shinyaaoki Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 I am really waiting for an Asian fighter to dominate the UFC. But so far every asian fighter has been total disappointment. Asia is where martial arts was founded, so why aren't there more Asian champs. Kim ko'd by Condit, Dongi Yang loses to McGee, Okami close but no cigar, even the hot prospects that are imported from japan have been disappointing; kid yamamoto, gomi, sexyama, all have been losing. I'll even throw in Aoki, who came to strike force only to be dominated by Melendez. WTF Asians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vweek Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 The rules and scoring are different in America, and not many Asian fighters cut weight, and few Asian fighters have a solid wrestling base, so they often get outmuscled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxx77 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Lyoto is half if that makes a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayzee Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 BJ Penn is half Asian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verJJ Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 I am really waiting for an Asian fighter to dominate the UFC. But so far every asian fighter has been total disappointment. Asia is where martial arts was founded' date=' so why aren't there more Asian champs. Kim ko'd by Condit, Dongi Yang loses to McGee, Okami close but no cigar, even the hot prospects that are imported from japan have been disappointing; kid yamamoto, gomi, sexyama, all have been losing. I'll even throw in Aoki, who came to strike force only to be dominated by Melendez. WTF Asians?[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 They haven't discovered steroids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandPatriot Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 We try, ok!! :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Roy_Fan Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 asian brotha cant get no love - nam phan and its because japanese people dont drink as much milk as americans and canadians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinyaaoki Posted October 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 and its because japanese people dont drink as much milk as americans and canadians aha I knew there was a conspiracy, goddamm tainted cows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinyaaoki Posted October 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 We try' date=' ok!! :mad:[/quote']Try harder, PPV aint cheap you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 The only thing good about this thread is TS name - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinyaaoki Posted October 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Lyoto is half if that makes a differenceyes, he associates himself more closely to brazilian than his asian half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuberling Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 In all fairness, Aoki losing to Melendez isn't that bad. Everyone loses to Melendez, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel316 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 I feel the same way shinya..im american and ive been waiting for an asian or even a british champion for years..guess im jus tired of seeing americans and brazilians being the only dominant fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Bendo is half-korean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jduk Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 If they would cut weight they'd win more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Judo is a good martial art but its hard to apply in the cage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jduk Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Judo is a good martial art but its hard to apply in the cage Karo was the best I've seen (yes I know he's not asian), Akiyama has been a let down in that regard, I didn't know anything about him but heard he was a 3rd Dan Judoka and got excited, proper let down That being said he might be able to grapple more effectively at 170 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbaricBob Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 yes' date=' he associates himself more closely to brazilian than his asian half.[/quote'] He is often seen as Brazilian because he was born there. If he was born in Japan, they would consider him Japanese. Either way being born in Brazil to a Shotokan Karate master is a good recipe for a fighter. Learn karate, then go learn BJJ. Also I just found out Machida has a young son, less then a year old I think. Start training him now, and put him in a triple threat match with the Rufio brothers at UFC 420. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliedwarior Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 The rules and scoring are different in America' date=' and not many Asian fighters cut weight, and few Asian fighters have a solid wrestling base, so they often get outmuscled.[/quote'] these three are the main reasons why, wrestling, weight difference, and rules./scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RashadP4P1 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 I am really waiting for an Asian fighter to dominate the UFC. But so far every asian fighter has been total disappointment. Asia is where martial arts was founded' date=' so why aren't there more Asian champs. Kim ko'd by Condit, Dongi Yang loses to McGee, Okami close but no cigar, even the hot prospects that are imported from japan have been disappointing; kid yamamoto, gomi, sexyama, all have been losing. I'll even throw in Aoki, who came to strike force only to be dominated by Melendez. WTF Asians?[/quote'] 1 word WRESTLING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Asian are slower to change things....its just how they are How many asians have good wrestling?....most are really good in there one style but thats it (aoki...sexyama if he used his judo....kid yamamoto...okami) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 1 word WRESTLING Is that a new style of wrestling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 If they create a flyweight division and bring in Rambaa Somdet he will be champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayzee Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Yushi Okami is a wrestler too and that served him well until he met Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 I'm guessing the OP didn't watch pride? go watch some sakuraba clips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweak Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Korean Zombie will prove everyone wrong. P4P most exciting fighter has gotta mean something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaven Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Oh the irony.. Asians went from the top fighters to.. umm yeah, second to America. I am as many are, greatly disappointed by this. It would be nice to see some top of the notch Asian players in the mix. And you'd think that growing up in an Asian country would give them an advantage considering most of the fighting styles used today originated from the Asian cultures. However, factors of vital importance may have determined who will be ontop, for the time being that is. For some reason whenever I see an Asian competing in a fighting competition I seem to favor them over the opposing player who isn't Asian. Yet I never saw this coming by any means. Not that I'm desperate to see an Asian mow down the competition.nor should we ever judge someone on their race having anything to do with their fighting capability as some do unfortunately. I do expect that those people from other countries in general, especially Asia, to become more prone to compete in the UFC. Heck, I'm sure there are plenty of Asians who watch and want to compete, in the UFC. For example: Donnie Yen, but I doubt he'll actually compete considering his age and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Oh the irony.. Asians went from the top fighters to.. umm yeah' date=' second to America. I am as many are, greatly disappointed by this. It would be nice to see some top of the notch Asian players in the mix. And you'd think that growing up in an Asian country would give them an advantage considering most of the fighting styles used today originated from the Asian cultures. However, factors of vital importance may have determined who will be ontop, for the time being that is. For some reason whenever I see an Asian competing in a fighting competition I seem to favor them over the opposing player who isn't Asian. Yet I never saw this coming by any means. Not that I'm desperate to see an Asian mow down the competition.nor should we ever judge someone on their race having anything to do with their fighting capability as some do unfortunately. I do expect that those people from other countries in general, especially Asia, to become more prone to compete in the UFC. Heck, I'm sure there are plenty of Asians who watch and want to compete, in the UFC. For example: Donnie Yen, but I doubt he'll actually compete considering his age and all.[/quote'] As a whole Brazilians are the best. Always have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandPatriot Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkFire Posted November 13, 2011 Report Share Posted November 13, 2011 He is often seen as Brazilian because he was born there. If he was born in Japan' date=' they would consider him Japanese. Either way being born in Brazil to a Shotokan Karate master is a good recipe for a fighter. Learn karate, then go learn BJJ.[b'] Also I just found out Machida has a young son, less then a year old I think. Start training him now, and put him in a triple threat match with the Rufio brothers at UFC 420.[/b] just like his father, he will crane-kick randy couture at ufc 400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdWorkKen Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I wouldn't say they suck.. Just not world champs yet.. Wrestling and chins are 2 big problems.IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturalKing Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I can explain this one easy. Kung Fu........ Kung Fu was believed to be the best martial art for ages, because of hype and tv and yadda yadda. As it turns out, Kung Fu was as useless as Capoeira. All show, not results. It took CENTURIES to provide this information but it came around. The testers at Deadliest Warrior informed everyone. But the little known and/or MOST valued fact of MMA was told by Deadliest Warrior. Ju Jitsu was passed down by....none other than..........yep, thats right...THE NINJA'S! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturalKing Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 After reading my thread, I should explain more. People link MMA with weak martial arts classes. Also they eat differently. You are what you eat.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safe_Screen_Name Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Bendo is half-korean Say WHaT?!? For seriouses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I can explain this one easy. Kung Fu........ Kung Fu was believed to be the best martial art for ages' date=' because of hype and tv and yadda yadda. As it turns out, Kung Fu was as useless as Capoeira. All show, not results. It took CENTURIES to provide this information but it came around. The testers at Deadliest Warrior informed everyone. But the little known and/or MOST valued fact of MMA was told by Deadliest Warrior. Ju Jitsu was passed down by....none other than..........yep, thats right...THE NINJA'S![/quote'] im pretty sure it was the samurai, but yes jigaro kano unified the martial art and brought it to brazil and the rest is history, the gracies modernized and expanded it into what it is. the contributions have been very effective, just the practitioners are lacking. everyone uses muay thai...anderson silva has been a champ for a long time being an elite muay thai style striker. the thai people end up just being muay thai practitioners and thats it....look at a guy like pruakaw...if he had learned the entire game hed be destroying peoplego akiyama barely uses his judo because he is such a sportsman he would rather go out on his shield , which is admirable but hasnt done much for him in ufc i think in time we will see guys adapt, id love to see high level tkd and muay thai players learn a complete game and showcase what they can do. cung le is a great example of the potential there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safe_Screen_Name Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Karo was the best I've seen (yes I know he's not asian)' date='[/b'] Akiyama has been a let down in that regard, I didn't know anything about him but heard he was a 3rd Dan Judoka and got excited, proper let down That being said he might be able to grapple more effectively at 170 I think Armania is in Asia actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Say WHaT?!? For seriouses? yeah he shouts out korea all the time, brings a flag in sometimes when he beat miller the first thing he said on the mic was omma-nim, sarang haeyo...mom i love you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safe_Screen_Name Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 yeah he shouts out korea all the time' date=' brings a flag in sometimes when he beat miller the first thing he said on the mic was omma-nim, sarang haeyo...mom i love you[/quote'] Interesting... TODAY I LEARNED SOMETHING! Wooo for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Interesting... TODAY I LEARNED SOMETHING! Wooo for me! haha right on, 2 things actually, you learned bendo is korean and you learned how to tell the next cute korean chick you meet that you love her hahah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutz Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 because in real fights, the moves are not dubbed with loud noises and also there are no subtitles in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdWorkKen Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I can explain this one easy. Kung Fu........ Kung Fu was believed to be the best martial art for ages, because of hype and tv and yadda yadda. As it turns out, Kung Fu was as useless as Capoeira. All show, not results. It took CENTURIES to provide this information but it came around. The testers at Deadliest Warrior informed everyone. But the little known and/or MOST valued fact of MMA was told by Deadliest Warrior. Ju Jitsu was passed down by....none other than..........yep, thats right...THE NINJA'S![/quote I disagree with your statement completely.. 1. Kung Fu Means Skill.. Or expertise in skill achieved through hard work and practice not necessarily a martial art.. 2. The Shaolin Style of Gung Fu will be taught to foreigners and monks will not fight in MMA for money so we will never see true gung fu or wushu in MMA. 2. Sanda or Sanshou is a hybrid martial art and is not yet crossed over to MMA some MMA fighters have a Sanda base and have had some success.. Look For Sanda to become more of a household name to MMA fans in the future and "hopefully" we get a UFC in China so we can get some chinese sanda fighters to show their kung fu. As far as a self defense with no rules Chow Li Fut and Wing Chun are legit depending on the practitioner IMO.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturalKing Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 im pretty sure it was the samurai' date=' but yes jigaro kano unified the martial art and brought it to brazil and the rest is history, the gracies modernized and expanded it into what it is. the contributions have been very effective, just the practitioners are lacking. everyone uses muay thai...anderson silva has been a champ for a long time being an elite muay thai style striker. the thai people end up just being muay thai practitioners and thats it....look at a guy like pruakaw...if he had learned the entire game hed be destroying peoplego akiyama barely uses his judo because he is such a sportsman he would rather go out on his shield , which is admirable but hasnt done much for him in ufc i think in time we will see guys adapt, id love to see high level tkd and muay thai players learn a complete game and showcase what they can do. cung le is a great example of the potential there[/quote'] Wasn't the Samurai...was the ninja's. Look at the arts man. The heavy contributers are here already. The mixed contributers are hated already. Welcome to MMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutz Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 there is an indepth documentary on youtube of the first white man to be widely accepted as mastering the art of martial art. here is a link to part one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I can explain this one easy. Kung Fu........ Kung Fu was believed to be the best martial art for ages' date=' because of hype and tv and yadda yadda. As it turns out, Kung Fu was as useless as Capoeira. All show, not results. It took CENTURIES to provide this information but it came around. The testers at Deadliest Warrior informed everyone. But the little known and/or MOST valued fact of MMA was told by Deadliest Warrior. Ju Jitsu was passed down by....none other than..........yep, thats right...THE NINJA'S![/quote I disagree with your statement completely.. 1. Kung Fu Means Skill.. Or expertise in skill achieved through hard work and practice not necessarily a martial art.. 2. The Shaolin Style of Gung Fu will be taught to foreigners and monks will not fight in MMA for money so we will never see true gung fu or wushu in MMA. 2. Sanda or Sanshou is a hybrid martial art and is not yet crossed over to MMA some MMA fighters have a Sanda base and have had some success.. Look For Sanda to become more of a household name to MMA fans in the future and "hopefully" we get a UFC in China so we can get some chinese sanda fighters to show their kung fu. As far as a self defense with no rules Chow Li Fut and Wing Chun are legit depending on the practitioner IMO..[/quote'] cung le came from sanda didnt he? im positive he did.....and yes its a practical style of kung fu that works in mma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyo_sa Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Wasn't the Samurai...was the ninja's. Look at the arts man. The heavy contributers are here already. The mixed contributers are hated already. Welcome to MMA. ill have to look that up....i thought it was the samurai developing it as a backup plan to losing their sword. anyway ill check it out but yes it certainly came from those times in japan one way or the other, and unified and spread by jigaro kano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdWorkKen Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Yeah him Pat Barry and the mongolian wolf Tiequan Zhang.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturalKing Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I didn't want to break the news myself. But this is the ONLY and SOLE reason here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaksame Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 There is a VERY simple answer and one i don't like.The reason is this MMA is dominated by weight cheating and that is something wrestlers have mastered. I also truly believe many ufc fighters are using borderline enhancing drugs. I find Asian fighters tend to look much smaller for the weight classes,lack the over all strength and never have much of a wrestling background.It seems like 90% of American fighters are former wrestlers. Even without the wrestling background i feel if there was no weight cheating,the Asians would be a lot closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Because they can't fight.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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