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#1 King_Can!

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Posted 08 August 2018 - 04:19 AM

 

 

Joe Rogan's hot take on the weight cutting issue, says people who cut more weight have more of an advantage in fights than people who take PEDS

 

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Posted 08 August 2018 - 04:20 AM

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can honestly say Joe's been hitting the pipe too much as of late


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 04:24 AM

Cejudo is the only flyweight on the card that didn't weigh more than Garbrandt on fight night, a mere pound different.  Some of the bantamweights were 16 pounds heavier than Garbrandt.  He's 5'8" looks like he should drop down and beat up the midgets.  All fighters that put on less than 10% weight back on lost.

 

T.J. Dillashaw (135 pounds to 149.5 pounds = 10.7%) def. Cody Garbrandt (134.7 to 142 = 5.2%)

Henry Cejudo (124.5 to 141 = 12.8%) def. Demetrious Johnson (125 to 142 = 13.6%)

Renato Moicano (146 to 165.5 = 13.4%) def. Cub Swanson (145.2 to 160.5 = 9.9%)

J.J. Aldrich (115.8 to 130.5 = 12.5%) def. Polyana Viana (115 to 129.5 = 11.6%)

Thiago Santos (185.5 to 209.5 = 12.6%) def. Kevin Holland (184.7 to 193 = 3.8%)

Prelims (FX)

Pedro Munhoz (135 to 151 = 11%) def. Brett Johns (135.2 to 158 = 16.2%)

Ricky Simon (135.2 to 152 = 11.8%) def. Montel Jackson (136 to 152 = 11.8%)

Ricardo Ramos (135.5 to 153.5 = 12.9%) def. Kyung Ho Kang (136 to 154 = 13.2%)

Sheymon Moraes (146 to 164 = 12.3%) def. Matt Sayles (145.7 to 165 = 13%)

Prelims (UFC Fight Pass)

Alex Perez (126 to 146.5 = 16.3%) def. Jose Torres (125 to 143 = 13.5%)

Weili Zhang (115.5 to 127 = 9.5%) def. Danielle Taylor (115.4 to 124.5 = 7.3%)

Marlon Vera (135.5 to 150 = 10.3%) def. Wuliji Buren (135.5 to 149.5 = 9.9%)


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 04:29 AM

I dont agree with this from a medical standpoint. Whenever you dehydrate yourself to the point of kidney failure, you're body is **** up.

Anyone who has ever been dehydrated to treated someone with dehydration will know that they aren't anywhere close to 100%.

Take DC for example. Much healthier looking and performed better at HW throughput his career than LHW.

Now look at Dada 5000 who literally died in the cage due to extreme weight cut.


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 04:33 AM

If they banned weight cutting Little Frank would be undefeated.  The only men to beat him had 15-20 pound advantages.


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 04:42 AM

I dont agree with this from a medical standpoint. Whenever you dehydrate yourself to the point of kidney failure, you're body is **** up.

Anyone who has ever been dehydrated to treated someone with dehydration will know that they aren't anywhere close to 100%.

Take DC for example. Much healthier looking and performed better at HW throughput his career than LHW.

Now look at Dada 5000 who literally died in the cage due to extreme weight cut.


Joe Rogan is an idiot.

with that said they should adopt the ONE FC rehydration tests

 

too many examples of Darren Till's fighting Tyron Woodleys while having a huge advantage in weight 


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 04:43 AM

If they banned weight cutting Little Frank would be undefeated.  The only men to beat him had 15-20 pound advantages.

 

lil frank could go take 135 with ease and Cody could take 125 with ease

 

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Posted 08 August 2018 - 04:47 AM

I think it probably depends on the degree of weight cutting. I'm sure there's a point at which he's correct, but if you go too far, I'm sure it's FAR worse.


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 04:48 AM

with that said they should adopt the ONE FC rehydration tests

 

too many examples of Darren Till's fighting Tyron Woodleys while having a huge advantage in weight 

 

Darrel Hill will not have a weight advantage over Woodley.  Directly out of Woodley's mouth about 118 times that he weighs 200-205 pounds.  Till recently said he's 90 kilos in an interview and said he didn't know what that is in pounds.  It's about 198.


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 05:20 AM

I think it probably depends on the degree of weight cutting. I'm sure there's a point at which he's correct, but if you go too far, I'm sure it's FAR worse.



That's the thing, most of these guys aren't cutting 5lbs, they're cutting 20-30.
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Posted 08 August 2018 - 05:43 AM

Darrel Hill will not have a weight advantage over Woodley. Directly out of Woodley's mouth about 118 times that he weighs 200-205 pounds. Till recently said he's 90 kilos in an interview and said he didn't know what that is in pounds. It's about 198.

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Posted 08 August 2018 - 06:35 AM

I creampied that Vegas line. Have you seen it?

 

There's a line on making weight for this chit or who will weigh more?


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 09:21 AM

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can honestly say Joe's been hitting the pipe too much as of late

Vitor was a roider and a weight cutting can. 

 

He's almost as bad as Jon Jones, who had the trifecta of being a roider, WCC, and an eye gouger.


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 09:23 AM

That's the thing, most of these guys aren't cutting 5lbs, they're cutting 20-30.

Only legends like Frank the tank can win titles without cutting weight, and then when he gets sick of fighting guys 50 lbs heavier than himself, cut 5 lbs so he can fight guys only 40 lbs heavier than himself.


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 12:18 PM

Rogan is bad for the sport at this point
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Posted 08 August 2018 - 12:20 PM

I dont agree with this from a medical standpoint. Whenever you dehydrate yourself to the point of kidney failure, you're body is **** up.

Anyone who has ever been dehydrated to treated someone with dehydration will know that they aren't anywhere close to 100%.

Take DC for example. Much healthier looking and performed better at HW throughput his career than LHW.

Now look at Dada 5000 who literally died in the cage due to extreme weight cut.


Joe Rogan is an idiot.

 

Quite a logical fallacy you went with there.  Obviously kidney failure takes it too far.

 

Drinking too much water will kill you.  Should we not say that water is beneficial?

 

Too much of something can be bad for you.  It doesn't mean that something doesn't help you.


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 12:31 PM

New FC is also bad for the sport


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 12:31 PM

Quite a logical fallacy you went with there. Obviously kidney failure takes it too far.

Drinking too much water will kill you. Should we not say that water is beneficial?

Too much of something can be bad for you. It doesn't mean that something doesn't help you.



Do you realize how easily people go into kidney failure and multiorgan failure when they're dehydrated?

Your comparison is retarded by the way. Unless you have kidney failure and/or CHF, it would take an immense amount of water to kill someone.

Trust me, I know way more about medicine than you do.
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Posted 08 August 2018 - 12:32 PM

Heres a challenge, become dehydrated and lose 15-20lbs of fluid and tell me how you feel.
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Posted 08 August 2018 - 12:33 PM

I usually like to pay attention to some topics Rogan brings up and here is why:

 

Dude is an UFC employee and, perhaps, an icon. He is one of the UFC's 'faces' right now.

 

I wonder if this statement meant to prepare grounds for the allowance of PEDs in exchange of a more tight policy on WCC


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 12:51 PM

Only legends like Frank the tank can win titles without cutting weight, and then when he gets sick of fighting guys 50 lbs heavier than himself, cut 5 lbs so he can fight guys only 40 lbs heavier than himself.


Frankie cut ten pounds to make 155
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Posted 08 August 2018 - 01:15 PM

Only legends like Frank the tank can win titles without cutting weight, and then when he gets sick of fighting guys 50 lbs heavier than himself, cut 5 lbs so he can fight guys only 40 lbs heavier than himself.

 

this is a long standing myth that keeps being perpetuated by the Stans. I may have to make a thread about my findings. 


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 01:46 PM

Frankie cut ten pounds to make 155

Fake news.


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 02:19 PM

Fake news.


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 03:36 PM

Never accuse king pat of fake news

This is fake news, too.


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 07:40 PM

Quite a logical fallacy you went with there.  Obviously kidney failure takes it too far.

 

Drinking too much water will kill you.  Should we not say that water is beneficial?

 

Too much of something can be bad for you.  It doesn't mean that something doesn't help you.

this is silly

no one is drinking water to the point of dying for an advantage 


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Posted 09 August 2018 - 03:59 PM

Do you realize how easily people go into kidney failure and multiorgan failure when they're dehydrated?

If it doesn't happen, then I don't care. Again, if that happens, then it was too extreme.
 

Your comparison is retarded by the way.

Wrong

Your response to me is retarded, though. My guess is you got sand in your vagina when you were accused of making a logical fallacy.
 

Trust me, I know way more about medicine than you do.

Another logical fallacy and rather pointless. Also, I don't care about whatever medical knowledge you have. It's not relevant to your response. You could be correct, but you failed at explaining with logic.

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