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#1 ReturnoftheSoup

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 01:26 PM

I'm not calling for a disqualification or anything like that. But I think there's one heck of an argument for both a no-contest and an immediate rematch. I mean, for crying out loud, it's not a legal move.

If an ironworker was balancing himself on a steel beam 20 or 30 or 40 stories up, as they are every day, and he got poked in the eye, wouldn't you expect him to give himself a moment? There's no way he's expected to tightrope a beam seconds after being poked in the eye by a coworker.

If you were watching Netflix and you got poked in the eye, you would press pause. If you were in the middle of getting a blow job and you were accidentally poked in the eye, you would stop the lovely lady for a moment completely dismiss the romantic gesture for at least a little while.

Eye pokes are a big deal.

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 01:40 PM

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 01:50 PM

What kind of kinky hos poke you in the eye while they're slobbing your knob?

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 01:50 PM

I did think Stipe fought a bit dirty early but the right man won in the end


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 02:10 PM

What kind of kinky hos poke you in the eye while they're slobbing your knob?


Waitโ€ฆthat's not normal?

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 02:12 PM

Where is that picture of Stipe poking DC in the eye?  I can't remember if I saw it on here or not.  


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 02:19 PM

Where is that picture of Stipe poking DC in the eye? I can't remember if I saw it on here or not.

DC certainly played the Jon Jones school of distancing your opponent. But I did see one photo where they both had open gloves in each others eyes.

Ref could have deducted a point. He didn't. Fight went on. Big deal
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Posted 09 July 2018 - 02:24 PM

someone should poke stoupid in both eyes to limit these stoupid threads.
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Posted 09 July 2018 - 02:38 PM

DC certainly played the Jon Jones school of distancing your opponent. But I did see one photo where they both had open gloves in each others eyes.

Ref could have deducted a point. He didn't. Fight went on. Big deal

Which eye was it that Stipe got poked in?  I seem to remember the right eye, but am not certain


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 02:41 PM

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 03:08 PM

DC so bad he calls out showbum and brock the crock lesnar El OH El    Dude needs to retire before some jon jones dirt comes out concerning him........   I want lesnar tested he might cheat but i just won a fight cheating dc flipping bum.


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 03:09 PM

No one want's to see a rollie pollie play touch but he needs to go make cake eating videos for communist liberals.


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 03:58 PM

Which eye was it that Stipe got poked in?  I seem to remember the right eye, but am not certain

I wanna say it was the right, but im not 100% on that


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 04:13 PM

show me on the doll where DC touched you soup.

 

 

 

DC so bad he calls out showbum and brock the crock lesnar El OH El    Dude needs to retire before some jon jones dirt comes out concerning him........   I want lesnar tested he might cheat but i just won a fight cheating dc flipping bum.

 

 

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 04:38 PM

BTW, this chit has already been resolved a decade ago

 

2 eye pokes, 1 point taken away, its all you can do


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 05:09 PM

BTW, this chit has already been resolved a decade ago

 

2 eye pokes, 1 point taken away, its all you can do

Its like Check cup Kongo.
First one, maybe two are free. So why not take them.



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Posted 09 July 2018 - 05:26 PM

Its like Check cup Kongo.
First one, maybe two are free. So why not take them.

 

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 06:01 PM

show me on the doll where DC touched you soup.






I don't have a problem with DC. But I don't agree with how this fight turned out or the way eye pokes are handled in general.

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 06:09 PM

I'm sure it was an accident. Butโ€ฆ

...here's the thing with accidents. If you accidentally move a little to the right instead of moving a little to the left, you can get knocked out. And it was as much good luck for him as it was bad luck for you.

It happened in a split second and neither fighter really thought much about it.


If you actually move your arm a little this way instead of a little that way, your opponent could grab it and submit you in a kimura. He might not have been planning that mover setting it up or even thinking about it, but it just appeared for him. Good luck for him, bad luck for you.

Again, it happened in a split second and neither fighter thought much about it.

So maybe a fighter doesn't plan on poking someone in the eye. Well, maybe they should have had a little bit of **** discipline and kept their fist closed as they were striking their opponent, or it maybe aimed a little better as they were pushing them off.

It's a foul. It's always a fight-altering foul. You poke someone in the eye, no warnings, no points deductedโ€ฆ You should just lose. You poke someone in the eye, you lose. That should be the rule.

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 06:22 PM

That's a great idea if you want the UFC to go bankrupt.
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Posted 09 July 2018 - 06:32 PM

I'm sure it was an accident. Butโ€ฆ

...here's the thing with accidents. If you accidentally move a little to the right instead of moving a little to the left, you can get knocked out. And it was as much good luck for him as it was bad luck for you.

It happened in a split second and neither fighter really thought much about it.


If you actually move your arm a little this way instead of a little that way, your opponent could grab it and submit you in a kimura. He might not have been planning that mover setting it up or even thinking about it, but it just appeared for him. Good luck for him, bad luck for you.

Again, it happened in a split second and neither fighter thought much about it.

So maybe a fighter doesn't plan on poking someone in the eye. Well, maybe they should have had a little bit of **** discipline and kept their fist closed as they were striking their opponent, or it maybe aimed a little better as they were pushing them off.

It's a foul. It's always a fight-altering foul. You poke someone in the eye, no warnings, no points deductedโ€ฆ You should just lose. You poke someone in the eye, you lose. That should be the rule.

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 06:39 PM

you compared this to a ****, take that in


I don't know what you mean because of the swear filter.

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 06:45 PM

That's a great idea if you want the UFC to go bankrupt.

Nah, I doubt that. To compete at this level requires an incredible amount of discipline, training and drills. I think if fighters lost fights automatically from eye pokes, we would just stop seeing eye pokes.

I mean, for crying out loud how much discipline do you think it takes to keep your fist closed when throwing strikes? For every round we see in the octagon, there's 1000 rounds in the gym, whether it be sparring or hitting mitts or hitting the bag.

Could you imagine what would happen if you threw a punch at a heavy bag with your finger outstretched? You would break them. Have you ever heard of a fighter pulling out of a fight because he broke his fingers on the heavy bag by having them outstretched when he threw a strike?
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Posted 09 July 2018 - 07:31 PM


It's a foul. It's always a fight-altering foul. You poke someone in the eye, no warnings, no points deductedโ€ฆ You should just lose. You poke someone in the eye, you lose. That should be the rule.

For the MMA genius you think you are, and lets be real here, it is only you who believes that. You are **** retarded when it comes to the sport.


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 07:46 PM

For the MMA genius you think you are, and lets be real here, it is only you who believes that.



So you speak for everyone?

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 07:50 PM

So you speak for everyone?

In this instance, I could probably say it would be pretty close to everyone.

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 10:17 PM

It's a foul. It's always a fight-altering foul. You poke someone in the eye, no warnings, no points deductedโ€ฆ You should just lose. You poke someone in the eye, you lose. That should be the rule.

 

That sort of thinking only works at the amateur level.

End too many fights early and fans will stop buying tickets.  That's not good business.  Taking points is the way to go.  IMO, points should be taken on the first poke in many cases.


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 10:46 PM

That sort of thinking only works at the amateur level.
End too many fights early and fans will stop buying tickets. That's not good business. Taking points is the way to go. IMO, points should be taken on the first poke in many cases.


I don't think too many fights would end early, though. I think if the hammer came down hard on this ****, we would just see the end of eye pokes.

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 12:40 AM

we wont see the end of eye pokes til gloves are modded to curl the fingers slightly like in BellaGOAT
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Dudes just need to train eye poke defence properly.

 

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 03:20 AM

I think contentious to say that just because there was eye poke the victory should have an asterisk. In that case Jon Jones now has about 2 victory's in the UFC. Can even see Stipe poking DC at one point, I don't think either guy's was intentional its just part of the game and as long as the eye poke isn't debilitating and ends up being the cause of the finish im happy with it.  

 

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 09:53 AM

Dudes just need to train eye poke defence properly.

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 11:05 AM

Soup is mad that a white boy got BLACKED.

 

I just wanted to clear that up for anyone who is unfamiliar with Soup and is trying to figure out what this nonsense is about.


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 11:06 AM

Nah, Soup is a known cuck. He likes to see the people he loves get blacked.

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 11:13 AM

Soup is mad that a white boy got BLACKED.

I just wanted to clear that up for anyone who is unfamiliar with Soup and is trying to figure out what this nonsense is about.


The one reason I like DC is because hes the whitest guy on the roster.
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Posted 10 July 2018 - 11:24 AM

I'm not sure if this is widely known, but Ed O'Neill is a legitimate BJJ black belt.

Yes, it is widely known - especially here on an MMA forum.  


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 11:26 AM

The most annoying thing about eye pokes is these retard MMA fans only bring it up when convenient to further their argument. All eye pokes are severe or none of them are severe. You have idiots who will act like this eye poke isnt a big deal but Tony Ferguson gouged RDA's eyeballs out
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Posted 10 July 2018 - 11:27 AM

Nah, Soup is a known cuck. He likes to see the people he loves get blacked.

Yes, it is widely known - especially here on an MMA forum.

True dat

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 11:28 AM

The most annoying thing about eye pokes is these retard MMA fans only bring it up when convenient to further their argument. All eye pokes are severe or none of them are severe. You have idiots who will act like this eye poke isnt a big deal but Tony Ferguson gouged RDA's eyeballs out


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 11:34 AM

I just wanted to clear that up for anyone who is unfamiliar with Soup and is trying to figure out what this nonsense is about.


I just want to clear up for anyone who is unfamiliar with 12er that he is a foglet.
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Posted 10 July 2018 - 11:42 AM

Soup is mad that a white boy got BLACKED.

 

I just wanted to clear that up for anyone who is unfamiliar with Soup and is trying to figure out what this nonsense is about.

I really was trying to figure this thread up and didn't quite get it until your post. Now every comment of Soup makes sense. 


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 12:46 PM

I just want to clear up for anyone who is unfamiliar with 12er that he is a foglet.

Not too much of a foglet for you to be using the lingo I introduced to the forum, foglet.


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 01:39 PM

Not too much of a foglet for you to be using the lingo I introduced to the forum, foglet.


I also flattered you by using what I quoted by you as a template for my playful jab. And even though you tried to insult me, that was my intention; to flatter you and to playfully jab.

I like Daniel Cormier. And while it's easy to write off a group of people, there's always that reminder that while it's easy to write off a group, there's always special individuals who remind us that we should not allow our prejudices to constantly burden us, to hover over us like a dark and dreary cloud. Daniel Cormier is that special individual.

But that victory wasn't clean, intentional or not.

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 02:44 PM

start fining the fighters for each eye poke accident or not.

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 02:59 PM

I'm not calling for a disqualification or anything like that. But I think there's one heck of an argument for both a no-contest and an immediate rematch. I mean, for crying out loud, it's not a legal move.

If an ironworker was balancing himself on a steel beam 20 or 30 or 40 stories up, as they are every day, and he got poked in the eye, wouldn't you expect him to give himself a moment? There's no way he's expected to tightrope a beam seconds after being poked in the eye by a coworker.

If you were watching Netflix and you got poked in the eye, you would press pause. If you were in the middle of getting a blow job and you were accidentally poked in the eye, you would stop the lovely lady for a moment completely dismiss the romantic gesture for at least a little while.

Eye pokes are a big deal.

No i wouldn't. I would smack her face with my C0Ck then king daddy face fk her furiously AND make her ball surf with her tongue till i skeet down her throat. 

 

I would do that anyway through regardless. LMAO!. 


 

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 03:03 PM

I also flattered you by using what I quoted by you as a template for my playful jab. And even though you tried to insult me, that was my intention; to flatter you and to playfully jab.

I like Daniel Cormier. And while it's easy to write off a group of people, there's always that reminder that while it's easy to write off a group, there's always special individuals who remind us that we should not allow our prejudices to constantly burden us, to hover over us like a dark and dreary cloud. Daniel Cormier is that special individual.

But that victory wasn't clean, intentional or not.

It's not an insult to say you're racist, that's just a fact. Generally speaking, anyone who starts predicting race wars is probably a racist. 

 

Calling you a cuck is an insult, and that was Cashflow.


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:01 PM

Umm keeping your fist closed is easier said than done if parries and hand fighting at a distance are big part of your game.

 

That is only really effective if done with an open palm. It's a hell of a lot harder to deflect/trap a barrier or redirect a strike with a closed fist. In fact it's nearly impossible unless you have absolutely perfect timing, ridiculous accuracy at full speed and more power or a better angle to overcome any resistance. 

 

In the chaos of a fight with abrupt changes of distance and speed some fighters just react that way by turtling their head and reaching out to put something in someone's face when there is a swift oncoming attack. It halts that pressure buying time to escape a blitz or some pot shot trap that was timed out of no where so it's a very natural defensive reaction just like someone covering up or leaning back. 

 

If you notice it usually only happens when there are speedy attacks incoming and abrupt change of distance. This is a natural kind of fight or flight defensive instinct and it's that range where hands are more natural and most dangerous because you can hit with true power from all angles. 

 

Where it's blatant is when things are slowed down way outside and a guy is probing with it as if to use it as an offensive weapon and if the guy has reach the opponent is either forced to keep backing off, circling away or rush his @ss fast.

 

There is only one guy in the UFC that made a career of that tactic. 


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Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:03 PM

Its like Check cup Kongo.
First one, maybe two are free. So why not take them.

 

they should be allowed to take them during the staredown right before the fight actually starts. 


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 04:03 AM

When you tell people who didnt watch the fight that Stipe poked Daniel in the eye also:


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