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June 10, 2018

 

Americans continue to mourn the dozens of people who were killed and hundreds wounded by a crazed lunatic in Las Vegas on Sunday, and as is usually the case when guns are involved in a mass murder incident, the usual suspects are once more calling for gun bans.

 

“Nowhere but America do horrific large-scale mass shootings happen with this degree of regularity,” said U.S. Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn. “Last night’s massacre may go down as the deadliest in our nation’s history, but already this year there have been more mass shootings than days in the year.”

 

“This must stop,” he continued. “It is positively infuriating that my colleagues in Congress are so afraid of the gun industry that they pretend there aren’t public policy responses to this epidemic. There are, and the thoughts and prayers of politicians are cruelly hollow if they are paired with continued legislative indifference. It’s time for Congress to get off its **** and do something.”

 

Of course, to Democrats, the only ‘appropriate’ “public policy response” is to ban something — unwanted speech, guns, Trump supporters, and now, most likely, country music festivals in Vegas.

 

But isn’t it curious that in the face of a real epidemic that has killed more people than guns ever could — the opioid epidemic — none of these would-be authoritarians are calling for any bans on Big Pharma. (Related: Democrats waste NO time politicizing Las Vegas shooting in quest to ban ALL guns.)

 

As reported by Natural News founder/editor Mike Adams, the Health Ranger:

 

According to federal statistics, opioid prescription drugs killed 33,091 Americans in 2015 alone. Estimates put those numbers above 36,000 deaths for 2017.

 

The death toll at the Las Vegas Mandalay massacre was 59 (so far). Though a horrifying tragedy, opioid drugs alone are killing 560 times more people each year than died in the Vegas tragedy.

 

This means that opioid drugs alone are causing the near-equivalent of two Las Vegas massacres PER DAY in terms of the number killed.

 

That’s obscene. It’s criminal. But there are currently no calls at all to ban this highly dangerous, highly lethal class of drugs. Could it be because Big Pharma is such a big contributor to political campaigns?

 

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks industry donations to political parties and candidates, Big Pharma contributed nearly $60 million in 2016 alone. In the 2014 election cycle, the figure was nearly $30 million, and in 2012 — a presidential year — donations were nearly $50 million. So in just three election cycles, Big Pharma contributed somewhere in the neighborhood of $140 million to political action committees, individual politicians and other political organizations. It’s no wonder everyone on Capitol Hill is going soft on opioids.

 

In recent days, as reported by The National Sentinel, the Trump administration made some progress in curbing over-prescribing of opioids, which has been a major contributor to the epidemic. A presidential panel, the Commission on Combatting Drug Addition and Opioid Crisis headed by New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, detailed new partnerships with researchers across academia, government, prescribers and patients to curb by half the amount of time needed to make available prescriptions that are not addictive.

 

“Over-prescribing can lead to excess pills falling into the wrong hands,” said PhRMA CEO Stephen J. Ubl. He added, “given the scope of this crisis, we believe it’s the right thing to do,” adding that it is “candidly an unprecedented step for the industry.”

 

His company will begin backing limits on opioid supplies to seven days rather than the traditional 30-day prescription cycle. And while that’s a good first step, it certainly isn’t a ban.

And no politician is calling for one, either, despite a mounting death toll that is so large it is overwhelming local medical examiners.

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I feel like I hear plenty of calls to do something about that too.

My pro pot friends most used excuse is that Big pharma is worse and should be regulated more.

 

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It's not big pharma, its irresponsible doctors, nps, and pas.

Aren’t they being paid by these big dug companies to recommend their drugs?

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Aren’t they being paid by these big dug companies to recommend their drugs?

I dont get paid anything. Maybe about 10 years ago pharmaceutical reps would come around to doctors offices and less so hospitals and push their medications. Mostly non narcotic medications. They would low key "bribe" doctors to write prescriptions for their brands by giving them sky box tickets to sporting events, take them out to expensive dinners, hotel stays, vacations, etc.

 

That pretty much stopped now. A lot of doctors and primary healthcare providers write scripts for narcotics because it's easy and you get a reputation so you get more patients. The FDA and DEA are cracking down and a lot in my area got busted and even imprisoned for fraud.

 

I only write a script for pain medicine for 4 days. After that, you need to go see a pain management doctor.

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I dont get paid anything. Maybe about 10 years ago pharmaceutical reps would come around to doctors offices and less so hospitals and push their medications. Mostly non narcotic medications. They would low key "bribe" doctors to write prescriptions for their brands by giving them sky box tickets to sporting events, take them out to expensive dinners, hotel stays, vacations, etc.

 

That pretty much stopped now. A lot of doctors and primary healthcare providers write scripts for narcotics because it's easy and you get a reputation so you get more patients. The FDA and DEA are cracking down and a lot in my area got busted and even imprisoned for fraud.

 

I only write a script for pain medicine for 4 days. After that, you need to go see a pain management doctor.

Where's tramadol sit in your opinion? Currently on 500mg / day for my inpinged nerve and AC joint bursa

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IDYB alt confirmed

Either that or a Soup Alt. 

 

Badum tss

 

I dont get paid anything. Maybe about 10 years ago pharmaceutical reps would come around to doctors offices and less so hospitals and push their medications. Mostly non narcotic medications. They would low key "bribe" doctors to write prescriptions for their brands by giving them sky box tickets to sporting events, take them out to expensive dinners, hotel stays, vacations, etc.

 

That pretty much stopped now. A lot of doctors and primary healthcare providers write scripts for narcotics because it's easy and you get a reputation so you get more patients. The FDA and DEA are cracking down and a lot in my area got busted and even imprisoned for fraud.

 

I only write a script for pain medicine for 4 days. After that, you need to go see a pain management doctor.

I hespect that. I have a lot of things i respect about your profession A LOT but the whole big pharma thing is a pretty big peeve of mine. 

 

I'm not one of those people that's really into alternative medicine but there's gotta be a better way than a pill for everything that is synthetically engineered in a lab when you could find alternatives to a lot of things with food, natural remedies and or leading a different healthier lifestyle.

 

Unfortunately a lot of that lies with people not taking better care of themselves to begin with but yeah a lot of medicine to me just seems like a band-aid of perpetuity because there is money to be had there but it doesn't fix the underlying problem which go figure there's not as much money in that. 

 

I'm not against drugs it's just sometimes it gets a little complicated and smells like to much of a racket to me that in some cases is doing more harm than good. i.e. there may very well be a better alternative then here take this pill with all these side effects and perhaps some long term risk and oh you'll be on this the rest of your life BTW. 

 

Again though some people have a inherited/environmental health issues it stems from but more than likely let themselves go so much that the drugs are the only thing that's real effective for them. The preventative lifestyle stuff just doesn't work because they're to far gone to reverse so they're stuck with the band-aid so to speak

I just don't like the idea of the band-aid being the first auto solution. 

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I'm planning to go to Las Vegas, get a room overlooking a concert, and rain down oxycodone, vicodin, and fentanyl on the crowd below.

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Where's tramadol sit in your opinion? Currently on 500mg / day for my inpinged nerve and AC joint bursa

 

That's a lot of tramadol. I usually only ever write or see 50mg given ever 4 or 6 hours for mild pain.

 

For a long time it wasnt even considered a scheduled drug (considered a narcotic). When I was working as a nurse in 2006 before I became a PA we didnt even have to lock it up. Same thing with Lyrica and clonipin. Then came people taking 50 or 60 or even 70 pills at a time of tramadol and the others, and then we had to start locking them up and "counting" them at the end of the shift.

 

Tramadol has a very small amount of opiates in it I believe and that's why people take so many of them.

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Adding to this from my nursing experience, I worked in long term care and dealt the drugs out everyday. I've seen so many elderly people in their 70s, 80s, and 90s that are literally addicted to pain pills or fentanyl patches, mostly the pills.

 

Doctors will write a script for two 5/325 percs every four hours as needed for someone with a knee replacement. These patients will be on that call bell soon as the 4 hours is up and wanting their next dose with literally no sign of pain.

 

I remember my one patient who was on percs, tramadol, lyrica, ambien, and ativan AND had a 75mcg fentanyl patch. She admitted she was addicted and she was 80ish years old. She would literally sweat and start to shake if she didnt have her percs or lyrics right on the dot. She came right out and said that her doctor just kept throwing pills at her instead of sending her to a pain management doctor or a back specialist that dealt with her issue.

 

 

I also worked a brief stint in a drug rehab facility for a few months while in school for chemistry/pa. I have some good stories about that place too but let me tell you that the worst withdrawal is alcohol. If you want to see someone literally fight dying, be around an alcoholic who is going through withdrawals even more so than heroin addicts.

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This just happened in the past few years in my area. I knew this doctor:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/wnep.com/2016/03/10/schuylkill-county-doctor-sentenced-to-prison/amp/

 

 

And here's another from last year, I knew this one was going to be busted because he would prescribe Adipex like candy:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/wnep.com/2017/12/21/doctor-from-mount-carmel-arrested/amp/

 

 

 

My area is really bad with pill mills and opiate problems.

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Where's tramadol sit in your opinion? Currently on 500mg / day for my inpinged nerve and AC joint bursa

 

500 mg per day?!

 

Jesus Christ man that is way too much.  I could take 100 mg a day but I choose not to despite having numerous injuries.  I take 75 mg daily because my neck and back are messed up from that interstate pile up.  Now I'm dealing with a lower abdominal strain and I still refuse to go above 1 and a half 50 mg pills per day.  I would like to get down to just 50 mg but I can't make at the moment. 

 

Sunday night I worked 8 hours and had to use 2 hours of paid time to leave early.  Yesterday I didn't work at all taking voluntary time off and tonight I managed 7 hours before vto was offered and I took it immediately.  You are taking over 6 times what I'm taking per day.  You need to get that intake down or you'll never get off it.  I don't know how you even manage to take a chit on that much daily.

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500 mg per day?!

 

Jesus Christ man that is way too much. I could take 100 mg a day but I choose not to despite having numerous injuries. I take 75 mg daily because my neck and back are messed up from that interstate pile up. Now I'm dealing with a lower abdominal strain and I still refuse to go above 1 and a half 50 mg pills per day. I would like to get down to just 50 mg but I can't make at the moment.

 

Sunday night I worked 8 hours and had to use 2 hours of paid time to leave early. Yesterday I didn't work at all taking voluntary time off and tonight I managed 7 hours before vto was offered and I took it immediately. You are taking over 6 times what I'm taking per day. You need to get that intake down or you'll never get off it. I don't know how you even manage to take a chit on that much daily.

they're 125mg caps and i was told to have 2tablets twice daily. they mess with my sleep so i have valerian tea before i crash to balance it. my nerve in my shoulder is brootal when it flares up

 

its not every day, been the last 6 days after a massive flare up. dropped to half that today because i drive a truck for like 10+ hours/day at the moment for work

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I'm planning to go to Las Vegas, get a room overlooking a concert, and rain down oxycodone, vicodin, and fentanyl on the crowd below.

 

Please Ban.

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I'm planning to go to Las Vegas, get a room overlooking a concert, and rain down oxycodone, vicodin, and fentanyl on the crowd below.

It's all Trump's fault, am I right, Grandpa Snowflake?!

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Something worth noting is the crime associated with people who abuse opiates. I mean, if you just compare gun-related fatalities to opiate-related fatalities, it's a little deceiving.

 

How many cars were broken into becauae an addict wanted to steal the stereo or the change in the center console verdus every opiate related death? A thousand? How many houses were broken into? How many bikes were stolen?

 

I can't say I really give a **** if some drug addict dies of an overdose, I'm not sure what they really could contribute to society. Someone, almost certainly someone high on heroin, broke into my truck a few weeks ago and stole some power tools that I was going to use the start building some furniture or whatever. A Makita drill, a circular saw and a few other things. Do you think I give a **** if that person dies?

 

If you're only comparing opiate deaths versus gun deaths, you're not really assessing the problem.

 

Gun deaths are usually tragic (not always.)

 

Overdoses on drugs, while occasionally sad to a very small handful of people, is usually a solution to a lot of problems, as well as a prevention for future problems.

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Something worth noting is the crime associated with people who abuse opiates. I mean, if you just compare gun-related fatalities to opiate-related fatalities, it's a little deceiving.

 

How many cars were broken into becauae an addict wanted to steal the stereo or the change in the center console verdus every opiate related death? A thousand? How many houses were broken into? How many bikes were stolen?

 

I can't say I really give a **** if some drug addict dies of an overdose, I'm not sure what they really could contribute to society. Someone, almost certainly someone high on heroin, broke into my truck a few weeks ago and stole some power tools that I was going to use the start building some furniture or whatever. A Makita drill, a circular saw and a few other things. Do you think I give a **** if that person dies?

 

If you're only comparing opiate deaths versus gun deaths, you're not really assessing the problem.

 

Gun deaths are usually tragic (not always.)

 

Overdoses on drugs, while occasionally sad to a very small handful of people, is usually a solution to a lot of problems, as well as a prevention for future problems.

Says the guy who openly admits to irresponsibly plying people with drinks knowing they are intoxicated just to squeeze a few bucks tips from them. Holierthanthousoup

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Says the guy who openly admits to irresponsibly plying people with drinks knowing they are intoxicated just to squeeze a few bucks tips from them. Holierthanthousoup

That's not what I do. I never said I did anything like that, you're trying to misrepresent me so that you can make your point. That's weak, bro.

 

I never, ever take advantage of an intoxicated guest. I don't do shady or dishonest things.

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It's all Trump's fault, am I right, Grandpa Snowflake?!

If I was Grandpa Snowflake I'd be retired and playing tennis!

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If I was Grandpa Snowflake I'd be retired and playing tennis!

Retired and crying about Trump all day is worse for your heart though.

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I'm not sure what they really could contribute to society. 

Do you not see the irony in your post? Not even just a little?

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I have a job. I buy things. I pay taxes. There is no irony.

You serve alcohol to drunks. You are like a legal pill pusher. Your whole profession could disappear from society and there would be very few people on the planet who would give a ****.

 

There are plenty of Doctors, nurses, people in manufacturing, trades, farming and every other profession that are addicted to opiods and other hard drugs. The have jobs, buy things and pay A **** LOAD MORE TAXES THAN YOU, but you dont think they contribute to society and you do?

 

 

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You serve alcohol to drunks. You are like a legal pill pusher. Your whole profession could disappear from society and there would be very few people on the planet who would give a ****.

 

There are plenty of Doctors, nurses, people in manufacturing, trades, farming and every other profession that are addicted to opiods and other hard drugs. The have jobs, buy things and pay A **** LOAD MORE TAXES THAN YOU, but you dont think they contribute to society and you do?

 

 

Well, there are also plenty of people that pay a boatload more taxes than you, for that matter. And there are other people that paid boatload more taxes than them. That's excellent.

 

Obviously I'm talking about the vast majority of opium addicts, which are decidedly not on this list of professionals which you have pointlessly assembled for me, you weird ****ing idiot who hates a stranger over the Internet.

 

But if you really want me to go over that list...

 

Doctors and nurses and the entire medical community place the single largest financial burden on the vast majority of families in this country. Far more than the cost of housing, far more than the cost of transportation or even the cost of food.

 

I would argue that's the opposite of contribution.

 

 

And while I love to eat vegetables, the vast majority of farmers are subsidized by the government. Additionally, the shocking majority of those in agriculture employ illegal immigrants at wages below minimum wage, who are then further subsidized by the government by taking all sorts of assistance, welfare housing and the like.

 

I'd say that leaves me plenty of room to make the argument that I contribute more than the captains of this industry.

 

You mentioned manufacturing, and our government a few years ago bailed out the "Big Three." Truthfully, that's an industry thats been subsidized for a long time.

 

And while those who work on the assembly line cannot be held responsible for that, their "achievement" of a mostly steady job of high wages and medical insurance is more luck than hard work or talent. I certainly envy them. I'm not going to give them credit, though. There are fortunate to have an easy, steady, high-paying job. I don't owe them credit.

 

Now when you factor in the ****es who perform these jobs while high on drugs, there is no question that these ****ers are drains on society.

-What about when you factor in work-related injuries where opiate use was involved, whether it was discovered or not?

- what about when you factor in poor craftsmanship or waste or items that need to be recalled?

- what about when you factor in reduced productivity because of drug use?

- what about when you factor in things that could never even be calculated, like the impact it has been the lives of the people they share homes with?

 

 

No my friend, you can try and try to find all these people that you consider "better" than me, but that doesn't take anything away from my argument. I serve drinks to people, I don't really like my job and I'm not particularly proud of it. I'm not ashamed of it, either. I'm not a drain on society in the least. I may not have the biggest impact, but my impact is a plus and not a minus.

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The people who get a DUI on their way home certainly agree that you had a positive impact on their life.

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Doctors and nurses and the entire medical community place the single largest financial burden on the vast majority of families in this country. Far more than the cost of housing, far more than the cost of transportation or even the cost of food.

 

I would argue that's the opposite of contribution.

 

 

And while I love to eat vegetables, the vast majority of farmers are subsidized by the government. Additionally, the shocking majority of those in agriculture employ illegal immigrants at wages below minimum wage, who are then further subsidized by the government by taking all sorts of assistance, welfare housing and the like.

 

I'd say that leaves me plenty of room to make the argument that I contribute more than the captains of this industry.

 

 

I would like to say I stopped reading there, but I had to see this train wreck all the way through.

 

You, server of drinks, minimum wage hobo contribute to society.

But you think Doctors and nurses are the opposite and do not because you have to pay for their services.

You believe that farmers do not contribute because some get subsides.

 

What do you pay in taxes a year Mr contributor? 5000$? Maybe? I would doubt you even pay that much honestly.

Doesn't matter what it is really, because you do not cover the cost of you and half of your kids for the services you use (Which includes your stint in prison) meaning you indeed are subsidized by the Government. So by your own retarded theory,  you do not contribute.

 

Its like MMA math on a deadbeat hobo.

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I would like to say I stopped reading there, but I had to see this train wreck all the way through.

 

You, server of drinks, minimum wage hobo contribute to society.

But you think Doctors and nurses are the opposite and do not because you have to pay for their services.

You believe that farmers do not contribute because some get subsides.

 

What do you pay in taxes a year Mr contributor? 5000$? Maybe? I would doubt you even pay that much honestly.

Doesn't matter what it is really, because you do not cover the cost of you and half of your kids for the services you use (Which includes your stint in prison) meaning you indeed are subsidized by the Government. So by your own retarded theory, you do not contribute.

 

Its like MMA math on a deadbeat hobo.

I take zero from the government. I have never taken any government assistance in my entire life. My children are not on government assistance. My ex-wife does not take government assistance in any way.

 

Let's get this little piece of information out of the way, something you might find inconvenient and nagging: Canada offers free healthcare to all its citizens. You and your family are on government assistance. Not mine.

 

So shut the **** up.

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I take zero from the government. I have never taken any government assistance in my entire life. My children are not on government assistance. My ex-wife does not take government assistance in any way.

 

Let's get this little piece of information out of the way, something you might find inconvenient and nagging: Canada offers free healthcare to all its citizens. You and your family are on government assistance. Not mine.

 

So shut the **** up.

If your taxes cannot cover your share of the services, you are indeed on government subsidy. Spin it however you want, your minimum wage job is like a giant subsidy from the Government because your broke **** does not pay enough in taxes.

 

I love my healthcare. Though one day you might get into grade school and learn what the definition of free is. My tax bill says healthcare is not free.

 

But do go on and tell me how Doctors and farmers do not contribute to society. I am sure Roids needs some good reading for his morning **** as you describe how he is worthless and its the people like you that keep the country together.

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I take zero from the government. I have never taken any government assistance in my entire life. My children are not on government assistance. My ex-wife does not take government assistance in any way.

 

Let's get this little piece of information out of the way, something you might find inconvenient and nagging: Canada offers free healthcare to all its citizens. You and your family are on government assistance. Not mine.

 

So shut the **** up.

 

 

bro u dont even pay child support. i doubt u pay into obamacare either

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bro u dont even pay child support. i doubt u pay into obamacare either

I am willing to bet his time in prison alone cost more to the Government then Soup will pay in taxes his whole life.

 

Oh btw Soup, during your stint getting **** raped. Did you pay nightly for your stay, or was the Government paying for your room and board? Kind of like a giant hand out from the government isnt it?

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I am willing to bet his time in prison alone cost more to the Government then Soup will pay in taxes his whole life.

 

Oh btw Soup, during your stint getting **** raped. Did you pay nightly for your stay, or was the Government paying for your room and board? Kind of like a giant hand out from the government isnt it?

This is so ridiculous I cannot intelligently address it.

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This is so ridiculous I cannot intelligently address it.

Of course you cant. You think your minimum wage hobo **** contributes more to society than a god damn Doctor FFS.

 

Intelligence is not something we expect from you.

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Of course you cant. You think your minimum wage hobo **** contributes more to society than a god damn Doctor FFS.

 

Intelligence is not something we expect from you.

^ Seriously, why is this useless idiot not banned?

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Would a guy who runs his own business and has a large family that mostly still lives at home be up past 2 o'clock in the morning arguing on the Internet? Would he even have time for that? There's no way.

 

It doesn't matter what hour I post, that dude responds to everything I say, any time, of day or night.

 

I'm starting to believe this whole personality and lifestyle of his is completely made up.

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Here's a fact, and you can look it up:

 

When I was married and lived with my little family, I only posted during the slow times while I was at my store. After 6 o'clock on Friday night, you wouldn't hear from me till after 9 AM on Monday.

 

So I don't buy this act. And if he actually does have a family, he should consider paying a little bit more attention to them and a little less attention starting **** with some guy he doesn't even know on the Internet.

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the only way to settle this is for soup and mozzez to throw down at SummerSlam in a tables, ladders and chairs match.

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Is that a photo taken from Soups apartment in an attempt for him to cover up a rape/strangulation ?

 

soup doesnt have an apartment

 

 

must be hers

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That's not what I do. I never said I did anything like that, you're trying to misrepresent me so that you can make your point. That's weak, bro.

 

I never, ever take advantage of an intoxicated guest. I don't do shady or dishonest things.

I'm not going searching but you have definitely said you knowingly poured for drivers
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Poured for drivers hmmmmm is that like the rapeugees and those who facilitate it? 1 things for sure if 3rd world back yard breeders had a prob with the over doses it would be fixed over night. Got to have global over population warming as no Western World country has the rabbits in australia problem.

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I'm not going searching but you have definitely said you knowingly poured for drivers

I don't tend bar in a Third World country. Everyone is a driver. Quit being obtuse.

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