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Chris Weidman's Protection Against Losses

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Chris started off his career with an incredible 13-0 run, including victories over the like of Anderson Silva x2, Vitor Belfort, Lyoto Machida and Demian Maia. But the last 3 years have been far harder for Weidman going just 1-4 with all four losses coming by KO/TKO.

What is odd is how even on a run like that there aren't many calling for him to retire and even more strange is how there always seems to be an explanation or excuse (not by Weidman personally) for why he lost.

 

Luke Rockhold Loss

Of the four losses this was probably the most brutal, it was over a round of Chris just getting his face smashed by Luke and easily could have been stopped at the end of he third instead of Chris having to endure the fourth before it being stopped. This was also the All-American's first loss.

Reasoning: Even though Weidman, suffered roughly five minutes of continuous punishment and definitely the worst beating of his professional career up until that point the loss of the fight was simply put down to Chris throwing an ill advised spinning kick.

 

Yoel Romero Loss

The second straight loss for Weidman, after a first round where Weidman had success with kicks and a second round where Romero took over with counters. The came the third round where Romero landed a highlight reel flying knee to the end the night for Weidman.

Reasoning: The loss itself was sort of swept to one side when Weidman was revealed to believe that he was winning the fight up until the fight ending knee was landed by Romero saying "I thought I was on my way to winning the fight"

 

Gegard Mousasi

By far the weirdest one on the list after a back and fourth first round Mousasi came out more aggressive and landed some decent shots before catching Weidman with two big knees, that brought a stop to the fight.

Reasoning: All blame was removed from Weidman and placed on referee Dan Miragliotta for stopping the fight initially, even though Weidman looked unable to continue after the two initial knees.

 

Jacare Souza Loss

A great back and fourth fight with Weidman taking the 1st and Souza talking the 2nd, with everything left to play for Souza gets the TKO in the 3rd.

Reasoning: The latest loss is again largely being overlooked by a lot of the MMA media with many others choosing to focus of how good Weidman looked in that fight up until he got finished.

 

 

Why do you think Weidman get's off with losses?

When do you think this will stop?

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12 minutes ago, Jolldan said:

 

Chris started off his career with an incredible 13-0 run, including victories over the like of Anderson Silva x2, Vitor Belfort, Lyoto Machida and Demian Maia. But the last 3 years have been far harder for Weidman going just 1-4 with all four losses coming by KO/TKO.

 

What is odd is how even on a run like that there aren't many calling for him to retire and even more strange is how there always seems to be an explanation or excuse (not by Weidman personally) for why he lost.

 

Luke Rockhold Loss

Of the four losses this was probably the most brutal, it was over a round of Chris just getting his face smashed by Luke and easily could have been stopped at the end of he third instead of Chris having to endure the fourth before it being stopped. This was also the All-American's first loss.

Reasoning: Even though Weidman, suffered roughly five minutes of continuous punishment and definitely the worst beating of his professional career up until that point the loss of the fight was simply put down to Chris throwing an ill advised spinning kick.

 

Yoel Romero Loss

The second straight loss for Weidman, after a first round where Weidman had success with kicks and a second round where Romero took over with counters. The came the third round where Romero landed a highlight reel flying knee to the end the night for Weidman.

Reasoning: The loss itself was sort of swept to one side when Weidman was revealed to believe that he was winning the fight up until the fight ending knee was landed by Romero saying "I thought I was on my way to winning the fight"

 

Gegard Mousasi

By far the weirdest one on the list after a back and fourth first round Mousasi came out more aggressive and landed some decent shots before catching Weidman with two big knees, that brought a stop to the fight.

Reasoning: All blame was removed from Weidman and placed on referee Dan Miragliotta for stopping the fight initially, even though Weidman looked unable to continue after the two initial knees.

 

Jacare Souza Loss

A great back and fourth fight with Weidman taking the 1st and Souza talking the 2nd, with everything left to play for Souza gets the TKO in the 3rd.

Reasoning: The latest loss is again largely being overlooked by a lot of the MMA media with many others choosing to focus of how good Weidman looked in that fight up until he got finished.

 

  

Why do you think Weidman get's off with losses?

 ... the exploitation started after the Romero knee

When do you think this will stop ?

.... when he accepts reality, he's 35 and never gonna be a legit belt-holder,

how old would he be if he gets a belt and defends it twice ? .. ridiculous

 

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Weidman is just an 'ok' fighter who happened to be in the right place at the right time back when Anderson, Machida and Vitor were relevant.

He and his fans believed too much on him as a 'super fighter' because he beat some downhill old farts and even those wins can be argued:

1. Anderson I: Dude acted like a clown and I still believe Anderson could had cruised to a UD if he fought a bit more serious.

2. Anderson II: An accident happened. One of the most nasty injuries in MMA.

3. Machida: Not a dominant performance at all considering he just beat Anderson.

4. Vitor: Started getting beat on his feet until he shoot for ankles (smart move).

Lets not forget a subject nobody is talking about either: Post USADA Weidman is sucking badly .. coincidence ?

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8 minutes ago, skillandpower said:

Weidman is just an 'ok' fighter who happened to be in the right place at the right time back when Anderson, Machida and Vitor were relevant.

He and his fans believed too much on him as a 'super fighter' because he beat some downhill old farts and even those wins can be argued:

1. Anderson I: Dude acted like a clown and I still believe Anderson could had cruised to a UD if he fought a bit more serious.

2. Anderson II: An accident happened. One of the most nasty injuries in MMA.

3. Machida: Not a dominant performance at all considering he just beat Anderson.

4. Vitor: Started getting beat on his feet until he shoot for ankles (smart move).

Lets not forget a subject nobody is talking about either: Post USADA Weidman is sucking badly .. coincidence ?

Yea anderson was past his prime and fighting bums at LHW, Machida was also past it and vitor has always suffered with inconcistancy

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4 minutes ago, PunchBag said:

Yea anderson was past his prime and fighting bums at LHW, Machida was also past it and vitor has always suffered with inconcistancy

Exactly m8.

Im not hating on Weidman but he never beat anyone 'fresh' and hungry if you think about it.

 

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47 minutes ago, Taylor_Schonerstedt said:

At the beginning of his UFC career he fought guys on their way out now hes fighting real contenders!

Simple as that.

^^^This.  To answer the OP, it stops when he retires.

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1 hour ago, Taylor_Schonerstedt said:

At the beginning of his UFC career he fought guys on their way out now hes fighting real contenders!

Simple as that.

Best answer so far. 

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He fought aged fighters on their way out, none of the guys he fought until Luke were in their primes. He has looked completely different since USADA also, if that is just because of Age I do not know but he has not looked the same at all. Weidman has legit lost to all fighters he has faced whom are actual title contenders. Gastelum was a spanner in the works and made Weidman look like he was back, but in reality, Gastelum was smashing Weidman and just failed to finish it and Weidman who is 6'2 managed to beat a fighter who is 5'9

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Other than Gegard,he is just too small and tires out because of it.His power is also suspect,either that or Jacare is on something during his fights because he was walking right through Chris's punches.

Chris's corner is also not very good.I feel they are likely good in training camp but not in the ring.Dude's advice was go after him,basically saying balls to the wall and he paid for it.

Chris has to take breaks,he seems to tire kind of easily.His strategy to run all the time is VERY tiring,i hate fighters who do that.He has to learn to duck and weave and then if too risky simply tie up his opponent.

In that fight,i really liked his jab work but then soon he was pressured he would turn and run and use way too much energy.

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MMA On Point (@OnPointMMA) twitteó a las 2:40 p. m. on lun., dic. 03, 2018:
.@chrisweidman says that he has no regrets from his loss to @JacareMMA at #UFC230. Says Jacaré just landed the final blow faster. Says either of them could have won that fight. #HelwaniShow @arielhelwani
(https://twitter.com/OnPointMMA/status/1069692820829757440?s=09)

 

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On 11/5/2018 at 10:38 AM, PunchBag said:

Yea anderson was past his prime and fighting bums at LHW, Machida was also past it and vitor has always suffered with inconcistancy

Most people on this forum picked Anderson when they fought and said that Weidman didn't deserve the fight. 

Now Anderson was past it

Lol

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On 11/5/2018 at 10:28 AM, skillandpower said:

Weidman is just an 'ok' fighter who happened to be in the right place at the right time back when Anderson, Machida and Vitor were relevant.

He and his fans believed too much on him as a 'super fighter' because he beat some downhill old farts and even those wins can be argued:

1. Anderson I: Dude acted like a clown and I still believe Anderson could had cruised to a UD if he fought a bit more serious.

2. Anderson II: An accident happened. One of the most nasty injuries in MMA.

3. Machida: Not a dominant performance at all considering he just beat Anderson.

4. Vitor: Started getting beat on his feet until he shoot for ankles (smart move).

Lets not forget a subject nobody is talking about either: Post USADA Weidman is sucking badly .. coincidence ?

Obviously some guys were roided before usada but I would say the IV ban has effected the performance of more fighters. 

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On 11/5/2018 at 10:43 AM, skillandpower said:

Exactly m8.

Im not hating on Weidman but he never beat anyone 'fresh' and hungry if you think about it.

 

Sounds like Jon Jones. His rise was beating cans, guys past their prime, and old middleweights. 

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1 hour ago, juice64011 said:

Sounds like Jon Jones. His rise was beating cans, guys past their prime, and old middleweights. 

The only can Jon Jones fought was DC

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5 hours ago, juice64011 said:

My bad, I forgot he fought legends like Matt Hamill and Chael P Sonnen

true that. jon jones showed the world that he cant even run over a handicapped person without cheating

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9 hours ago, juice64011 said:

Most people on this forum picked Anderson when they fought and said that Weidman didn't deserve the fight. 

Now Anderson was past it

Lol

he got knocked out by weidman, of course he was passed it, unless you think weidman is better than all silva's previous opponents.

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Additionally, he gets off from the previous losses because he's a former champion. UFC will always try and squeeze some value out of those guys. They won't cut him but I'd say if he gets finished again then he will finally slide down the rankings properly and consider retirement. 

 

 

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I dont see any reason why Anderson Silva would consider retirement right now since he hasnt taken practially any damage since he got KO'd and broke his leg with the Weidman fights.....its been easy $ for Anderson since then.

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14 hours ago, PunchBag said:

he got knocked out by weidman, of course he was passed it, unless you think weidman is better than all silva's previous opponents.

He's better than all of them besides Hendo and Franklin but they were both getting up there in age when they fought Silva. 

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Weidman was winning all of those fights until he suddenly lost, except against Mousasi, where he entered the octagon at 13%.

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On 12/3/2018 at 6:58 PM, juice64011 said:

My bad, I forgot he fought legends like Matt Hamill and Chael P Sonnen

Of course Matt Hamill is a legend, he beat Jon Jones, who else can say that?

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Weidman is a delusional idiot. I'm tired of hearing I was winning that fight til I got caught. Obviously you have a problem if it happens 3 fights in a row. Tired of the excuses.

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22 hours ago, VertFTW said:

I dont see any reason why Anderson Silva would consider retirement right now since he hasnt taken practially any damage since he got KO'd and broke his leg with the Weidman fights.....its been easy $ for Anderson since then.

Lol. He's failed multiple drug tests and lost to Bisping since then. Pretty sure he should have called it after the leg break.

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he wanted a free out against Mousasi trying to play the illegal knee angle.  he was trying to sell the knee made him unable to compete and then turning around and saying he wasn't hurt when the knee was deemed legal, lol

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5 hours ago, crangs said:

he wanted a free out against Mousasi trying to play the illegal knee angle.  he was trying to sell the knee made him unable to compete and then turning around and saying he wasn't hurt when the knee was deemed legal, lol

This is what confirms CriedCans bish status.  Tried to cop a free win crying wolf, sad he thought a win that way would look good for him.  Now he’s crying about his kids pillow hurting his neck.

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On 12/4/2018 at 7:10 PM, 12er© said:

Of course Matt Hamill is a legend, he beat Jon Jones, who else can say that?

Remember when Weidman was talking about fighting Jones?

LMFAO

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Souza and Yomero are roiders,that is why he struggles with them.

Mousassi is an absolute great fighter,no shame in losing to another clean fighter that is simply really good.

As to Luke,well i feel Luke just had too many positives over Chris,you know the old saying,matchups make fights.

Luke is faster,better reach,has better kicks,better ground game and better cardio.That is a LOT for Chris to overcome.Even if Chris has a VERY slight strength advantage,that is nullified by leverage which Luke has on him.

Could Chris beat luke,well again styles sometimes don't allow it but yes would take a LOT of work.At this point in Chris's career,i do not feel he is going to train hard anymore to win a title.

What Chris needs is a full year of extreme cardio,that would allow him to wrestle more and do whatever he wants w/o fear of tiring.FIGHT IQ,he needs to learn that once you are tired and or hurt,you need a gameplan,his team needs to prepare him for that.IMO his striking is NOT good enough nor is his kicks so his focus needs to be grappling.

So 3 things

1 Cardio

2 work on wrestling/grappling,make sure he knows how to finish on the ground instead of trying for tons of arm punches or simply holding the guy down.

3 Better defense training

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, zaksame said:

Souza and Yomero are roiders,that is why he struggles with them.

Mousassi is an absolute great fighter,no shame in losing to another clean fighter that is simply really good.

As to Luke,well i feel Luke just had too many positives over Chris,you know the old saying,matchups make fights.

Luke is faster,better reach,has better kicks,better ground game and better cardio.That is a LOT for Chris to overcome.Even if Chris has a VERY slight strength advantage,that is nullified by leverage which Luke has on him.

Could Chris beat luke,well again styles sometimes don't allow it but yes would take a LOT of work.At this point in Chris's career,i do not feel he is going to train hard anymore to win a title.

What Chris needs is a full year of extreme cardio,that would allow him to wrestle more and do whatever he wants w/o fear of tiring.FIGHT IQ,he needs to learn that once you are tired and or hurt,you need a gameplan,his team needs to prepare him for that.IMO his striking is NOT good enough nor is his kicks so his focus needs to be grappling.

So 3 things

1 Cardio

2 work on wrestling/grappling,make sure he knows how to finish on the ground instead of trying for tons of arm punches or simply holding the guy down.

3 Better defense training

 

 

 

I have forwarded this to Matt Serra. I expect to see Weidman wearing that strap by this time next year. 

Thanks as ever for your contribution and interaction.

The great zaksame has spoken. 

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3 hours ago, OzStraya said:

The part where you suggest he's good

Speaking of being terrible, how was that Adelaide show? Did any of your boys die? Did you have to help dig shallow graves for them?

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35 minutes ago, cashfl0w said:

Speaking of being terrible, how was that Adelaide show? Did any of your boys die? Did you have to help dig shallow graves for them?

I was two rows behind the section Rob and Izzy were sitting due to a mate of mine working security there and getting me an upgrade.. all my boys lost, and tew of them pulled Criedcan moves by winning til they died. Tyson did his ACL but never should have let Shogun recover from the beatdown, same as the OSP fight. Kid has no fight IQ. He and Tai have both been invited by DC to do their next camp at AKA after his surgery is complete though which is long overdue and can hopefully fix some big holes in their games

 

 

TLDR version - I got excellent seats but it fooking sucked

 

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