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UFC 226 did about 400k ppv buys lol

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I t was no Kimbo Slice vs Dadda5000, what did you expect?

 

Ng v TBB was a poor mans substitute for that fight no?

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Knew it would be bad, I knew no one that was watching it, DC is not a draw, it is that simple, neither is Stipe, this is exactly why the UFC have sold out and went WWE style with Lesnar. People like McGregor, Lesnar, GSP and Jones could fight nobody's and pull in more numbers 

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Knew it would be bad, I knew no one that was watching it, DC is not a draw, it is that simple, neither is Stipe, this is exactly why the UFC have sold out and went WWE style with Lesnar. People like McGregor, Lesnar, GSP and Jones could fight nobody's and pull in more numbers 

 

The UFC really needs to focus PPVs around these four guys....prob makes sense to cut down the # of PPV's from 12 to about 6....and make sure one of those guys is always headlining. They need to make sure these guys have enough incentive to fight at least once per year (10+ mil guaranteed plus PPV points)....

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The UFC really needs to focus PPVs around these four guys....prob makes sense to cut down the # of PPV's from 12 to about 6....and make sure one of those guys is always headlining. They need to make sure these guys have enough incentive to fight at least once per year (10+ mil guaranteed plus PPV points)....

 

The main issue they are having is they keep killing their own ****ing superstars, they are not creating any new ones either, They murdered Rousey... twice, they slapped Jones across the face after the USADA ****, should stand by him regardless because he is their money maker, they **** talk McGregor after the bus thing, Dana constantly tells us that GSP is retired time and time again then says oh wait, he fighting now. 

 

You ask a single casual who the **** Demetrious Johnson, Stipe Miocic, TJ Dillashaw, Tyron Woodley, Robert Whittaker, Tony Ferguson, Amanda Nunes, Cody Garbrandt and Rose Namajunas are and they will look at you with no idea.... thats almost all of the current top 15 p4p fighters. All great fighters, but marketable? Nah. DC is kind of known now, GSP is a GOAT but not fighting really, Max is more known for the Conor fight that anything else to casuals and then McGregor makes up all of the 15 p4p fighters. 

 

Casuals make the UFC the most money, not the true fans, if you cannot make a fighter appeal to the casuals, you have no hope of selling PPV's

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prob makes sense to cut down the # of PPV's from 12 to about 6...

 

Not really. I think the number at which a PPV is profitable is only like 125,000 or something like that (I heard the number once, but it was awhile ago), so most of these shows, even when they're not doing great, especially compared to years ago, are still profitable.

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My favourite is the people who think the reason it didn't do well is because the co-main got scratched...

 

Like, you really think there were a significant number of people who weren't going to buy a show for DC/Miocic but would've bought it for Holloway/Ortega? Really?

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Not really. I think the number at which a PPV is profitable is only like 125,000 or something like that (I heard the number once, but it was awhile ago), so most of these shows, even when they're not doing great, especially compared to years ago, are still profitable.

 

So Demetrius Johnson is the only unproffitable ufc champ right now lol

 

I already knew this btw

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400K is actually pretty good for modern day UFC.

 

Jones did 800k about a year ago against Cormier....

 

 

What you you estimate that same fight does today?

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Vert names 4 guys that are old, never fight, or are never eligible to fight and says the UFC should build their company around them. This type of stupid **** is why you had to go to Mexico to find work.

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Vert names 4 guys that are old, never fight, or are never eligible to fight and says the UFC should build their company around them. This type of stupid **** is why you had to go to Mexico to find work.

 

Who would you build around right now?

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I think spending all of your marketing money on just a couple of people is dumb. This last year they made more revenue than ever before and had maybe 1-2 fights with a "star".

 

I would spread the money around more and push more top 5-10 guys to get their names out there. The fighters would have to do their part too but there's no reason that only a couple of fighters at a time can do more than 300-400k ppvs. You would still have natural stars emerge and you could give them a little extra push but your yearly revenue wouldn't crash if a guy is hurt or doesn't fight.

 

ESPN will give them a great opportunity to appeal to younger casual fans.

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A long time ago I predicted Cannor would be "king of nothing", and lo and behold, it has come true. All this wwe bs escalated then and now we are reaping the fruit and they are sour. Going for the quick buck and circus acts has destroyed legitimacy and long time appeal. Basically what happened to music. All get simplified (stupified) and shoved inside a formula. Fast food.

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Of course nobody is buying this chit, if UFC did Two Sixty Rampage vs Shogun in 2018 that would sell at least 1 Mill, but they ****ed that one up

 

They even replaced Kongo with TBB and Nganu LMFAO

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Who would you build around right now?

this issue is entirely the promotions fault not the fighters,

 

over saturated cards filled with nobodies or too many / not enough promotion or the same blue print used to promote different fighters used over and over and over again

 

the Fertittas sold this **** at the right time, when is the last time you saw a promo as good as GSP vs Diaz?

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this issue is entirely the promotions fault not the fighters,

 

over saturated cards filled with nobodies or too many / not enough promotion or the same blue print used to promote different fighters used over and over and over again

 

the Fertittas sold this **** at the right time, when is the last time you saw a promo as good as GSP vs Diaz?

 

The last Bellator event

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So Demetrius Johnson is the only unproffitable ufc champ right now lol

 

I already knew this btw

Most of his shows usually do above that. Not much, but he does usually beat it.

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Price increase also cut into the buys.  I'll still chip in on a fight, but I'll no longer pay full price for the fight by myself.
 

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Price increase also cut into the buys.  I'll still chip in on a fight, but I'll no longer pay full price for the fight by myself.

 

Traditionally, price increases have had little to no negative effects on PPV buys. If people wanted to watch these shows, they’d pay the extra $5. The lack of star power is ultimately the issue.

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Price increase also cut into the buys.  I'll still chip in on a fight, but I'll no longer pay full price for the fight by myself.

 

 

Want to chip in two fiddy with me?

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The only way they're hitting 1 mil modern day is if:

 

A. Conor is on the card

 

or

 

B. Bork fights Jon Jones for the interim HW title (after Daniel beats Bork) and Joe Rogan vs Wesley Snipes is co main event. 

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This is way more than I expected. DC and Miocic are horrible draws. Did people expect this to sell well?

 

I estimated around 500,000.

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It would have gotten there if Brian Ortega wasn't a little bish.

 

Unless he was fighting McGregor, him fighting wasn't adding any buys to that show.

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I don't believe that. I think between him and Max, they could have done another 100K.

 

I don't say this often, but I agree with Vert. lol.

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I know you and Vert are MMA casuals, but Max is the only relevant Hawaiian in the UFC. They've been into MMA since way back in the BJ Penn days.

 

I stand by my statement. Max/Ortega adds at least another 100K.

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b/w the latino market in SoCal (all of Ortegas cousins) and Hawaii alone, i think they couldve added over 50K buys. 100K could be a stretch, but its in the realm of possibility. 

 

400K buys for your HW vs LHW champ is abysmal 

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FN Ortega v Swanson did more views than the prelims on 226 by about 200K.....

 

I am sure the fans were really buzzing for Cub Swanson..

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FN Ortega v Swanson did more views than the prelims on 226 by about 200K.....

 

I am sure the fans were really buzzing for Cub Swanson..

Vert is nine years old. Excuse his extreme idiocy.

 

McMod has no excuse though.

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Max/Ortega adds at least another 100K.

 

 

Can confirm this, a lot of casual fans I knew were looking forward to that fight, some only knew about the DC/Stipe card because of it

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either the cards are selling like chit cause theyre all watered down and nobody is really interested in them and half the big fights always get called off in the last week, or more people are discovering streaming/torrenting sites or just watching it at bars.

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either the cards are selling like chit cause theyre all watered down and nobody is really interested in them and half the big fights always get called off in the last week, or more people are discovering streaming/torrenting sites or just watching it at bars.

 

I think it has more to do with Conor McGregor cornering the mma market wrt casuals...hes basically doing what Mayweather did in boxing.

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either the cards are selling like chit cause theyre all watered down and nobody is really interested in them and half the big fights always get called off in the last week, or more people are discovering streaming/torrenting sites or just watching it at bars.

I think it's a combination of the two.

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I think spending all of your marketing money on just a couple of people is dumb. This last year they made more revenue than ever before and had maybe 1-2 fights with a "star".

 

I would spread the money around more and push more top 5-10 guys to get their names out there. The fighters would have to do their part too but there's no reason that only a couple of fighters at a time can do more than 300-400k ppvs. You would still have natural stars emerge and you could give them a little extra push but your yearly revenue wouldn't crash if a guy is hurt or doesn't fight.

 

ESPN will give them a great opportunity to appeal to younger casual fans.

The ESPN deal is the single biggest factor for the UFC to continue its growth.

 

Everyone watches sportscenter. People who generally arent exposed to MMA will see it covered on ESPN and may take an interest as I think the network does very well with bringing entertainment value to sports coverage.

 

Then you have the people who dabble in MMA from time to time watching ESPNs MMA coverage and getting even more invested into the sport.

 

I dont think you can say enough for how important it was getting the UFC onto ESPN.

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