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People always buy what the organizations feed them. Because they don't want to watch the fights, they want to hear what the "pros" have to say and pass it on as their own opinion. Silva is exactly like Fedor and Kimbo Slice. Both were praised by their organizations to be the best in the world. I argued and argued that Kimbo Slice was not only NOT the best, but not even good. The majority fan base looked at me like I was stupid. Same with Fedor, I said he is good, but overrated. You have to fight talent in order to prove yourself a good fighter, no one wanted to hear it. Silva IS a great fighter. But he is no where near the hype White wants to sell him at. White just knows that the weight class is 1 strong with dozens weak, weakest weight class in MMA for sure. Looking at his history shows the talent he has fought.

 

Reasons GSP is best.

 

Most people believe there are 3, but there are 6 cornerstones in MMA.

1.Striking-Silva is better.

2.Striking Defense-equal (debateable)Silva looks like he has better striking defense because of his flashy moves. But if you watch all of their fights GSP gets hit less.

3.Wrestling-GSP is better

4.Wrestling Defense-GSP is better

5.Ju-Jitsu GSP is better(don't argue, just google it or watch the fights)

6.Ju-Jitsu Defense-GSP is better (Fought Penn who is a world champion and did't avoid his BJJ. He actually dove right into it and won easy). If you are going to argue grease then watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjb6vMS5LHc This is a tired argument lead by haters who have no ground to argue on except looping video's doctored by other haters. If GSP was guilty he would have been punished, so drop it.

 

Being well rounded is very important. Everyone knows that GSP is the most well rounded athlete in the sport.

 

Records are another thing to consider when you are considering the best. GSP has a better winning record. Say what you want about who he has fought but top contender is top contender. GSP has only lost two rounds that I'm aware of in his entire career. Those rounds were lost because of one move each.

 

MMAth.

GSP beat Karo Paresian, Karo beat Ryo Chonan, Chonan beat Anderson Silva.

GSP beat Jake Shields, Shields beat Okami, Okami beat Anderson Silva.

We could argue that one a lot but no need, there are tons of more reasons.

 

When fighting you have to consider a fighter at his best potential and was he at his best in his career at the time of the fight. Any informed fan knows that fighters peak. Typically after hitting that peak they either fall quickly in talent or keep fighting and have to deal with Uninformed fans smear their name. I've seen people bashing Tito, Couture, Shamrock and even Royce Gracie. Every single day people learn new things to bring to MMA and it doesn't mean the legends are bad fighters. It simply means that EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER PEAKS. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Some fighters keep fighting after their peak. It's really sad to watch newbie fans bashing these incredible fighters with no knowledge of the sport when these guys didn't give up in their prime. They stuck around to fight top talent to test themselves knowing the majority would hate them(because MMA is growing very fast and the majority of the fanbase is new). This being said, everyone GSP has ever fought was at the best in their career when GSP faced them.

 

Silva's opponents have been weak all around since joining the UFC. He joined a weak weight class (don't get me wrong, there are no easy fights in the UFC, but MW is the weakest weight)(Only now because of the merger, HW was and MW was #2 weakest, now MW is the weakest) Please leave the garbage about how ?Silva makes them look weak?. I'm not a newbie fan, I've watched the fighters, they are weak when compared. Hendo was the only true force.

 

 

 

Most of GSP's opponents remained in the UFC because they are elite opponents, which is why he had the drive to make himself so good. In fact his first pro fight contender is in the UFC today, and winning. GSP is a future hall of famer. He has also beat a hall of famer and a future hall of famer.

 

Lets talk performances. I will not win this debate even though I do choose GSP. The debate that I see is a fighter that is a KO artist or a fighter who can pick apart the most elite fighters in the world, and typically win by such a large margin that fighter never has a chance to try ANYTHING. But I will and have admitted that the reason most of this WHOLE debate has been going on, is because of this. And the majority of the people like KO's so Anderson Silva wins by a long shot. Partly due to all of the merging fans from boxing and the new fans that don't know what passing guard is.

 

Win Streaks. Silva has the biggest but a lot of the opponents in this streak are terrible fighters and some are just not worthy of TOP MMA talk. Leites? Lutter? Irvin?Cote?Fryklund haha!? Just look at where they are now. Griffin and Belfort had peaked well before their encounter with Silva, Belfort more than Griffin. I love Griffin to death but he is most popular because he was in a slug war with ***** and neither of them had KO power, yet both had decent chins. Griffin has the best personallity in MMA which sells him to a lot of fans but he is one of the TWO people to get beat by Jeremy Horn by striking out of Horns 87 fights.

 

Losses. Easy debate yet a majority of the Silva fans I've talked to in the last month bring it up again and again. The fact is EVERY elite fighter will eventually have losses. Any fighter can win with luck on any given day. What matters is what you do about it. Lots of Silva fans debating me bring up Serra's KO. I saw it. GSP took him lightly, no mystery there. GSP came back to beat Serra so bad it was emberassing. He also came back to beat Hughes so bad it was emberassing. Silva never avenged his losses. And yes it is important to avenge your losses. If someone beats you, it means that someone is better than you until you prove it differently. That is MMA. Take it or leave it. GSP has beat EVERYONE he has ever fought. Silva never avenged his four losses. But he is expected to fight Okami again. Silva fans were raving about how Silva was winning that fight, but Okami only caught love tap kicks up until his takedown. Silva paniced and upkicked because all of his losses are on the ground. Silva not only lost, but he lost cheating. I'm not going to say Silva is going to win their second fight. But the talk about how Okami was losing is just trash, he made the only power move of the fight.

Other Silva losses include Ryo Chonan, who was beat by Paresian within the same time frame GSP beat Karo.

 

Domination. I've head a lot of ?lay and pray? talk about GSP lately. These fans are embarassing themselves. No one has ever seen GSP lay and pray. GSP mixes it up, if he gets the takedown, he is immediately working on passing guard. A lot of newbie fans call this ?hugging? or ?lay and pray?. He is always working with either striking or passing guard or GNP. A lot of Silva fans say he is more dominant. This is what is fun for me. No fighter in history has been more dominant than GSP. As I said before, most newbie fans only see stand-up and believe Silva is more dominant. But that's why it's called MIXED-Martial-Arts. GSP is better at that than anyone in the sport. Look at all of their fights. GSP has lost maybe 2 rounds in his career and he does not avoid a fight. He always pushes foreward dominating the entire time. Then look at Silva. He lost 4-5 rounds to a one dimentional Sonnen. He avoided Maia's ground game and set a record for most time lapsed without combat, over a full MINUTE at times. He also avoided Leites, yet just like Maia, Leites was trying to avoid the striking. Letites would try to pull guard and fall, yet Silva never moved back enough to let the ref stand them up. Silva would land just enough foot kicks to keep the BJJ guy grounded so he could run the clock. I've heard talk about how elite he was because he not only won, but he taunted. Real fighters don't taunt, they fight. No elite fighter wastes time taunting unless you are stalling for some reason. But it plays into the fan base that watches a lot of movies, gotta give it to Silva.

 

Finishes. This is 100% opinion based. I love seeing KO's, thats a fact. But when I can see GSP win against a top competitor in the sport and shut that elite fighter down so bad that the opponent almost never scores ONE offensive point the entire fight, that is talent (opinion). The finishing argument was out when they added a time limit. Some fighters are endurace, some are power. If you add a time limit to an endurace fighter, he may run out of time before his talent shows up. No fighter will TRY to win by judge. The judges are horrible as everyone knows. And the longer you are in a fight, the more time your opponent has to pull off a luck win, sub or ko. Why would anyone plan for that. I get a lot of debate on ?GSP fights safe so he's not best P4P?....If anything that gives him a better chance of winning the fight. Silva wouldn't default win if GSP didn't finish, lol.

 

The chain of fighters. The killer here is GSP has beat Karo Paresian who has beat Ryo Chonan. Ryo beat Silva. GSP beat Shields, who beat Okami, who beat Silva. The exact same night Shields beat Okami, he beat Condit. I've heard TONS of people saying Condit is better than GSP.

 

Even this person spoke up about it, watch it at 3:55.

 

GSP is the best P4P fighter in the world hands down. I did a lot of research for my threads and learned a lot about Silva. I was actually expecting to be proven wrong by some facts I didn't know, because I heard all of this talk. But after all of the research, I have less respect for Silva than when I started.

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People always buy what the organizations feed them. Because they don't want to watch the fights' date=' they want to hear what the "pros" have to say and pass it on as their own opinion. Silva is exactly like Fedor and Kimbo Slice. Both were praised by their organizations to be the best in the world. I argued and argued that Kimbo Slice was not only NOT the best, but not even good. The majority fan base looked at me like I was stupid. Same with Fedor, I said he is good, but overrated. You have to fight talent in order to prove yourself a good fighter, no one wanted to hear it. Silva IS a great fighter. But he is no where near the hype White wants to sell him at. White just knows that the weight class is 1 strong with dozens weak, weakest weight class in MMA for sure. Looking at his history shows the talent he has fought.

 

Reasons GSP is best.

 

Most people believe there are 3, but there are 6 cornerstones in MMA.

1.Striking-Silva is better.

2.Striking Defense-equal (debateable)Silva looks like he has better striking defense because of his flashy moves. But if you watch all of their fights GSP gets hit less.

3.Wrestling-GSP is better

4.Wrestling Defense-GSP is better

5.Ju-Jitsu GSP is better(don't argue, just google it or watch the fights)

6.Ju-Jitsu Defense-GSP is better (Fought Penn who is a world champion and did't avoid his BJJ. He actually dove right into it and won easy). If you are going to argue grease then watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjb6vMS5LHc This is a tired argument lead by haters who have no ground to argue on except looping video's doctored by other haters. If GSP was guilty he would have been punished, so drop it.

 

Being well rounded is very important. Everyone knows that GSP is the most well rounded athlete in the sport.

 

Records are another thing to consider when you are considering the best. GSP has a better winning record. Say what you want about who he has fought but top contender is top contender. GSP has only lost two rounds that I'm aware of in his entire career. Those rounds were lost because of one move each.

 

MMAth.

GSP beat Karo Paresian, Karo beat Ryo Chonan, Chonan beat Anderson Silva.

GSP beat Jake Shields, Shields beat Okami, Okami beat Anderson Silva.

We could argue that one a lot but no need, there are tons of more reasons.

 

When fighting you have to consider a fighter at his best potential and was he at his best in his career at the time of the fight. Any informed fan knows that fighters peak. Typically after hitting that peak they either fall quickly in talent or keep fighting and have to deal with Uninformed fans smear their name. I've seen people bashing Tito, Couture, Shamrock and even Royce Gracie. Every single day people learn new things to bring to MMA and it doesn't mean the legends are bad fighters. It simply means that EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER PEAKS. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Some fighters keep fighting after their peak. It's really sad to watch newbie fans bashing these incredible fighters with no knowledge of the sport when these guys didn't give up in their prime. They stuck around to fight top talent to test themselves knowing the majority would hate them(because MMA is growing very fast and the majority of the fanbase is new). This being said, everyone GSP has ever fought was at the best in their career when GSP faced them.

 

Silva's opponents have been weak all around since joining the UFC. He joined a weak weight class (don't get me wrong, there are no easy fights in the UFC, but MW is the weakest weight)(Only now because of the merger, HW was and MW was #2 weakest, now MW is the weakest) Please leave the garbage about how ?Silva makes them look weak?. I'm not a newbie fan, I've watched the fighters, they are weak when compared. Hendo was the only true force.

 

 

 

Most of GSP's opponents remained in the UFC because they are elite opponents, which is why he had the drive to make himself so good. In fact his first pro fight contender is in the UFC today, and winning. GSP is a future hall of famer. He has also beat a hall of famer and a future hall of famer.

 

Lets talk performances. I will not win this debate even though I do choose GSP. The debate that I see is a fighter that is a KO artist or a fighter who can pick apart the most elite fighters in the world, and typically win by such a large margin that fighter never has a chance to try ANYTHING. But I will and have admitted that the reason most of this WHOLE debate has been going on, is because of this. And the majority of the people like KO's so Anderson Silva wins by a long shot. Partly due to all of the merging fans from boxing and the new fans that don't know what passing guard is.

 

Win Streaks. Silva has the biggest but a lot of the opponents in this streak are terrible fighters and some are just not worthy of TOP MMA talk. Leites? Lutter? Irvin?Cote?Fryklund haha!? Just look at where they are now. Griffin and Belfort had peaked well before their encounter with Silva, Belfort more than Griffin. I love Griffin to death but he is most popular because he was in a slug war with ***** and neither of them had KO power, yet both had decent chins. Griffin has the best personallity in MMA which sells him to a lot of fans but he is one of the TWO people to get beat by Jeremy Horn by striking out of Horns 87 fights.

 

Losses. Easy debate yet a majority of the Silva fans I've talked to in the last month bring it up again and again. The fact is EVERY elite fighter will eventually have losses. Any fighter can win with luck on any given day. What matters is what you do about it. Lots of Silva fans debating me bring up Serra's KO. I saw it. GSP took him lightly, no mystery there. GSP came back to beat Serra so bad it was emberassing. He also came back to beat Hughes so bad it was emberassing. Silva never avenged his losses. And yes it is important to avenge your losses. If someone beats you, it means that someone is better than you until you prove it differently. That is MMA. Take it or leave it. GSP has beat EVERYONE he has ever fought. Silva never avenged his four losses. But he is expected to fight Okami again. Silva fans were raving about how Silva was winning that fight, but Okami only caught love tap kicks up until his takedown. Silva paniced and upkicked because all of his losses are on the ground. Silva not only lost, but he lost cheating. I'm not going to say Silva is going to win their second fight. But the talk about how Okami was losing is just trash, he made the only power move of the fight.

Other Silva losses include Ryo Chonan, who was beat by Paresian within the same time frame GSP beat Karo.

 

Domination. I've head a lot of ?lay and pray? talk about GSP lately. These fans are embarassing themselves. No one has ever seen GSP lay and pray. GSP mixes it up, if he gets the takedown, he is immediately working on passing guard. A lot of newbie fans call this ?hugging? or ?lay and pray?. He is always working with either striking or passing guard or GNP. A lot of Silva fans say he is more dominant. This is what is fun for me. No fighter in history has been more dominant than GSP. As I said before, most newbie fans only see stand-up and believe Silva is more dominant. But that's why it's called MIXED-Martial-Arts. GSP is better at that than anyone in the sport. Look at all of their fights. GSP has lost maybe 2 rounds in his career and he does not avoid a fight. He always pushes foreward dominating the entire time. Then look at Silva. He lost 4-5 rounds to a one dimentional Sonnen. He avoided Maia's ground game and set a record for most time lapsed without combat, over a full MINUTE at times. He also avoided Leites, yet just like Maia, Leites was trying to avoid the striking. Letites would try to pull guard and fall, yet Silva never moved back enough to let the ref stand them up. Silva would land just enough foot kicks to keep the BJJ guy grounded so he could run the clock. I've heard talk about how elite he was because he not only won, but he taunted. Real fighters don't taunt, they fight. No elite fighter wastes time taunting unless you are stalling for some reason. But it plays into the fan base that watches a lot of movies, gotta give it to Silva.

 

Finishes. This is 100% opinion based. I love seeing KO's, thats a fact. But when I can see GSP win against a top competitor in the sport and shut that elite fighter down so bad that the opponent almost never scores ONE offensive point the entire fight, that is talent (opinion). The finishing argument was out when they added a time limit. Some fighters are endurace, some are power. If you add a time limit to an endurace fighter, he may run out of time before his talent shows up. No fighter will TRY to win by judge. The judges are horrible as everyone knows. And the longer you are in a fight, the more time your opponent has to pull off a luck win, sub or ko. Why would anyone plan for that. I get a lot of debate on ?GSP fights safe so he's not best P4P?....If anything that gives him a better chance of winning the fight. Silva wouldn't default win if GSP didn't finish, lol.

 

The chain of fighters. The killer here is GSP has beat Karo Paresian who has beat Ryo Chonan. Ryo beat Silva. GSP beat Shields, who beat Okami, who beat Silva. The exact same night Shields beat Okami, he beat Condit. I've heard TONS of people saying Condit is better than GSP.

 

Even this person spoke up about it, watch it at 3:55.

 

GSP is the best P4P fighter in the world hands down. I did a lot of research for my threads and learned a lot about Silva. I was actually expecting to be proven wrong by some facts I didn't know, because I heard all of this talk. But after all of the research, I have less respect for Silva than when I started.[/quote']

 

....and with all that. My take on it.

 

Silva > GSP

 

You Jelly? :cool:

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Most people believe there are 3' date=' but there are 6 cornerstones in MMA.

1.Striking-Silva is better.

2.Striking Defense-equal (debateable)Silva looks like he has better striking defense because of his flashy moves. But if you watch all of their fights GSP gets hit less.

3.Wrestling-GSP is better

4.Wrestling Defense-GSP is better

5.Ju-Jitsu GSP is better(don't argue, just google it or watch the fights)

6.Ju-Jitsu Defense-GSP is better (Fought Penn who is a world champion and did't avoid his BJJ. He actually dove right into it and won easy). If you are going to argue grease then watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjb6vMS5LHc This is a tired argument lead by haters who have no ground to argue on except looping video's doctored by other haters. If GSP was guilty he would have been punished, so drop it.

 

Being well rounded is very important. Everyone knows that GSP is the most well rounded athlete in the sport.

 

Records are another thing to consider when you are considering the best. GSP has a better winning record. Say what you want about who he has fought but top contender is top contender. GSP has only lost two rounds that I'm aware of in his entire career. Those rounds were lost because of one move each.

 

MMAth.

GSP beat Karo Paresian, Karo beat Ryo Chonan, Chonan beat Anderson Silva.

GSP beat Jake Shields, Shields beat Okami, Okami beat Anderson Silva.

We could argue that one a lot but no need, there are tons of more reasons.

 

When fighting you have to consider a fighter at his best potential and was he at his best in his career at the time of the fight. Any informed fan knows that fighters peak. Typically after hitting that peak they either fall quickly in talent or keep fighting and have to deal with Uninformed fans smear their name. I've seen people bashing Tito, Couture, Shamrock and even Royce Gracie. Every single day people learn new things to bring to MMA and it doesn't mean the legends are bad fighters. It simply means that EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER PEAKS. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Some fighters keep fighting after their peak. It's really sad to watch newbie fans bashing these incredible fighters with no knowledge of the sport when these guys didn't give up in their prime. They stuck around to fight top talent to test themselves knowing the majority would hate them(because MMA is growing very fast and the majority of the fanbase is new). This being said, everyone GSP has ever fought was at the best in their career when GSP faced them.

 

Silva's opponents have been weak all around since joining the UFC. He joined a weak weight class (don't get me wrong, there are no easy fights in the UFC, but MW is the weakest weight)(Only now because of the merger, HW was and MW was #2 weakest, now MW is the weakest) Please leave the garbage about how “Silva makes them look weak”. I'm not a newbie fan, I've watched the fighters, they are weak when compared. Hendo was the only true force.

 

 

 

Most of GSP's opponents remained in the UFC because they are elite opponents, which is why he had the drive to make himself so good. In fact his first pro fight contender is in the UFC today, and winning. GSP is a future hall of famer. He has also beat a hall of famer and a future hall of famer.

 

Lets talk performances. I will not win this debate even though I do choose GSP. The debate that I see is a fighter that is a KO artist or a fighter who can pick apart the most elite fighters in the world, and typically win by such a large margin that fighter never has a chance to try ANYTHING. But I will and have admitted that the reason most of this WHOLE debate has been going on, is because of this. And the majority of the people like KO's so Anderson Silva wins by a long shot. Partly due to all of the merging fans from boxing and the new fans that don't know what passing guard is.

 

Win Streaks. Silva has the biggest but a lot of the opponents in this streak are terrible fighters and some are just not worthy of TOP MMA talk. Leites? Lutter? Irvin?Cote?Fryklund haha!? Just look at where they are now. Griffin and Belfort had peaked well before their encounter with Silva, Belfort more than Griffin. I love Griffin to death but he is most popular because he was in a slug war with ***** and neither of them had KO power, yet both had decent chins. Griffin has the best personallity in MMA which sells him to a lot of fans but he is one of the TWO people to get beat by Jeremy Horn by striking out of Horns 87 fights.

 

Losses. Easy debate yet a majority of the Silva fans I've talked to in the last month bring it up again and again. The fact is EVERY elite fighter will eventually have losses. Any fighter can win with luck on any given day. What matters is what you do about it. Lots of Silva fans debating me bring up Serra's KO. I saw it. GSP took him lightly, no mystery there. GSP came back to beat Serra so bad it was emberassing. He also came back to beat Hughes so bad it was emberassing. Silva never avenged his losses. And yes it is important to avenge your losses. If someone beats you, it means that someone is better than you until you prove it differently. That is MMA. Take it or leave it. GSP has beat EVERYONE he has ever fought. Silva never avenged his four losses. But he is expected to fight Okami again. Silva fans were raving about how Silva was winning that fight, but Okami only caught love tap kicks up until his takedown. Silva paniced and upkicked because all of his losses are on the ground. Silva not only lost, but he lost cheating. I'm not going to say Silva is going to win their second fight. But the talk about how Okami was losing is just trash, he made the only power move of the fight.

Other Silva losses include Ryo Chonan, who was beat by Paresian within the same time frame GSP beat Karo.

 

Domination. I've head a lot of “lay and pray” talk about GSP lately. These fans are embarassing themselves. No one has ever seen GSP lay and pray. GSP mixes it up, if he gets the takedown, he is immediately working on passing guard. A lot of newbie fans call this “hugging” or “lay and pray”. He is always working with either striking or passing guard or GNP. A lot of Silva fans say he is more dominant. This is what is fun for me. No fighter in history has been more dominant than GSP. As I said before, most newbie fans only see stand-up and believe Silva is more dominant. But that's why it's called MIXED-Martial-Arts. GSP is better at that than anyone in the sport. Look at all of their fights. GSP has lost maybe 2 rounds in his career and he does not avoid a fight. He always pushes foreward dominating the entire time. Then look at Silva. He lost 4-5 rounds to a one dimentional Sonnen. He avoided Maia's ground game and set a record for most time lapsed without combat, over a full MINUTE at times. He also avoided Leites, yet just like Maia, Leites was trying to avoid the striking. Letites would try to pull guard and fall, yet Silva never moved back enough to let the ref stand them up. Silva would land just enough foot kicks to keep the BJJ guy grounded so he could run the clock. I've heard talk about how elite he was because he not only won, but he taunted. Real fighters don't taunt, they fight. No elite fighter wastes time taunting unless you are stalling for some reason. But it plays into the fan base that watches a lot of movies, gotta give it to Silva.

 

Finishes. This is 100% opinion based. I love seeing KO's, thats a fact. But when I can see GSP win against a top competitor in the sport and shut that elite fighter down so bad that the opponent almost never scores ONE offensive point the entire fight, that is talent (opinion). The finishing argument was out when they added a time limit. Some fighters are endurace, some are power. If you add a time limit to an endurace fighter, he may run out of time before his talent shows up. No fighter will TRY to win by judge. The judges are horrible as everyone knows. And the longer you are in a fight, the more time your opponent has to pull off a luck win, sub or ko. Why would anyone plan for that. I get a lot of debate on “GSP fights safe so he's not best P4P”....If anything that gives him a better chance of winning the fight. Silva wouldn't default win if GSP didn't finish, lol.

 

The chain of fighters. The killer here is GSP has beat Karo Paresian who has beat Ryo Chonan. Ryo beat Silva. GSP beat Shields, who beat Okami, who beat Silva. The exact same night Shields beat Okami, he beat Condit. I've heard TONS of people saying Condit is better than GSP.

 

Even this person spoke up about it, watch it at 3:55.

 

GSP is the best P4P fighter in the world hands down. I did a lot of research for my threads and learned a lot about Silva. I was actually expecting to be proven wrong by some facts I didn't know, because I heard all of this talk. But after all of the research, I have less respect for Silva than when I started.[/quote']

 

Wow there are flaws in all your points....Also your using MMAth which discredits your points imo.... If i had more time i would break down the flaws but i'm tired and have work. GL man your gonna need it.

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People always buy what the organizations feed them. Because they don't want to watch the fights' date=' they want to hear what the "pros" have to say and pass it on as their own opinion. Silva is exactly like Fedor and Kimbo Slice. Both were praised by their organizations to be the best in the world. I argued and argued that Kimbo Slice was not only NOT the best, but not even good. The majority fan base looked at me like I was stupid. Same with Fedor, I said he is good, but overrated. You have to fight talent in order to prove yourself a good fighter, no one wanted to hear it. Silva IS a great fighter. But he is no where near the hype White wants to sell him at. White just knows that the weight class is 1 strong with dozens weak, weakest weight class in MMA for sure. Looking at his history shows the talent he has fought.

 

Reasons GSP is best.

 

Most people believe there are 3, but there are 6 cornerstones in MMA.

1.Striking-Silva is better.

2.Striking Defense-equal (debateable)Silva looks like he has better striking defense because of his flashy moves. But if you watch all of their fights GSP gets hit less.

3.Wrestling-GSP is better

4.Wrestling Defense-GSP is better

5.Ju-Jitsu GSP is better(don't argue, just google it or watch the fights)

6.Ju-Jitsu Defense-GSP is better (Fought Penn who is a world champion and did't avoid his BJJ. He actually dove right into it and won easy). If you are going to argue grease then watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjb6vMS5LHc This is a tired argument lead by haters who have no ground to argue on except looping video's doctored by other haters. If GSP was guilty he would have been punished, so drop it.

 

Being well rounded is very important. Everyone knows that GSP is the most well rounded athlete in the sport.

 

Records are another thing to consider when you are considering the best. GSP has a better winning record. Say what you want about who he has fought but top contender is top contender. GSP has only lost two rounds that I'm aware of in his entire career. Those rounds were lost because of one move each.

 

MMAth.

GSP beat Karo Paresian, Karo beat Ryo Chonan, Chonan beat Anderson Silva.

GSP beat Jake Shields, Shields beat Okami, Okami beat Anderson Silva.

We could argue that one a lot but no need, there are tons of more reasons.

 

When fighting you have to consider a fighter at his best potential and was he at his best in his career at the time of the fight. Any informed fan knows that fighters peak. Typically after hitting that peak they either fall quickly in talent or keep fighting and have to deal with Uninformed fans smear their name. I've seen people bashing Tito, Couture, Shamrock and even Royce Gracie. Every single day people learn new things to bring to MMA and it doesn't mean the legends are bad fighters. It simply means that EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER PEAKS. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Some fighters keep fighting after their peak. It's really sad to watch newbie fans bashing these incredible fighters with no knowledge of the sport when these guys didn't give up in their prime. They stuck around to fight top talent to test themselves knowing the majority would hate them(because MMA is growing very fast and the majority of the fanbase is new). This being said, everyone GSP has ever fought was at the best in their career when GSP faced them.

 

Silva's opponents have been weak all around since joining the UFC. He joined a weak weight class (don't get me wrong, there are no easy fights in the UFC, but MW is the weakest weight)(Only now because of the merger, HW was and MW was #2 weakest, now MW is the weakest) Please leave the garbage about how ?Silva makes them look weak?. I'm not a newbie fan, I've watched the fighters, they are weak when compared. Hendo was the only true force.

 

 

 

Most of GSP's opponents remained in the UFC because they are elite opponents, which is why he had the drive to make himself so good. In fact his first pro fight contender is in the UFC today, and winning. GSP is a future hall of famer. He has also beat a hall of famer and a future hall of famer.

 

Lets talk performances. I will not win this debate even though I do choose GSP. The debate that I see is a fighter that is a KO artist or a fighter who can pick apart the most elite fighters in the world, and typically win by such a large margin that fighter never has a chance to try ANYTHING. But I will and have admitted that the reason most of this WHOLE debate has been going on, is because of this. And the majority of the people like KO's so Anderson Silva wins by a long shot. Partly due to all of the merging fans from boxing and the new fans that don't know what passing guard is.

 

Win Streaks. Silva has the biggest but a lot of the opponents in this streak are terrible fighters and some are just not worthy of TOP MMA talk. Leites? Lutter? Irvin?Cote?Fryklund haha!? Just look at where they are now. Griffin and Belfort had peaked well before their encounter with Silva, Belfort more than Griffin. I love Griffin to death but he is most popular because he was in a slug war with ***** and neither of them had KO power, yet both had decent chins. Griffin has the best personallity in MMA which sells him to a lot of fans but he is one of the TWO people to get beat by Jeremy Horn by striking out of Horns 87 fights.

 

Losses. Easy debate yet a majority of the Silva fans I've talked to in the last month bring it up again and again. The fact is EVERY elite fighter will eventually have losses. Any fighter can win with luck on any given day. What matters is what you do about it. Lots of Silva fans debating me bring up Serra's KO. I saw it. GSP took him lightly, no mystery there. GSP came back to beat Serra so bad it was emberassing. He also came back to beat Hughes so bad it was emberassing. Silva never avenged his losses. And yes it is important to avenge your losses. If someone beats you, it means that someone is better than you until you prove it differently. That is MMA. Take it or leave it. GSP has beat EVERYONE he has ever fought. Silva never avenged his four losses. But he is expected to fight Okami again. Silva fans were raving about how Silva was winning that fight, but Okami only caught love tap kicks up until his takedown. Silva paniced and upkicked because all of his losses are on the ground. Silva not only lost, but he lost cheating. I'm not going to say Silva is going to win their second fight. But the talk about how Okami was losing is just trash, he made the only power move of the fight.

Other Silva losses include Ryo Chonan, who was beat by Paresian within the same time frame GSP beat Karo.

 

Domination. I've head a lot of ?lay and pray? talk about GSP lately. These fans are embarassing themselves. No one has ever seen GSP lay and pray. GSP mixes it up, if he gets the takedown, he is immediately working on passing guard. A lot of newbie fans call this ?hugging? or ?lay and pray?. He is always working with either striking or passing guard or GNP. A lot of Silva fans say he is more dominant. This is what is fun for me. No fighter in history has been more dominant than GSP. As I said before, most newbie fans only see stand-up and believe Silva is more dominant. But that's why it's called MIXED-Martial-Arts. GSP is better at that than anyone in the sport. Look at all of their fights. GSP has lost maybe 2 rounds in his career and he does not avoid a fight. He always pushes foreward dominating the entire time. Then look at Silva. He lost 4-5 rounds to a one dimentional Sonnen. He avoided Maia's ground game and set a record for most time lapsed without combat, over a full MINUTE at times. He also avoided Leites, yet just like Maia, Leites was trying to avoid the striking. Letites would try to pull guard and fall, yet Silva never moved back enough to let the ref stand them up. Silva would land just enough foot kicks to keep the BJJ guy grounded so he could run the clock. I've heard talk about how elite he was because he not only won, but he taunted. Real fighters don't taunt, they fight. No elite fighter wastes time taunting unless you are stalling for some reason. But it plays into the fan base that watches a lot of movies, gotta give it to Silva.

 

Finishes. This is 100% opinion based. I love seeing KO's, thats a fact. But when I can see GSP win against a top competitor in the sport and shut that elite fighter down so bad that the opponent almost never scores ONE offensive point the entire fight, that is talent (opinion). The finishing argument was out when they added a time limit. Some fighters are endurace, some are power.

 

The chain of fighters. The killer here is GSP has beat Karo Paresian who has beat Ryo Chonan. Ryo beat Silva. GSP beat Shields, who beat Okami, who beat Silva. The exact same night Shields beat Okami, he beat Condit. I've heard TONS of people saying Condit is better than GSP.

 

Even this person spoke up about it, watch it at 3:55.

 

GSP is the best P4P fighter in the world hands down. I did a lot of research for my threads and learned a lot about Silva. I was actually expecting to be proven wrong by some facts I didn't know, because I heard all of this talk. But after all of the research, I have less respect for Silva than when I started.[/quote']

 

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i think you listen to , too much Chael Sonnen. I listen to Chael Sonnen too, but theres a difference.

 

I DONT TAKE CHAEL SERIOUSLY and if you do you woulod have to be nuts..The guy thinks Nog's training sux..even though he trains guys like Dos Santos and Machida and tons of amazing fighters train with Nogeiura. Pretty delusional and dumb dont you think? So be aware of what you believe coming out of Chael's mouth, theres a reason he doesnt want to go to Brazil to support his GUY, because people might get nasty because of all the dumb sht hes said!!!!

 

However on a side note Chael has been seen numerous amounts of times at Jui Jitsu academys and gyms throughout the US and seems to have more respect for BJJ OFF camera than in front of it, hes an entertainment junkie and does a Rashad switch off camera.

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People always buy what the organizations feed them. Because they don't want to watch the fights' date=' they want to hear what the "pros" have to say and pass it on as their own opinion. Silva is exactly like Fedor and Kimbo Slice. Both were praised by their organizations to be the best in the world. I argued and argued that Kimbo Slice was not only NOT the best, but not even good. The majority fan base looked at me like I was stupid. Same with Fedor, I said he is good, but overrated. You have to fight talent in order to prove yourself a good fighter, no one wanted to hear it. Silva IS a great fighter. But he is no where near the hype White wants to sell him at. White just knows that the weight class is 1 strong with dozens weak, weakest weight class in MMA for sure. Looking at his history shows the talent he has fought.

 

Reasons GSP is best.

 

Most people believe there are 3, but there are 6 cornerstones in MMA.

1.Striking-Silva is better.

2.Striking Defense-equal (debateable)Silva looks like he has better striking defense because of his flashy moves. But if you watch all of their fights GSP gets hit less.

3.Wrestling-GSP is better

4.Wrestling Defense-GSP is better

5.Ju-Jitsu GSP is better(don't argue, just google it or watch the fights)

6.Ju-Jitsu Defense-GSP is better (Fought Penn who is a world champion and did't avoid his BJJ. He actually dove right into it and won easy). If you are going to argue grease then watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjb6vMS5LHc This is a tired argument lead by haters who have no ground to argue on except looping video's doctored by other haters. If GSP was guilty he would have been punished, so drop it.

 

Being well rounded is very important. Everyone knows that GSP is the most well rounded athlete in the sport.

 

 

MMAth.

GSP beat Karo Paresian, Karo beat Ryo Chonan, Chonan beat Anderson Silva.

GSP beat Jake Shields, Shields beat Okami, Okami beat Anderson Silva.

We could argue that one a lot but no need, there are tons of more reasons.

 

When fighting you have to consider a fighter at his best potential and was he at his best in his career at the time of the fight. Any informed fan knows that fighters peak. Typically after hitting that peak they either fall quickly in talent or keep fighting and have to deal with Uninformed fans smear their name. I've seen people bashing Tito, Couture, Shamrock and even Royce Gracie. Every single day people learn new things to bring to MMA and it doesn't mean the legends are bad fighters. It simply means that EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER PEAKS. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Some fighters keep fighting after their peak. It's really sad to watch newbie fans bashing these incredible fighters with no knowledge of the sport when these guys didn't give up in their prime. They stuck around to fight top talent to test themselves knowing the majority would hate them(because MMA is growing very fast and the majority of the fanbase is new). This being said, everyone GSP has ever fought was at the best in their career when GSP faced them.

 

Silva's opponents have been weak all around since joining the UFC. He joined a weak weight class (don't get me wrong, there are no easy fights in the UFC, but MW is the weakest weight)(Only now because of the merger, HW was and MW was #2 weakest, now MW is the weakest) Please leave the garbage about how ?Silva makes them look weak?. I'm not a newbie fan, I've watched the fighters, they are weak when compared. Hendo was the only true force.

 

 

 

Most of GSP's opponents remained in the UFC because they are elite opponents, which is why he had the drive to make himself so good. In fact his first pro fight contender is in the UFC today, and winning. GSP is a future hall of famer. He has also beat a hall of famer and a future hall of famer.

 

Lets talk performances. I will not win this debate even though I do choose GSP. The debate that I see is a fighter that is a KO artist or a fighter who can pick apart the most elite fighters in the world, and typically win by such a large margin that fighter never has a chance to try ANYTHING. But I will and have admitted that the reason most of this WHOLE debate has been going on, is because of this. And the majority of the people like KO's so Anderson Silva wins by a long shot. Partly due to all of the merging fans from boxing and the new fans that don't know what passing guard is.

 

Win Streaks. Silva has the biggest but a lot of the opponents in this streak are terrible fighters and some are just not worthy of TOP MMA talk. Leites? Lutter? Irvin?Cote?Fryklund haha!? Just look at where they are now. Griffin and Belfort had peaked well before their encounter with Silva, Belfort more than Griffin. I love Griffin to death but he is most popular because he was in a slug war with ***** and neither of them had KO power, yet both had decent chins. Griffin has the best personallity in MMA which sells him to a lot of fans but he is one of the TWO people to get beat by Jeremy Horn by striking out of Horns 87 fights.

 

Losses. Easy debate yet a majority of the Silva fans I've talked to in the last month bring it up again and again. The fact is EVERY elite fighter will eventually have losses. Any fighter can win with luck on any given day. What matters is what you do about it. Lots of Silva fans debating me bring up Serra's KO. I saw it. GSP took him lightly, no mystery there. GSP came back to beat Serra so bad it was emberassing. He also came back to beat Hughes so bad it was emberassing. Silva never avenged his losses. And yes it is important to avenge your losses. If someone beats you, it means that someone is better than you until you prove it differently. That is MMA. Take it or leave it. GSP has beat EVERYONE he has ever fought. Silva never avenged his four losses. But he is expected to fight Okami again. Silva fans were raving about how Silva was winning that fight, but Okami only caught love tap kicks up until his takedown. Silva paniced and upkicked because all of his losses are on the ground. Silva not only lost, but he lost cheating. I'm not going to say Silva is going to win their second fight. But the talk about how Okami was losing is just trash, he made the only power move of the fight.

Other Silva losses include Ryo Chonan, who was beat by Paresian within the same time frame GSP beat Karo.

 

Domination. I've head a lot of ?lay and pray? talk about GSP lately. These fans are embarassing themselves. No one has ever seen GSP lay and pray. GSP mixes it up, if he gets the takedown, he is immediately working on passing guard. A lot of newbie fans call this ?hugging? or ?lay and pray?. He is always working with either striking or passing guard or GNP. A lot of Silva fans say he is more dominant. This is what is fun for me. No fighter in history has been more dominant than GSP. As I said before, most newbie fans only see stand-up and believe Silva is more dominant. But that's why it's called MIXED-Martial-Arts. GSP is better at that than anyone in the sport. Look at all of their fights. GSP has lost maybe 2 rounds in his career and he does not avoid a fight. He always pushes foreward dominating the entire time. Then look at Silva. He lost 4-5 rounds to a one dimentional Sonnen. He avoided Maia's ground game and set a record for most time lapsed without combat, over a full MINUTE at times. He also avoided Leites, yet just like Maia, Leites was trying to avoid the striking. Letites would try to pull guard and fall, yet Silva never moved back enough to let the ref stand them up. Silva would land just enough foot kicks to keep the BJJ guy grounded so he could run the clock. I've heard talk about how elite he was because he not only won, but he taunted. Real fighters don't taunt, they fight. No elite fighter wastes time taunting unless you are stalling for some reason. But it plays into the fan base that watches a lot of movies, gotta give it to Silva.

 

Finishes. This is 100% opinion based. I love seeing KO's, thats a fact. But when I can see GSP win against a top competitor in the sport and shut that elite fighter down so bad that the opponent almost never scores ONE offensive point the entire fight, that is talent (opinion). The finishing argument was out when they added a time limit. Some fighters are endurace, some are power. If you add a time limit to an endurace fighter, he may run out of time before his talent shows up. No fighter will TRY to win by judge. The judges are horrible as everyone knows. And the longer you are in a fight, the more time your opponent has to pull off a luck win, sub or ko. Why would anyone plan for that. I get a lot of debate on ?GSP fights safe so he's not best P4P?....If anything that gives him a better chance of winning the fight. Silva wouldn't default win if GSP didn't finish, lol.

 

The chain of fighters. The killer here is GSP has beat Karo Paresian who has beat Ryo Chonan. Ryo beat Silva. GSP beat Shields, who beat Okami, who beat Silva. The exact same night Shields beat Okami, he beat Condit. I've heard TONS of people saying Condit is better than GSP.

 

Even this person spoke up about it, watch it at 3:55.

 

GSP is the best P4P fighter in the world hands down. I did a lot of research for my threads and learned a lot about Silva. I was actually expecting to be proven wrong by some facts I didn't know, because I heard all of this talk. But after all of the research, I have less respect for Silva than when I started.[/quote']

 

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People always buy what the organizations feed them. Because they don't want to watch the fights' date=' they want to hear what the "pros" have to say and pass it on as their own opinion. Silva is exactly like Fedor and Kimbo Slice. Both were praised by their organizations to be the best in the world. I argued and argued that Kimbo Slice was not only NOT the best, but not even good. The majority fan base looked at me like I was stupid. Same with Fedor, I said he is good, but overrated. You have to fight talent in order to prove yourself a good fighter, no one wanted to hear it. Silva IS a great fighter. But he is no where near the hype White wants to sell him at. White just knows that the weight class is 1 strong with dozens weak, weakest weight class in MMA for sure. Looking at his history shows the talent he has fought.

 

Reasons GSP is best

 

Most people believe there are 3, but there are 6 cornerstones in MMA.

1.Striking-Silva is better.

2.Striking Defense-equal (debateable)Silva looks like he has better striking defense because of his flashy moves. But if you watch all of their fights GSP gets hit less.

3.Wrestling-GSP is better

4.Wrestling Defense-GSP is better

5.Ju-Jitsu GSP is better(don't argue, just google it or watch the fights)

6.Ju-Jitsu Defense-GSP is better (Fought Penn who is a world champion and did't avoid his BJJ. He actually dove right into it and won easy). If you are going to argue grease then watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjb6vMS5LHc This is a tired argument lead by haters who have no ground to argue on except looping video's doctored by other haters. If GSP was guilty he would have been punished, so drop it.

 

Being well rounded is very important. Everyone knows that GSP is the most well rounded athlete in the sport.

 

Records are another thing to consider when you are considering the best. GSP has a better winning record. Say what you want about who he has fought but top contender is top contender. GSP has only lost two rounds that I'm aware of in his entire career. Those rounds were lost because of one move each.

 

MMAth.

GSP beat Karo Paresian, Karo beat Ryo Chonan, Chonan beat Anderson Silva.

GSP beat Jake Shields, Shields beat Okami, Okami beat Anderson Silva.

We could argue that one a lot but no need, there are tons of more reasons.

 

When fighting you have to consider a fighter at his best potential and was he at his best in his career at the time of the fight. Any informed fan knows that fighters peak. Typically after hitting that peak they either fall quickly in talent or keep fighting and have to deal with Uninformed fans smear their name. I've seen people bashing Tito, Couture, Shamrock and even Royce Gracie. Every single day people learn new things to bring to MMA and it doesn't mean the legends are bad fighters. It simply means that EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER PEAKS. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Some fighters keep fighting after their peak. It's really sad to watch newbie fans bashing these incredible fighters with no knowledge of the sport when these guys didn't give up in their prime. They stuck around to fight top talent to test themselves knowing the majority would hate them(because MMA is growing very fast and the majority of the fanbase is new). This being said, everyone GSP has ever fought was at the best in their career when GSP faced them.

 

Silva's opponents have been weak all around since joining the UFC. He joined a weak weight class (don't get me wrong, there are no easy fights in the UFC, but MW is the weakest weight)(Only now because of the merger, HW was and MW was #2 weakest, now MW is the weakest) Please leave the garbage about how ?Silva makes them look weak?. I'm not a newbie fan, I've watched the fighters, they are weak when compared. Hendo was the only true force.

 

 

 

Most of GSP's opponents remained in the UFC because they are elite opponents, which is why he had the drive to make himself so good. In fact his first pro fight contender is in the UFC today, and winning. GSP is a future hall of famer. He has also beat a hall of famer and a future hall of famer.

 

Lets talk performances. I will not win this debate even though I do choose GSP. The debate that I see is a fighter that is a KO artist or a fighter who can pick apart the most elite fighters in the world, and typically win by such a large margin that fighter never has a chance to try ANYTHING. But I will and have admitted that the reason most of this WHOLE debate has been going on, is because of this. And the majority of the people like KO's so Anderson Silva wins by a long shot. Partly due to all of the merging fans from boxing and the new fans that don't know what passing guard is.

 

Win Streaks. Silva has the biggest but a lot of the opponents in this streak are terrible fighters and some are just not worthy of TOP MMA talk. Leites? Lutter? Irvin?Cote?Fryklund haha!? Just look at where they are now. Griffin and Belfort had peaked well before their encounter with Silva, Belfort more than Griffin. I love Griffin to death but he is most popular because he was in a slug war with ***** and neither of them had KO power, yet both had decent chins. Griffin has the best personallity in MMA which sells him to a lot of fans but he is one of the TWO people to get beat by Jeremy Horn by striking out of Horns 87 fights.

 

Losses. Easy debate yet a majority of the Silva fans I've talked to in the last month bring it up again and again. The fact is EVERY elite fighter will eventually have losses. Any fighter can win with luck on any given day. What matters is what you do about it. Lots of Silva fans debating me bring up Serra's KO. I saw it. GSP took him lightly, no mystery there. GSP came back to beat Serra so bad it was emberassing. He also came back to beat Hughes so bad it was emberassing. Silva never avenged his losses. And yes it is important to avenge your losses. If someone beats you, it means that someone is better than you until you prove it differently. That is MMA. Take it or leave it. GSP has beat EVERYONE he has ever fought. Silva never avenged his four losses. But he is expected to fight Okami again. Silva fans were raving about how Silva was winning that fight, but Okami only caught love tap kicks up until his takedown. Silva paniced and upkicked because all of his losses are on the ground. Silva not only lost, but he lost cheating. I'm not going to say Silva is going to win their second fight. But the talk about how Okami was losing is just trash, he made the only power move of the fight.

Other Silva losses include Ryo Chonan, who was beat by Paresian within the same time frame GSP beat Karo.

 

Domination. I've head a lot of ?lay and pray? talk about GSP lately. These fans are embarassing themselves. No one has ever seen GSP lay and pray. GSP mixes it up, if he gets the takedown, he is immediately working on passing guard. A lot of newbie fans call this ?hugging? or ?lay and pray?. He is always working with either striking or passing guard or GNP. A lot of Silva fans say he is more dominant. This is what is fun for me. No fighter in history has been more dominant than GSP. As I said before, most newbie fans only see stand-up and believe Silva is more dominant. But that's why it's called MIXED-Martial-Arts. GSP is better at that than anyone in the sport. Look at all of their fights. GSP has lost maybe 2 rounds in his career and he does not avoid a fight. He always pushes foreward dominating the entire time. Then look at Silva. He lost 4-5 rounds to a one dimentional Sonnen. He avoided Maia's ground game and set a record for most time lapsed without combat, over a full MINUTE at times. He also avoided Leites, yet just like Maia, Leites was trying to avoid the striking. Letites would try to pull guard and fall, yet Silva never moved back enough to let the ref stand them up. Silva would land just enough foot kicks to keep the BJJ guy grounded so he could run the clock. I've heard talk about how elite he was because he not only won, but he taunted. Real fighters don't taunt, they fight. No elite fighter wastes time taunting unless you are stalling for some reason. But it plays into the fan base that watches a lot of movies, gotta give it to Silva.

 

Finishes. This is 100% opinion based. I love seeing KO's, thats a fact. But when I can see GSP win against a top competitor in the sport and shut that elite fighter down so bad that the opponent almost never scores ONE offensive point the entire fight, that is talent (opinion). The finishing argument was out when they added a time limit. Some fighters are endurace, some are power. If you add a time limit to an endurace fighter, he may run out of time before his talent shows up. No fighter will TRY to win by judge. The judges are horrible as everyone knows. And the longer you are in a fight, the more time your opponent has to pull off a luck win, sub or ko. Why would anyone plan for that. I get a lot of debate on ?GSP fights safe so he's not best P4P?....If anything that gives him a better chance of winning the fight. Silva wouldn't default win if GSP didn't finish, lol.

 

The chain of fighters. The killer here is GSP has beat Karo Paresian who has beat Ryo Chonan. Ryo beat Silva. GSP beat Shields, who beat Okami, who beat Silva. The exact same night Shields beat Okami, he beat Condit. I've heard TONS of people saying Condit is better than GSP.

 

Even this person spoke up about it, watch it at 3:55.

 

GSP is the best P4P fighter in the world hands down. I did a lot of research for my threads and learned a lot about Silva. I was actually expecting to be proven wrong by some facts I didn't know, because I heard all of this talk. But after all of the research, I have less respect for Silva than when I started.[/quote']

 

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People always buy what the organizations feed them. Because they don't want to watch the fights' date=' they want to hear what the "pros" have to say and pass it on as their own opinion. Silva is exactly like Fedor and Kimbo Slice. Both were praised by their organizations to be the best in the world. I argued and argued that Kimbo Slice was not only NOT the best, but not even good. The majority fan base looked at me like I was stupid. Same with Fedor, I said he is good, but overrated. You have to fight talent in order to prove yourself a good fighter, no one wanted to hear it. Silva IS a great fighter. But he is no where near the hype White wants to sell him at. White just knows that the weight class is 1 strong with dozens weak, weakest weight class in MMA for sure. Looking at his history shows the talent he has fought.

 

Reasons GSP is best.

 

Most people believe there are 3, but there are 6 cornerstones in MMA.

1.Striking-Silva is better.

2.Striking Defense-equal (debateable)Silva looks like he has better striking defense because of his flashy moves. But if you watch all of their fights GSP gets hit less.

3.Wrestling-GSP is better

4.Wrestling Defense-GSP is better

5.Ju-Jitsu GSP is better(don't argue, just google it or watch the fights)

6.Ju-Jitsu Defense-GSP is better (Fought Penn who is a world champion and did't avoid his BJJ. He actually dove right into it and won easy). If you are going to argue grease then watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjb6vMS5LHc This is a tired argument lead by haters who have no ground to argue on except looping video's doctored by other haters. If GSP was guilty he would have been punished, so drop it.

 

Being well rounded is very important. Everyone knows that GSP is the most well rounded athlete in the sport.

 

Records are another thing to consider when you are considering the best. GSP has a better winning record. Say what you want about who he has fought but top contender is top contender. GSP has only lost two rounds that I'm aware of in his entire career. Those rounds were lost because of one move each.

 

MMAth.

GSP beat Karo Paresian, Karo beat Ryo Chonan, Chonan beat Anderson Silva.

GSP beat Jake Shields, Shields beat Okami, Okami beat Anderson Silva.

We could argue that one a lot but no need, there are tons of more reasons.

 

When fighting you have to consider a fighter at his best potential and was he at his best in his career at the time of the fight. Any informed fan knows that fighters peak. Typically after hitting that peak they either fall quickly in talent or keep fighting and have to deal with Uninformed fans smear their name. I've seen people bashing Tito, Couture, Shamrock and even Royce Gracie. Every single day people learn new things to bring to MMA and it doesn't mean the legends are bad fighters. It simply means that EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER PEAKS. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Some fighters keep fighting after their peak. It's really sad to watch newbie fans bashing these incredible fighters with no knowledge of the sport when these guys didn't give up in their prime. They stuck around to fight top talent to test themselves knowing the majority would hate them(because MMA is growing very fast and the majority of the fanbase is new). This being said, everyone GSP has ever fought was at the best in their career when GSP faced them.

 

Silva's opponents have been weak all around since joining the UFC. He joined a weak weight class (don't get me wrong, there are no easy fights in the UFC, but MW is the weakest weight)(Only now because of the merger, HW was and MW was #2 weakest, now MW is the weakest) Please leave the garbage about how ?Silva makes them look weak?. I'm not a newbie fan, I've watched the fighters, they are weak when compared. Hendo was the only true force.

 

 

 

Most of GSP's opponents remained in the UFC because they are elite opponents, which is why he had the drive to make himself so good. In fact his first pro fight contender is in the UFC today, and winning. GSP is a future hall of famer. He has also beat a hall of famer and a future hall of famer.

 

Lets talk performances. I will not win this debate even though I do choose GSP. The debate that I see is a fighter that is a KO artist or a fighter who can pick apart the most elite fighters in the world, and typically win by such a large margin that fighter never has a chance to try ANYTHING. But I will and have admitted that the reason most of this WHOLE debate has been going on, is because of this. And the majority of the people like KO's so Anderson Silva wins by a long shot. Partly due to all of the merging fans from boxing and the new fans that don't know what passing guard is.

 

Win Streaks. Silva has the biggest but a lot of the opponents in this streak are terrible fighters and some are just not worthy of TOP MMA talk. Leites? Lutter? Irvin?Cote?Fryklund haha!? Just look at where they are now. Griffin and Belfort had peaked well before their encounter with Silva, Belfort more than Griffin. I love Griffin to death but he is most popular because he was in a slug war with ***** and neither of them had KO power, yet both had decent chins. Griffin has the best personallity in MMA which sells him to a lot of fans but he is one of the TWO people to get beat by Jeremy Horn by striking out of Horns 87 fights.

 

Losses. Easy debate yet a majority of the Silva fans I've talked to in the last month bring it up again and again. The fact is EVERY elite fighter will eventually have losses. Any fighter can win with luck on any given day. What matters is what you do about it. Lots of Silva fans debating me bring up Serra's KO. I saw it. GSP took him lightly, no mystery there. GSP came back to beat Serra so bad it was emberassing. He also came back to beat Hughes so bad it was emberassing. Silva never avenged his losses. And yes it is important to avenge your losses. If someone beats you, it means that someone is better than you until you prove it differently. That is MMA. Take it or leave it. GSP has beat EVERYONE he has ever fought. Silva never avenged his four losses. But he is expected to fight Okami again. Silva fans were raving about how Silva was winning that fight, but Okami only caught love tap kicks up until his takedown. Silva paniced and upkicked because all of his losses are on the ground. Silva not only lost, but he lost cheating. I'm not going to say Silva is going to win their second fight. But the talk about how Okami was losing is just trash, he made the only power move of the fight.

Other Silva losses include Ryo Chonan, who was beat by Paresian within the same time frame GSP beat Karo.

 

Domination. I've head a lot of ?lay and pray? talk about GSP lately. These fans are embarassing themselves. No one has ever seen GSP lay and pray. GSP mixes it up, if he gets the takedown, he is immediately working on passing guard. A lot of newbie fans call this ?hugging? or ?lay and pray?. He is always working with either striking or passing guard or GNP. A lot of Silva fans say he is more dominant. This is what is fun for me. No fighter in history has been more dominant than GSP. As I said before, most newbie fans only see stand-up and believe Silva is more dominant. But that's why it's called MIXED-Martial-Arts. GSP is better at that than anyone in the sport. Look at all of their fights. GSP has lost maybe 2 rounds in his career and he does not avoid a fight. He always pushes foreward dominating the entire time. Then look at Silva. He lost 4-5 rounds to a one dimentional Sonnen. He avoided Maia's ground game and set a record for most time lapsed without combat, over a full MINUTE at times. He also avoided Leites, yet just like Maia, Leites was trying to avoid the striking. Letites would try to pull guard and fall, yet Silva never moved back enough to let the ref stand them up. Silva would land just enough foot kicks to keep the BJJ guy grounded so he could run the clock. I've heard talk about how elite he was because he not only won, but he taunted. Real fighters don't taunt, they fight. No elite fighter wastes time taunting unless you are stalling for some reason. But it plays into the fan base that watches a lot of movies, gotta give it to Silva.

 

Finishes. This is 100% opinion based. I love seeing KO's, thats a fact. But when I can see GSP win against a top competitor in the sport and shut that elite fighter down so bad that the opponent almost never scores ONE offensive point the entire fight, that is talent (opinion). The finishing argument was out when they added a time limit. Some fighters are endurace, some are power. If you add a time limit to an endurace fighter, he may run out of time before his talent shows up. No fighter will TRY to win by judge. The judges are horrible as everyone knows. And the longer you are in a fight, the more time your opponent has to pull off a luck win, sub or ko. Why would anyone plan for that. I get a lot of debate on ?GSP fights safe so he's not best P4P?....If anything that gives him a better chance of winning the fight. Silva wouldn't default win if GSP didn't finish, lol.

 

The chain of fighters. The killer here is GSP has beat Karo Paresian who has beat Ryo Chonan. Ryo beat Silva. GSP beat Shields, who beat Okami, who beat Silva. The exact same night Shields beat Okami, he beat Condit. I've heard TONS of people saying Condit is better than GSP.

 

Even this person spoke up about it, watch it at 3:55.

 

GSP is the best P4P fighter in the world hands down. I did a lot of research for my threads and learned a lot about Silva. I was actually expecting to be proven wrong by some facts I didn't know, because I heard all of this talk. But after all of the research, I have less respect for Silva than when I started.[/quote']

 

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Reasons GSP is best.

 

Most people believe there are 3' date=' but there are 6 cornerstones in MMA.

1.Striking-Silva is better.

2.Striking Defense-equal (debateable)Silva looks like he has better striking defense because of his flashy moves. But if you watch all of their fights GSP gets hit less.

3.Wrestling-GSP is better

4.Wrestling Defense-GSP is better

5.Ju-Jitsu GSP is better(don't argue, just google it or watch the fights)

6.Ju-Jitsu Defense-GSP is better (Fought Penn who is a world champion and did't avoid his BJJ. He actually dove right into it and won easy). If you are going to argue grease then watch this

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1. I agree that Silva's striking is better, but not only that. It is light years better then GSP's.

 

2. Striking Defense - It's not even close, Silva's is light years better, yet again. If you need reference, just look at how easily tagged and cut GSP has been in his recent fights. Most recently with Jake Shields. Silva is practically moving like he is in the Matrix.

 

3. Wrestling/takedowns, GSP is way better then Silva.

 

4. Wrestling defense/take down defense, GSP is way better then Silva at this.

 

5. Jiu-Jitsu, Silva is much better then GSP at this. GSP had issues finishing Dan Hardy of all people with a submission. Silva is highly underrated with his BJJ.

 

6. Jiu-Jitsu defense, I would say they are both relatively equal in this.

 

Overall assessment: Silva > GSP

 

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