JP24 Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 He hasn't done enough, pure and simple. He may be considered if he can beat Machida, Evans, and someone else of great worth, but not even Shogun was considered top 5 P4P when he was champ. People think that just because he's all fancy, and he beat some really good guys, that must mean he's in the top 5... Well, first, he has to earn it... I, personally, would put him at number 8 or 9, he hasn't earned his position yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashdude26 Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Id say it would be almost impossible not to give him a top 5 P4P ranking if he beats Machida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmctaggart08 Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 completely agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheOvereem Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 I have him at about 6 or 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 I never saw rampage as a contender to the belt and machidas perfomance against rampage was quite frankly, abysmal. A fired up machida wins, rashad would beat jones too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOvereem Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 I never saw rampage as a contender to the belt and machidas perfomance against rampage was quite frankly' date=' abysmal. A fired up machida wins, rashad would beat jones too.[/quote'] Not sure even a fired up Machida can beat Jones, but a fired up Rashad can!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP24 Posted October 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Id say it would be almost impossible not to give him a top 5 P4P ranking if he beats Machida. Nahh' date=' Machida alone isn't enough. Rashad might be, and if he can defend more as time flies, he may move up in there to exactly number 5, but not 4-1. completely agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 If Jon Jones truly out classes and destroys Machida then he deserves top 5 imo. No one has ever done that to machida and before you say Shogun i had Machida winning the round before he got clipped. Im not talking about winning im talking about completely out classing an opponent. Its not gonna happen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP24 Posted October 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 If Jon Jones truly out classes and destroys Machida then he deserves top 5 imo. No one has ever done that to machida and before you say Shogun i had Machida winning the round before he got clipped. Im not talking about winning im talking about completely out classing an opponent. Its not gonna happen though. I think you're right. Problem, I said Shogun??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 It's not a question of winning, it's a matter of outclassing his opponents. I agree he's not in the same realm as Anderson or GSP, or even an Aldo, but I think there's a good argument to be had in that he should be considered for the #5 slot on the P4P rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 So jones has to beat Shogun - former ufc and pride champ Rampage - former champ Lyoto - former champ Rashad - former champ Bader Vladdy Bonner Just for a chance at #5 p4p Wow man that just hating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan_Jay Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 So what the OP is saying is that Jones is "at best a top 8 fighter in the world"......that's great news! That means he still has something to prove and won't sit on rest on 1 title defense. That's bad news for Machida and anyone else that is going to step into this kids path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOvereem Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 So jones has to beat Shogun - former ufc and pride champ Rampage - former champ Lyoto - former champ Rashad - former champ Bader Vladdy Bonner Just for a chance at #5 p4p Wow man that just hating Rampage and Shogun are his only 2 notable victories, if he beats Machida I wouldn't argue with him being a top 5 one bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP24 Posted October 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 So jones has to beat Shogun - former ufc and pride champ Rampage - former champ Lyoto - former champ Rashad - former champ Bader Vladdy Bonner Just for a chance at #5 p4p Wow man that just hating Do you watch me post? I like Jon Jones' date=' I really do, but right now, he doesn't belong there, and IMO, a victory over Machida won't mean that he does. 2 notable victories is not enough for top 5 status. Rampage and Shogun are his only 2 notable victories, if he beats Machida I wouldn't argue with him being a top 5 one bit I would. I feel that Silva, GSP, Aldo, Fitch, and Cruz have done a whole lot more than he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Do you watch me post? I like Jon Jones' date=' I really do, but right now, he doesn't belong there, and IMO, a victory over Machida won't mean that he does. 2 notable victories is not enough for top 5 status. I would. I feel that Silva, GSP, Aldo, Fitch, and Cruz have done a whole lot more than he has.[/quote'] I can understand if u dont got him top 5 now but didnt u say he need to beat rashad and lyoto to maybe get top 5 I was making the point that having wins over all them warrents top 5 It would almost make him lhw goat (almost) let alont top 5 p4p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOvereem Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Do you watch me post? I like Jon Jones' date=' I really do, but right now, he doesn't belong there, and IMO, a victory over Machida won't mean that he does. 2 notable victories is not enough for top 5 status. I would. I feel that Silva, GSP, Aldo, Fitch, and Cruz have done a whole lot more than he has.[/quote'] I don't like Jones at all but if he finishes and dominates Machida, that'll be 3 wins in a row over 3 former champions who are top 5 in his division with 3 dominant finishes, I think that cancels out what Fitch has done, he;s never been the champion in his division, but I agree I'd actually have Aldo and Cruz ahead of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_Against_The_World Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Top 5 as of now would be in my humble opinion. 1. Georges St. Pierre 2. Anderson Silva 3. Frankie Edgar 4. Jose Aldo 5. Cain Velasquez Though my frame of mind, Frankie is smaller than Jose Aldo, has fought way better competition in a higher weightclass so say what you want about finishing but it's not as meaningful in comparison. Cain, I believe he's the best heavyweight in the world and he's easily smaller than quite a few Lightheavyweights. This could all change and my opinion could be wrong, but how I honestly feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Top 5 as of now would be in my humble opinion. 1. Georges St. Pierre 2. Anderson Silva 3. Frankie Edgar 4. Jose Aldo 5. Cain Velasquez Though my frame of mind' date=' Frankie is smaller than Jose Aldo, has fought way better competition in a higher weightclass so say what you want about finishing but it's not as meaningful in comparison. Cain, I believe he's the best heavyweight in the world and he's easily smaller than quite a few Lightheavyweights. This could all change and my opinion could be wrong, but how I honestly feel.[/quote'] Cant deny the logic here(sept gsp over silva)....fankie over aldo is what i think aswell when i sat down and though bout it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GollyIE Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Id say it would be almost impossible not to give him a top 5 P4P ranking if he beats Machida. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 by the way' date=' Jon Jones is not top 5 p4p.[/quote'] hes 6. edgar and cruz have proven more than he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirRender Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 There will always be people, with their skewed way of thinking, that will never believe Jones is ranked top #3 P4P, even though he's rightfully proving so. So, if he beats Machida he can be considered top #5 P4P? So who would be the 4 above him? Silva, GSP, Aldo, and ? What if he loses a fight? Is he automatically dropped to something ridiculous like top 20 P4P? How many people on the imaginary P4P list are undefeated? And why would a loss even count against them? If Silva loses to Sonnen does it mean he's no longer #1 and by default GSP moves to #1 and Silva drops to 3? The simple and only fact to this is P4P rankings are stupid. But! To be even mentioned as a P4P fighter means you're undeniably one of the best in the business. So why does Jones have so many haters? And what more does he need to prove? He has proved the haters wrong about 14 times now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 I think you're right. Problem' date=' I said Shogun??? [/quote'] Again, im not taking anything away from shogun he definitely got machida good but he definitely didn't outclass him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzylittlelord Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 if he beats machida he is top 5, he has run through everyone and made them looks stupid, only think machida and evans have chance of beating him as well and thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GstarUk Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Top 5 as of now would be in my humble opinion. 1. Georges St. Pierre 2. Anderson Silva 3. Frankie Edgar 4. Jose Aldo 5. Cain Velasquez Though my frame of mind' date=' Frankie is smaller than Jose Aldo, has fought way better competition in a higher weightclass so say what you want about finishing but it's not as meaningful in comparison. Cain, I believe he's the best heavyweight in the world and he's easily smaller than quite a few Lightheavyweights. This could all change and my opinion could be wrong, but how I honestly feel.[/quote'] Replace cain with jones imo. Cain has beaten kongo, rothwell, nog and brock. Jones has fought way better competition. Also has defended his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 He hasn't done enough' date=' pure and simple. He may be considered if he can beat Machida, Evans, and someone else of great worth, but not even Shogun was considered top 5 P4P when he was champ. People think that just because he's all fancy, and he beat some really good guys, that must mean he's in the top 5... Well, first, he has to earn it... I, personally, would put him at number 8 or 9, he hasn't earned his position yet.[/quote'] ughh when he destroys machida we will be hearing the same thing. machida is washed up has been that needs to be cut and jones needs to face some real competition. rinse and repeat for 5 more opponents. Maybe one day somebody will get a clue but for now let the haters keep on hating i think he's right up there, but i also couldnt say top 5. i mean there was a huge ryan bader hype train going on over here. that is until bones destroyed him. Shogun had alot of praise over here, but as soon as jones tooled him, he now became a bum over here. Rampage is a good fighter. Hell, aside from that machida/shogun fiasco, he was the last fighter to even successfully defend the LHW belt, and jones put him to sleep. Now over here, he is declared washed up. jones is facing the top guys who had to earn their shots and is succeeding. Not only that but he has destroyed everybody they have put in front of him in brutal fashion. The destruction of Matt Hammill is just an asterisk on his record. so how many more fighters does he have to smash until people start to see that this guy might actually be legit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 1) Anderson Silva 2) GSP 3) Jones 4) Aldo 5) Winner of Cain vs JDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skulk Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 He hasn't done enough' date=' pure and simple. He may be considered if he can beat Machida, Evans, and someone else of great worth, [b']but not even Shogun was considered top 5 P4P when he was champ.[/b] People think that just because he's all fancy, and he beat some really good guys, that must mean he's in the top 5... Well, first, he has to earn it... I, personally, would put him at number 8 or 9, he hasn't earned his position yet. Just commenting on the bolded part. Shogun wasn't considered p4p when he was champ due to his spotty history, he'd vary from a whirling cavalcade of death to the guy who nearly loses to an oldman Coleman and gets choked out by Forrest. So far Jones hasn't had that kind of inconsistent history, but then again, he hasn't had that much of a history yet in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satronaden Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Yes he is and he just outclassed 2 PRIDE legends so I am pretty sure he is done enough so far to be considered a top 5 P4P fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSuperman Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Silva GSP Aldo Fitch Cruz Edgar Cain/Bones/Shad/Machida The last four in the one slot have minimal losses (0 for Cain), and a good amount of wins. Bones beat Rampage and Shogun, Shad beat Rampage, Machida beat Shad and Shogun. For the people saying he has done enough, like the guy above, they simply aren't thinking about the "enough" that others have done to be top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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