King_Can Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTd4kEyBZK4&feature=feedu erm.... what about hughes? :confused: imo it is still very close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 WTF? What about Nick Diaz!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuseFan Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 GSP has beaten Hughes twice, Has defended more time consecutively, they've tied for number of Championship match wins, and some of GSP's competition has arguably been better quality fighters. Trigg and Sherk for example aren't exactly known for being great WWs. And Diaz doesn't come close to the "Greatest Welterweight of All Time" discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonesyUK Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Dan Hardy Longest losing streak in UFC WW history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 GSP has beaten Hughes twice' date=' Has defended more time consecutively, they've tied for number of Championship match wins, and some of GSP's competition has arguably been better quality fighters. Trigg and Sherk for example aren't exactly known for being great WWs. And Diaz doesn't come close to the "Greatest Welterweight of All Time" discussion.[/quote'] Lol!!!! GSP has fought Trigg and Sherk also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 WTF? What about Nick Diaz!? This^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 And Diaz doesn't come close to the "Greatest Welterweight of All Time" discussion. Diaz has been undefeated for a long time and has finished all his opponents and looks more impressive in each fight, he is better, your just a zuffa zombie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuseFan Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Trigg and Sherk were never in championship bouts against GSP for a reason, they weren't good enough as more quality WWs were becoming developed. And yes, Hardy has been exposed as a hype train. Which is why I said SOME of GSP's competition has arguably been better quality fighters. And no, Diaz is not anywhere near the greatest WW of all time. Maybe biggest punk of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 And no' date=' Diaz is not anywhere near the greatest WW of all time. Maybe biggest punk of all time.[/quote'] Oh i just realized you had "rush" in your sig, that explains everything............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waikru Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 GSP has beaten Hughes twice' date=' Has defended more time consecutively, they've tied for number of Championship match wins, and some of GSP's competition has arguably been better quality fighters. Trigg and Sherk for example aren't exactly known for being great WWs. And Diaz doesn't come close to the "Greatest Welterweight of All Time" discussion.[/quote'] Hughes has 9 championship wins, while GSP has 8. Hughes has 7 title defences as champion, including two wins that were supposed to be title defences but the fighter didn't make weight. GSP has a cool 6. GSP defended his title against: Alves: 1-4 in his last 4 fights Jon Fitch: Good record but mostly padded record. Best win is against Alves. BJ Penn: 1-2-1 in last four fights. Dan Hardy: 0-4 in his last four fights. Jake Shields: 1-2 in the UFC Josh Koscheck: Good record but mostly padded. Best win Paul Daley. I don't know about better competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 He's both The greatest WW of all time and the biggest punk Double victory!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Hughes has 9 championship wins' date=' while GSP has 8. Hughes has 7 title defences as champion, including two wins that were supposed to be title defences but the fighter didn't make weight. GSP has a cool 6. GSP defended his title against: Alves: 1-4 in his last 4 fights Jon Fitch: Good record but mostly padded record. Best win is against Alves. BJ Penn: 1-2-1 in last four fights. Dan Hardy: 0-4 in his last four fights. Jake Shields: 1-2 in the UFC Josh Koscheck: Good record but mostly padded. Best win Paul Daley. I don't know about better competition.[/quote'] BOOM! That pretty much sums it up Flawless victory my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 GSP kicking hughes in the balls doesn't equal a legit win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuseFan Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Don't get me wrong, I believe there are some really good fighters outside the UFC. Diaz has not been fighting great fighters. Daley and Santos are decent but not great quality. Noons and Sakurai are smaller fighters. Zaromskis is fringe contender really. Same for Smith. Frank Shamrock sadly is far from where he once was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuseFan Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Hughes has 9 championship wins' date=' while GSP has 8. Hughes has 7 title defences as champion, including two wins that were supposed to be title defences but the fighter didn't make weight. GSP has a cool 6. GSP defended his title against: Alves: 1-4 in his last 4 fights Jon Fitch: Good record but mostly padded record. Best win is against Alves. BJ Penn: 1-2-1 in last four fights. Dan Hardy: 0-4 in his last four fights. Jake Shields: 1-2 in the UFC Josh Koscheck: Good record but mostly padded. Best win Paul Daley. I don't know about better competition.[/quote'] Hughes' Championship Resume Belt Defenses Penn, Trigg 2, Trigg 1, Sherk, Castillo, Newton, Sakurai Belt Wins Newton, GSP 1 Belt Losses GSP 3, GSP 2, Penn Total Champ Wins - 9 GSP's Championship Resume Belt Defenses Shields, Koschek, Hardy, Alves, Penn, Fitch Belt Wins Serra 2, Hughes 3, Hughes 2 Belt Losses Serra 1, Hughes 1 Total Champ Wins - 9 Hughes only had 1 fight that wasn't a defense from weight against Riggs. His match against Royce was never a belt fight. I'm not going to say Hughes is inferior or wasn't one of the most dominant WW champs. I wouldn't even say GSP has been better because both of their accomplishments are about equal. I think down the road it'll be hard to say Hughes was greater than GSP because GSP probably has a few more years of champion fighting left in him to blow away Hughes' stats. And yeah.....what has Diaz done to come close to these guys? Start fights in hospitals, brawls in a post-fight interview, routinely fight smaller guys and honorable mention talent that isn't breaking Top 10 WW rankings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 I already said flawless victory There is no comeback to a flawless victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claxp94 Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Right now, Hughes In a couple of years, GSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuseFan Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Also another reason they're hyping GSP as the greatest WW of all time...he has the belt now while Hughes is visibly declining. Most fans have too short a memory span to remember Hughes so they easily buy the hype for GSP as greatest ever, and that's what UFC wants to sell the fight. Hell, some fans probably have no idea that Hughes was so dominant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted October 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Right now' date=' Hughes In a couple of years, GSP[/quote'] why in a couple years, give it 2 more title defences imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiousmat Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTd4kEyBZK4&feature=feedu erm.... what about hughes? :confused: imo it is still very close. Hmmm gsp dethroned hughes good... twice in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudiorebelo Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTd4kEyBZK4&feature=feedu erm.... what about hughes? :confused: imo it is still very close. Funniest thread of the day Hughes is a good one because the trolling is not so obvious as if you had chosen Dan Hardy or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 I'm a much bigger Hughes fan than I ever have been of GSP - that said, I do believe George has earned his spot as greatest WW of all time. I'm not saying it's an open and shut case, and I wouldn't discredit anyone who still felt Hughes was the GOAT. For me personally however, I think GPS's career warrants the obviously subjective and unofficial title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waikru Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Hughes' Championship ResumeBelt Defenses Penn' date=' Trigg 2, Trigg 1, Sherk, Castillo, Newton, Sakurai Belt Wins Newton, GSP 1 Belt Losses GSP 3, GSP 2, Penn Total Champ Wins - 9 GSP's Championship Resume Belt Defenses Shields, Koschek, Hardy, Alves, Penn, Fitch Belt Wins Serra 2, [b']Hughes 3,[/b] Hughes 2 Belt Losses Serra 1, Hughes 1 Total Champ Wins - 9 Hughes only had 1 fight that wasn't a defense from weight against Riggs. His match against Royce was never a belt fight. I'm not going to say Hughes is inferior or wasn't one of the most dominant WW champs. I wouldn't even say GSP has been better because both of their accomplishments are about equal. I think down the road it'll be hard to say Hughes was greater than GSP because GSP probably has a few more years of champion fighting left in him to blow away Hughes' stats. And yeah.....what has Diaz done to come close to these guys? Start fights in hospitals, brawls in a post-fight interview, routinely fight smaller guys and honorable mention talent that isn't breaking Top 10 WW rankings? He only won the title from Hughes once. The other was for an interm belt, not the title belt. So GSP has 8 title wins. Royce Gracie was the other fighter that didn't make weight if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajeitto Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 GSP is the best of all-time at WW and as time goes by it will just get more and more obvious. And honestly, if GSP wasn't a WW then Jon Fitch might be the best ever over Hughes because he probably would be the long-reigning UFC champion. Nick Diaz is not even close to top 10 all-time let alone number one, he crushed a lot of cans, so ****ing what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waikru Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 GSP is the best of all-time at WW and as time goes by it will just get more and more obvious. And honestly' date=' if GSP wasn't a WW then Jon Fitch might be the best ever over Hughes because he probably would be the long-reigning UFC champion. Nick Diaz is not even close to top 10 all-time let alone number one, he crushed a lot of cans, so ****ing what.[/quote'] Fitch is overhyped. He has a great record because hes fought cans. The best fighter that he beat was Alves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajeitto Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Fitch is overhyped. He has a great record because hes fought cans. The best fighter that he beat was Alves. He's fought some cans but he's also fought and beat some pretty good fighters, he's 15-1-1 at welterweight including 13-1-1 in the UFC, which is impossible for most fighters to achieve no matter who they fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 GSP is the best of all-time at WW and as time goes by it will just get more and more obvious. And honestly' date=' if GSP wasn't a WW then Jon Fitch might be the best ever over Hughes because he probably would be the long-reigning UFC champion. Nick Diaz is not even close to top 10 all-time let alone number one, he crushed a lot of cans, so ****ing what.[/quote'] Jon Fitch isn't close to Hughes and only a couple steps over Diaz. Clearly goes GSP > Hughes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 why in a couple years' date=' [b']give it 2 more title defences imo[/b]. That will take a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jduk Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 the way I look at it is Hughes and GSP have the same number of belt defences, and GSP is 2-1 against Hughes so has the edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanman20 Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 guess i gotta get bigger, join the UFC and kick GSP's *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waikru Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 the way I look at it is Hughes and GSP have the same number of belt defences' date=' and GSP is 2-1 against Hughes so has the edge[/quote'] GSP has six title defences and Hughes has 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Well what about Hughes? If he was the greatest WW of all time, he wouldnt be finished by Decision George twice, He's been on a losing streak and doesnt avenge his losses. When he was in his prime, he was fighting mediocre fighters that are cans today, because this was many years before MMA really evolved into as technical as it has today. These days everybody has a belt in jiujistu and an extensive wrestling base. If you were to stick todays fighters against hughes way back then, he would have never been anywhere near as successful. This is apparent considering the competition has evolved, and hughes is still the same old grappler as always. He hasnt stepped up, which is why he continues to lose, and why he is not the greatest WW of all time. Maybe AT HIS TIME, but he will never be as big as he was before the sport exploded And what about Nick Diaz? All he ever does is run his mouth and fight average fighters. That homie was too scared to even bother making it to the presser. He had no interest in fighting somebody that he knows would beat him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 He only won the title from Hughes once. The other was for an interm belt' date=' not the title belt. So GSP has 8 title wins. Royce Gracie was the other fighter that didn't make weight if I remember correctly.[/quote'] Naw royce was a catchweight bout that was notbfor the title...never was and never was planned to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastriding Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 Hughes has 9 championship wins' date=' while GSP has 8. Hughes has 7 title defences as champion, including two wins that were supposed to be title defences but the fighter didn't make weight. GSP has a cool 6. GSP defended his title against: Alves: 1-4 in his last 4 fights Jon Fitch: Good record but mostly padded record. Best win is against Alves. BJ Penn: 1-2-1 in last four fights. Dan Hardy: 0-4 in his last four fights. Jake Shields: 1-2 in the UFC Josh Koscheck: Good record but mostly padded. Best win Paul Daley. I don't know about better competition.[/quote'] Really? Fitch and Koscheck have padded records? O.K. sure. Also most guys didn't start losing streaks until GSP beat them silly. You're also missing Hughes twice (While Hughes was at the top of his top game), Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuseFan Posted October 10, 2011 Report Share Posted October 10, 2011 He only won the title from Hughes once. The other was for an interm belt' date=' not the title belt. So GSP has 8 title wins. Royce Gracie was the other fighter that didn't make weight if I remember correctly.[/quote'] Interim Championship = the "current" champ while the one that had been holding the belt is out indefinately due to injury or contract. It's why they call Big Nog the only Pride and UFC champ, because he won an interim championship. And I told you right in that post you quoted Royce vs. Hughes was never a belt fight, just a hype match of an old BJJ master against the newbreed wrestler. Either way, both men have good credentials, but history will find GSP the greater one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAEars Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 And no' date=' Diaz is not anywhere near the greatest WW of all time. Maybe biggest punk of all time.[/quote'] Exactly! The scowls and the fanboys here swoon....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Matt Hughes is done so now they will hype the **** out of GSP because people will pay to see what they're claiming is the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waikru Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Naw royce was a catchweight bout that was notbfor the title...never was and never was planned to be My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waikru Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Interim Championship = the "current" champ while the one that had been holding the belt is out indefinately due to injury or contract. It's why they call Big Nog the only Pride and UFC champ' date=' because he won an interim championship. And I told you right in that post you quoted Royce vs. Hughes was never a belt fight, just a hype match of an old BJJ master against the newbreed wrestler. Either way, both men have good credentials, but history will find GSP the greater one.[/quote'] The interim title is not considered to be the same as winning the actual title. I looked at a records list and GSP is at 8 title wins. I do agree that GSP wil probably go down as the greatest WW of all time. Right now I think its a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR40 Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Greatest WW of all time 1) GSP 2) Hughes IMO Hughes is a very close second to GSP. Diaz isn't worth talking about yet. Yes he is a great fighter and is a top 5 WW, but he hasn't beaten anyone yet that would make me consider him for GWWOAT. I think he will decision Penn in a FOTN, and I would love for him to hold the belt one day, but so far he isn't worth mentioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aethlefirth Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTd4kEyBZK4&feature=feedu erm.... what about hughes? :confused: imo it is still very close. what about HUGHES?????????? GSP won the belt in his 14th fight HUGHES 33rd:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aethlefirth Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 HUGHES lost in his 5th fight GSP only lost in his 8th to the UFC champ who had 40 fights under his belt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waikru Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Hughes: 7 title defences: 6 finishes GSP: 6 Title defences: 1 finish This pretty much sums up their title reigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabri1985 Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 The guys hughes defended/won his belt against and beat Newton x2, Sakurai, Trigg x2, Sherk, Bj, Gsp Gsp Hughes x2, Bj x2, Serra, Hardy, Alves, Kos, Fitch, Shields I would say GSP had the higher level of comp tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwGSP Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 If he beats Condit, he'll tie Hughes for title defenses (7) and for the most wins in UFC history (18). I think GSP will be surpassing him soon, if not already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwGSP Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Hughes has 9 championship wins' date=' while GSP has 8. Hughes has 7 title defences as champion, including two wins that were supposed to be title defences but the fighter didn't make weight. GSP has a cool 6. GSP defended his title against: Alves: 1-4 in his last 4 fights Jon Fitch: Good record but mostly padded record. Best win is against Alves. BJ Penn: 1-2-1 in last four fights. Dan Hardy: 0-4 in his last four fights. Jake Shields: 1-2 in the UFC Josh Koscheck: Good record but mostly padded. Best win Paul Daley. I don't know about better competition.[/quote'] To be fair waik, 3 of those guys beat Hughes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForcexrecoN Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Dan Hardy Longest losing streak in UFC WW history Thanks for the input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOvereem Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 Because he is lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waikru Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 To be fair waik' date=' 3 of those guys beat Hughes....[/quote'] Alves beat him on the decline, but your right about his first fight with Penn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waikru Posted October 11, 2011 Report Share Posted October 11, 2011 If he beats Condit' date=' he'll tie Hughes for title defenses (7) and for the most wins in UFC history (18). I think GSP will be surpassing him soon, if not already.[/quote'] I agree. Right now I would say they were tied. If he beats Condit, I don't think theres a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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