one of those fights

 

 

 

By that I just meant that they might have beaten that person before they became champion.

 

What?  He beat Coleman and Randleman

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What?  He beat Coleman and Randleman

 

Oh think since they were right next to each other think I mixed them up lol still an impressive list tough.

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Well chit you said no interim champs.  However with Randy refusing to fight and trying to get out of his contract he should've been stripped and Nog crowned champ.  So Fedor is about to be on that list when he knocks out Mir.

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Found him!  Randy Couture beat 7.  Belfort, Smith, Randleman, Liddell, Ortiz, Sylvia, Coleman

Nice one I totally forgot about Smith.

 

 

Machida can tie him on 7 as well if he gets the win against Belfort at UFC 224

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Big Nog beat 6 as well.  Coleman, Rodriguez, Werdum, Barnett, Sylvia, Couture

 

Will add him and just remembered Hughes is also on six he's beat GSP, BJ Penn, Carlos Newton, Matt Serra, Sean Sherk, Dave Menne

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Machida gets his crack at tying Randy's record next weekend.

 

Do you think he pulls it off?

 

Or does Vitor get the perfect retirement fight?

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Machida gets his crack at tying Randy's record next weekend.

 

Do you think he pulls it off?

 

Or does Vitor get the perfect retirement fight?

Battle of the juiced up geriatric Brazilians.

 

I hope the old school juiced Machida shows up and dips dodges and dives for his win. But I expect roided Vitor will come out with a burst and catch the Dragon early of for a top finish.

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Chuck would be on the list if he hadn't recklessly charged at Rich Franklin with 5 seconds left in the round.  Btw besides Khabib how would we know who is going to be a future UFC champion?

franklin knocked him out cold with his broken arm lol

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Battle of the juiced up geriatric Brazilians.

 

I hope the old school juiced Machida shows up and dips dodges and dives for his win. But I expect roided Vitor will come out with a burst and catch the Dragon early of for a top finish.

 

I know I will be shocked if it goes the distance.

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Well chit you said no interim champs.  However with Randy refusing to fight and trying to get out of his contract he should've been stripped and Nog crowned champ.  So Fedor is about to be on that list when he knocks out Mir.

 

You called it.

 

Fedor joins the list as well now just one more champ of tying Randy's record.

 

Fedor Emelianenko 6

 

Pedro Rizzo, Frank Mir, Mark Coleman, Kevin Randleman, Tim Sylvia, Andrei Arlovski

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Jones beat so many has-beens it's not funny, DC was the only guy kinda close to his prime and even he's like 40

ok Ill bite....

 

WTF you on about?

 

Ill ignore OSP coz he chit.

 

We got Gus in his prime.

 

Glover at 34 in his 6th UFC fight

 

Sonnen after chael had just fought for the middleweight title.

 

Vitor when he was fully juiced and after the fight was beating Rockhold, Bisping and Henderson. 1 fight before Jones he was beating Rumble. And still had a middleweight title fight to have.

 

Machida when aged 31

 

Shogun when aged 29

 

Took Baders 0

 

So what's you interpretation of has been? I get that some of them were comfortably in there career as a fighter and previous bouts and wars could effect longevity. But IMO listed above were far from has been. You could argue Quinton was finished and perhaps Suga to a lesser extent.

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ok Ill bite....

 

WTF you on about?

 

Ill ignore OSP coz he chit.

 

We got Gus in his prime.

 

Glover at 34 in his 6th UFC fight

 

Sonnen after chael had just fought for the middleweight title.

 

Vitor when he was fully juiced and after the fight was beating Rockhold, Bisping and Henderson. 1 fight before Jones he was beating Rumble. And still had a middleweight title fight to have.

 

Machida when aged 31

 

Shogun when aged 29

 

Took Baders 0

 

So what's you interpretation of has been? I get that some of them were comfortably in there career as a fighter and previous bouts and wars could effect longevity. But IMO listed above were far from has been. You could argue Quinton was finished and perhaps Suga to a lesser extent.

Bro re read your post and really think on some of these names.

 

Bader is a can now in Bellator fighting other wash outs and cans.

 

Shogun was undersized and battle worn coming off knee surgery.

 

Chael/Vitor both middleweighs coming up and Belfort almost took his arm.

 

Glover while a legit contender also older and let's be real Jones eye poked and shoulder yanked him into oblivion.

 

Machida again vastly undersized and caught him with a choke.

 

Rampage lol

 

OSP lol and looked like ****

 

Cormier 1- coked out and probably roided out.

 

Cormier 2- roided

 

Gus- robbery

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Bigdaddy, ma man the statement was he has only tackled "has beens". My reply was when the fights happend I could only really call Rampage a "has been", going back as far a 2011.

 

How he beat them, where they fight now, what size they were or whether he'd been on the nose bag had zero to do with my reply.

 

Bader was undefeated and moved to bellator 6 years later.

 

Shogun was the champ.

 

Chael, Vitor and Machida all weighed in as LHW. And all jumped between middle through to LHW and HW.

 

I can't describe Glover as a has been at 34. I wouldn't call him a has been now ffs.

 

I see you agree with me on OSP, Rampage and Gus.

 

Are you trying to say that Bones is chit and lucky throughout his whole career, surely not? As far as im concerned Jons a cnut and juiced or not, he clearly is, has immense raw and honed talent when it comes to MMA.

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Bigdaddy, ma man the statement was he has only tackled "has beens". My reply was when the fights happend I could only really call Rampage a "has been", going back as far a 2011.

 

How he beat them, where they fight now, what size they were or whether he'd been on the nose bag had zero to do with my reply.

 

Bader was undefeated and moved to bellator 6 years later.

 

Shogun was the champ.

 

Chael, Vitor and Machida all weighed in as LHW. And all jumped between middle through to LHW and HW.

 

I can't describe Glover as a has been at 34. I wouldn't call him a has been now ffs.

 

I see you agree with me on OSP, Rampage and Gus.

 

Are you trying to say that Bones is chit and lucky throughout his whole career, surely not? As far as im concerned Jons a cnut and juiced or not, he clearly is, has immense raw and honed talent when it comes to MMA.

fair enough although I extremely consider chael and Vitor at that point has beens OSP and Glover never was and bader a gate keep at best

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since strikeforce and WEC both merged into the ufc, that should put GSP way higher.  Condit and Diaz were both champs. im sure there was a bunch of others as well but im too lazy to look.

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ok Ill bite....

 

WTF you on about?

 

Ill ignore OSP coz he chit.

 

We got Gus in his prime.

 

Glover at 34 in his 6th UFC fight

 

Sonnen after chael had just fought for the middleweight title.

 

Vitor when he was fully juiced and after the fight was beating Rockhold, Bisping and Henderson. 1 fight before Jones he was beating Rumble. And still had a middleweight title fight to have.

 

Machida when aged 31

 

Shogun when aged 29

 

Took Baders 0

 

So what's you interpretation of has been? I get that some of them were comfortably in there career as a fighter and previous bouts and wars could effect longevity. But IMO listed above were far from has been. You could argue Quinton was finished and perhaps Suga to a lesser extent.

 

Well Bader, Gus, Sonnen, Glover were never champs

 

Machida lost to Rampage who wasn't in his prime a year before he fought Jones and got a title shot with a win over 60 year old Couture..

Shogun was in his prime at like 23 in PRIDE

Everyone else was clearly washed up

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Well chit you said no interim champs.  However with Randy refusing to fight and trying to get out of his contract he should've been stripped and Nog crowned champ.  So Fedor is about to be on that list when he knocks out Mir.

 

 

You called it.

 

Fedor joins the list as well now just one more champ of tying Randy's record.

 

Fedor Emelianenko 6

 

Pedro Rizzo, Frank Mir, Mark Coleman, Kevin Randleman, Tim Sylvia, Andrei Arlovski

 

It's almost like I actually watch this chit.  Hilarious that Fedor was the underdog.

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That is a lot of roiders in those lists,makes the numbers extremely unreliable.

Even Forrest was a roider,kinda shows how bad the sport is and has been.

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Congratulations to Lyoto Machida who now officially ties Randy Couture on 7 the most victories over UFC champions.

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