Ocforums Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 just curious what some of the UFC members are thinking bout the Republican hopefuls lately.. and who youd vote for at this point in the race .. im personally going to go with what in my opinion seems to be the most conservative runner in this debate .. good ol ron paul even though i think politics are a joke .. if we really give up on it then we are doomed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapst Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 im personally going to go with what in my opinion seems to be the most conservative runner in this debate .. good ol ron paul Ron Paul is the ONLY conservative running. The others are fakes, neo-cons. Aggressive foreign policy has always been a product of the global liberal agenda. When disenfranchized democrats moved to the republican party in the 60's, they brought their psuedo-theocratic policy of manifest destiny with them. The Republican Party has been consumed by it since the days of Reagan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVTContour98 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Ron Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 check the sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polymerase Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 check the sig Your sig is a joke, as well as your knowledge of science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegoPig Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Never hear of any of them so I just picked one at random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MABFanForLife Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Ron Paul is the ONLY conservative running. The others are fakes' date=' neo-cons. Aggressive foreign policy has always been a product of the global liberal agenda. When disenfranchized democrats moved to the republican party in the 60's, they brought their psuedo-theocratic policy of manifest destiny with them. The Republican Party has been consumed by it since the days of Reagan.[/quote'] Ron Paul These. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurston Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 ~Ron Paul~ Also I'm running out of pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasopasha Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 i got comrade tito . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVTContour98 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 who voted for Romney and Perry? I need an explanation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I am a very firm supporter of Mitt Romney. I find it truly unfortunate that so many within my party seem either unable or at least unwilling to look past his religious beliefs. But when we as a party have catered to the Christian Right, it is not surprising to see major backlash over someone who is a non-Christian in the traditional sense of the word (yes I am aware The Church of Latter-Day Saints is an off shoot of Christianity). Never the less, I view him as the most electable and ultimately the most potentially effective nomination for Presidency. I know there is a growing Ron Paul movement within the youth sector, and I feel he's a good representative of the Libertarian Party - however their views on not only drug usage but more alarming for me is their platforms on centralized law and intelligence agencies (FBI & CIA notably) simply conflict with me on an important issue in my book. And without sounding too dismissive - no Libertarian is electable to hold national office - at least right now. That's not to say that the only way to make an impact or champion change for the better is to win every battle, I'm simply pointing out that a vote for Ron Paul may make a statement in the short term, but ultimately it will carry no weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infidel2011 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I will vote for who ever is nominated. But pulling for Cain at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crippy Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I'm really liking Cain at this point seems like a real person not fake. Anyone BUT Obama in office that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I'm really liking Cain at this point seems like a real person not fake. Anyone BUT Obama in office that's for sure. Oh come now, I can't imagine endorsing our current President for another term, but let's not rush to hyperbole. Obama is far from the worst potential nominee in the next election. I feel one of the most poisonous elements in our current political picture is people's desire to rush to extremes when dealing with opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapst Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Herman Cain was a Director of the Federal Reserve, and he still sympathizes with it. The Fed is perhaps the most unconstitutionally dangerous element in progressive politics; there is no excuse for any real conservative to support such an outrageous institution even a little. To make things worse, he supported NAFTA & GATT, two of the most non-free trade free trade agreements ever. To be blunt, Cain is a neo-con like most of the other candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 kapst - I would point out this question was posed as Republicans, not necessarily conservatives. There is a difference. One could be a conservative Democrat or a liberal Republican. Just clarifying as you've now twice brought up the issue of conservatism in this thread alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapst Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 kapst - I would point out this question was posed as Republicans' date=' not necessarily conservatives. There is a difference. One could be a conservative Democrat or a liberal Republican. Just clarifying as you've now twice brought up the issue of conservatism in this thread alone.[/quote'] Yes, there's a difference, and more people should take note of that! The point is that a majority of Republicans will proudly proclaim themselves conservatives while belittling all things "liberal". Yet, many of the same folks [perhaps hypocritically] support obvious closet neocons like Herman Cain or Rick Perry, et al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurston Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I am a very firm supporter of Mitt Romney. I find it truly unfortunate that so many within my party seem either unable or at least unwilling to look past his religious beliefs. But when we as a party have catered to the Christian Right' date=' it is not surprising to see major backlash over someone who is a non-Christian in the traditional sense of the word (yes I am aware The Church of Latter-Day Saints is an off shoot of Christianity). Never the less, I view him as the most electable and ultimately the most potentially effective nomination for Presidency. I know there is a growing Ron Paul movement within the youth sector, and I feel he's a good representative of the Libertarian Party - however their views on not only drug usage but more alarming for me is their platforms on centralized law and intelligence agencies (FBI & CIA notably) simply conflict with me on an important issue in my book. And without sounding too dismissive - no Libertarian is electable to hold national office - at least right now. That's not to say that the only way to make an impact or champion change for the better is to win every battle, I'm simply pointing out that a vote for Ron Paul may make a statement in the short term, but ultimately it will carry no weight.[/quote'] ~Pancakes~ While I agree with you that the focus on Romney's religious views is ridiculous. I feel you may be overstating its importance, as I know that the biggest issue I have with Romney is how readily he changes his stance on issues if it will help his electability. A true politician is what I would call him. He is a bit of a pancake (likes to be flipped). But you are right he is one of the most electable candidates currently running. Also I disagree with you on Paul's electability against Obama. However, he probably will not get that far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Your sig is a joke' date=' as well as your knowledge of science.[/quote'] lol **** you poly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForrestGriffinFan101 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Paul.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocforums Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 after taking a macro class it really opened up my eyes .. not to mention its actually bout dam time we make some drastic changes .. pimp slap the fed and end the wars overseas Mr. Paul .. thats what id like to actually see get done .. all the other promises and if i were president rants to me are garbage .. to me they are all BS'ers ..just gotta pick the best one that actually might change some things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCITOLDUSO Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 That's a tough one. There is no real stand-out, but with the current occupant of the White House, they all look pretty good. Too bad the most qualified person currently available to fix our national problems is not going to run. Because this person has already: lowered taxes, cut spending, lowered unemployment, exposed political corruption (even in their own party,) broke up the cozy relationship between mega-corporations and politicians, skillfully negotiated beneficial trade deals with foreign countries, and has been an outspoken proponent of utilizing our natural resources. Everything our country needs, from a domestic standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infidel2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 That's a tough one. There is no real stand-out' date=' but with the current occupant of the White House, they all look pretty good. Too bad the most qualified person currently available to fix our national problems is not going to run. Because this person has already: lowered taxes, cut spending, lowered unemployment, exposed political corruption (even in their own party,) broke up the cozy relationship between mega-corporations and politicians, skillfully negotiated beneficial trade deals with foreign countries, and has been an outspoken proponent of utilizing our natural resources. Everything our country needs, from a domestic standpoint.[/quote'] Sarah Palin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocforums Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Sarah Palin. no ... i was gonna say clinton or gore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajeitto Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 I guess I would take Huntsman out of those ****** choices there, but it doesn't matter because I can't vote in a Republican primary in my state since I'm not a Republican. Plus my vote wouldn't matter anyways because Romney will win the nomination and then lose to Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epilogue1406051983 Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 I'm not a republican, but I will admit that while I still disagree with Romney on some points, I can at least trust that he has a strong acumen that would be able to run the US effectively... also, he seems grounded and realistic in his approach to politics, rather than a lot of the other candidates that would intend to try to flip the government head over heels with overly ambitious policies... it's a shame that those probably most fit to lead most likely won't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uddaside Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 just curious what some of the UFC members are thinking bout the Republican hopefuls lately.. and who youd vote for at this point in the race .. im personally going to go with what in my opinion seems to be the most conservative runner in this debate .. good ol ron paul even though i think politics are a joke .. if we really give up on it then we are doomed Why are you going to vote for the most conservative runner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MABFanForLife Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Whoever voted for Bachmann is either a troll or a retard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Did anybody see Ron Paul at the debate? His fake eye brow almost fell off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRM29 Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 ron paul herman cain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCITOLDUSO Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Whoever voted for Bachmann is either a troll or a retard. Sillly goose. Bachmann is the most conservative candidate out of all the choices with a congressional record to prove it. She's the only one whom I would trust, among other things, to preserve the Second Amendment, prosecute Islamic Terrorism where it threatens US interests, defend Israel from it's fundamentalist, murderous neighbors, now that Obama has overthrown key former secular leaders in his Arab Spring, lower taxes, and cut Federal spending. Try to think for yourself sometime. It will hurt at first because you're not used to it, but then you will begin to see the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocforums Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 either not to many pubs or just a very low turn-out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVTContour98 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 war RP tonite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Sillly goose. Bachmann is the most conservative candidate out of all the choices with a congressional record to prove it. She's the only one whom I would trust' date=' among other things, to preserve the Second Amendment, prosecute Islamic Terrorism where it threatens US interests, defend Israel from it's fundamentalist, murderous neighbors, now that Obama has overthrown key former secular leaders in his Arab Spring, lower taxes, and cut Federal spending. Try to think for yourself sometime. It will hurt at first because you're not used to it, but then you will begin to see the light.[/quote'] The republican agenda is just as liberal as the democratic agenda, they should quit using "conservative". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapst Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 The republican agenda is just as liberal as the democratic agenda' date=' they should quit using "conservative".[/quote'] Finally, someone else gets it. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicIzMySavior Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Ron Paul !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicIzMySavior Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Try to think for yourself sometime. It will hurt at first because you're not used to it' date=' but then you will begin to see the light.[/quote'] I suggest using your own advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waikru Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Libertarianism seems a lot better than it actually is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an1oTKultQA&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCITOLDUSO Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Libertarianism seems a lot better than it actually is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an1oTKultQA&feature=related Very true. There is a reason the Llibertarian Party received a grand total of about 1% in the last presidential election. I suggest using your own advice. So should I start repeating worn out cliche's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapst Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Libertarianism seems a lot better than it actually is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an1oTKultQA&feature=related Authoritarianism seems a lot better than it actually is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waI4aq-Rf0o Very true. There is a reason the Llibertarian Party received a grand total of about 1% in the last presidential election. yeah, it's called a lack of media coverage & lack of funding by corporate lobbyists & big government shills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waikru Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Authoritarianism seems a lot better than it actually is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waI4aq-Rf0o yeah' date=' it's called a lack of media coverage & lack of funding by corporate lobbyists & big government shills.[/quote'] I don't see how this is relevant to libertarianism, but thanks for the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapst Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 I don't see how this is relevant to libertarianism' date=' but thanks for the video. [/quote'] I don't see how Somalia is relevant to American Libertarianism either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waikru Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 I don't see how Somalia is relevant to American Libertarianism either. There is not a single country under libertarianism that is doing well. You can say that American Libertarianism is so much better but that would be at odds with every major economist would say today. By the way, socialism has a better track record economically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Newt Gingrich, what a badass name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapst Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 There is not a single country under libertarianism that is doing well. You can say that American Libertarianism is so much better but that would be at odds with every major economist would say today. By the way' date=' socialism has a better track record economically.[/quote'] Somalia has nothing to do with American Libertarianism. That was my only point. There isn't a single country under libertarianism that is doing well? Er, there isn't a country in the world under an American-style libertarian government, period. lol And I couldn't care less what most major economists have to say on the issue, because most major economists were brought up in a liberal education system hellbent on propagating keynesian economics, an economic system nearly responsible for ushering in the first global depression. You're throwing them out there as if they're credible!? What track record are you looking at in your judgement of Libertarian free markets anyway? Such a system has never even existed. There is no record from which to make such an assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapst Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Newt Gingrich' date=' what a badass name[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapst Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Watching the debate, and I must say.. Rick Perry might be the worst Presidental candidate in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waikru Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Somalia has nothing to do with American Libertarianism. That was my only point. There isn't a single country under libertarianism that is doing well? Er' date=' there isn't a country in the world under an American-style libertarian government, period. lol And I couldn't care less what most major economists have to say on the issue, because most major economists were brought up in a liberal education system hellbent on propagating keynesian economics, an economic system nearly responsible for ushering in the first global depression. You're throwing them out there as if they're credible!? What track record are you looking at in your judgement of Libertarian free markets anyway? Such a system has never even existed. There is no record from which to make such an assumption.[/quote'] There is libertarian free markets out there. Look at Somalia and Haiti. Who is propagating keynesian economics? Libertarianism has completely free markets. How does American Libertarianism differ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapst Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 There is libertarian free markets out there. Look at Somalia and Haiti. Who is propagating keynesian economics? Libertarianism has completely free markets. How does American Libertarianism differ? Libertarianism is much more than just free markets. Seriously there are numerous reasons for the problems in Somalia, & none of them have to do with free markets, let alone with libertarianism. If you imply that the situation in Somalia is a reflection of libertarianism itself, then it's just as logical to say that Hitler was a reflection of non-libertarianism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicIzMySavior Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 It is pretty obvious they do not even give him equal air time during the debates.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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