MIRKO_CRO_GOD Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 What do you think would Jon '' Bones'' Jones have a chance in pride ? and why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapst Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 A Jon Jones with foot stomps and soccer kicks would be devastating. That said, I guess it would depend on how the names were drawn out of the hat, as Rampage would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma_Machine Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 NO! reason 1: his G&P would be seriously lacking with the elbows being illegal. reason 2: the yellow card system would force him to be more agressive with his punches while G&P. With his long arms he would have to posture up a long way which would lead to his opponent getting submissions or getting back to their feet. reason 3: the crazy japanese would force him to fight in "freak show" events against much larger opponents where he wouldn't hold an advantage reason 4: shogun can use stomps and soccer kicks :D reason 5: Jones has shown to fall to the mystique of hype, in the Rampage fight he had a very specific style and gameplan, it has been revealed that in japan the fighters would be given 2 weeks notice on who they are fighting, so Jones would not have a specific gameplan formulated in that time, and crumble in the fights setup for the champs to build their status of his name. reason 6: Pride died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasopasha Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 uuum yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Jones first TD attempt would be stuffed and then he would be kneed in the head or soccer kicked. So no, he would not be very successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyYO Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 NO! reason 1: his G&P would be seriously lacking with the elbows being illegal. reason 2: the yellow card system would force him to be more agressive with his punches while G&P. With his long arms he would have to posture up a long way which would lead to his opponent getting submissions or getting back to their feet. reason 3: the crazy japanese would force him to fight in "freak show" events against much larger opponents where he wouldn't hold an advantage reason 4: shogun can use stomps and soccer kicks :D reason 5: Jones has shown to fall to the mystique of hype' date=' in the Rampage fight he had a very specific style and gameplan, it has been revealed that in japan the fighters would be given 2 weeks notice on who they are fighting, so Jones would not have a specific gameplan formulated in that time, and crumble in the fights setup for the champs to build their status of his name. reason 6: Pride died [/quote'] Fanboi loser actually brought up Shogun in the same sentence as Bones?? lololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasopasha Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Jones first TD attempt would be stuffed and then he would be kneed in the head or soccer kicked. So no' date=' he would not be very successful[/quote'] and how exactly are they gonna stop it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 and how exactly are they gonna stop it? Just like Rampage did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma_Machine Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Fanboi loser actually brought up Shogun in the same sentence as Bones?? lololol REPORTED lol jk, but seriously, Shogun would not only beat Jones in Pride but in UFC rematch too. and all my other points are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasopasha Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Just like Rampage did yeah because everyone has the takedown defence of hampagee look at what he did to vlad to hammill and to vera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma_Machine Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Just like Rampage did Rampage's wrestling was extremely underrated in their fight, a lot of people think it was all Jones, but the reason it was standing for 3 rounds is because Rampage stopped nearly all of Jones takedowns, and it showed that Jones wanted to take him down from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasopasha Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 REPORTED lol jk' date=' but seriously, [b']Shogun would not only beat Jones in Pride but in UFC rematch too[/b]. and all my other points are correct. hahahahaha i like the shogun fanboys dedication Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 hahahahaha i like the shogun fanboys dedication Shogun vs Jones was like Matt serra vs GSP, it was a fluke win, Shogun will win the rematch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma_Machine Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 hahahahaha i like the shogun fanboys dedication all these late 11ers showing no respect to former champs and jumping on the nearest bandwagon Bring on the 12ers hahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasopasha Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Shogun vs Jones was like Matt serra vs GSP' date=' it was a fluke win, Shogun will win the rematch[/quote'] a three round fluke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasopasha Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 all these late 11ers showing no respect to former champs and jumping on the nearest bandwagon Bring on the 12ers hahaha. actually ive been lurking here for a good 2 years and i don't like jones machida is my favourite fighter and i have been watching mma for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma_Machine Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Shogun vs Jones was like Matt serra vs GSP' date=' it was a fluke win, Shogun will win the rematch[/quote'] +1 who expected Jones to throw that flying knee in the opening moments?!? That rocked shogun for the rest of the fight, believe me when I say Shogun will be ready for Jones next time, especially considering the info he will get from Jones fight with Rampage and the upcoming fight with Machida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 +1 who expected Jones to throw that flying knee in the opening moments?!? That rocked shogun for the rest of the fight' date=' believe me when I say Shogun will be ready for Jones next time, especially considering the info he will get from [b']Jones fight with Rampage[/b] and the upcoming fight with Machida. Imagine if Shogun trains TDD with Rampage, he would be unstoppable :eek: But that wont happen because Rampage wants a rematch with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasopasha Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 +1 who expected Jones to throw that flying knee in the opening moments?!? That rocked shogun for the rest of the fight' date=' believe me when I say Shogun will be ready for Jones next time, especially considering the info he will get from Jones fight with Rampage and the upcoming fight with Machida.[/quote'] lool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendoforpresident Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 possibly but i kinda feel he likes using the cage too much put the guy in a ring and i dunno how he'd do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP24 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Jones would murder in PRIDE, but then again, Shogun could use soccer kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasopasha Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 Jones would murder in PRIDE' date=' but then again, Shogun could use soccer kicks.[/quote'] and how could shogun get jones down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURVIVOR78 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 It all depends if the owners wanted him to win or not. If he was one of the chosen stars or one that got thrown to the dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casino16 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Share Posted October 17, 2011 i kinda like the 2 week notice thing on fights (if its true). because that way the fighters would regularily train and they would probably be told they have a fight, just not knowing against who. that way they wouldnt be able to study the opponents and the fight would really show whos better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 I think he would do well... As much as I dont like him - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor_Obviously Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Imagine Jon Jones if he had been his age and had his same attributes....but under Pride rules. How do you think he would've done? Discuss. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR40 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Imagine Jon Jones if he had been his age and had his same attributes....but under Pride rules. How do you think he would've done? Discuss. :cool: Well his delicious elbows wouldn't have come into play, but Jones' long legs kicking grounded opponents in the head, I can certainly see some KOs there. Being the athlete that he is, I'm sure he would have worked on knees and kicks much more and I'm sure he would have been successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIRKO_CRO_GOD Posted October 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 http://forums.ufc.production.sparkart.net/showthread.php?t=99943 i already opened a thread about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor_Obviously Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 http://forums.ufc.production.sparkart.net/showthread.php?t=99943 i already opened a thread about this Ohhh man, I'm sorry! I'm sure a mod will remove this thread or combine it with yours. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Jack_Attack Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 NO! reason 1: his G&P would be seriously lacking with the elbows being illegal. reason 2: the yellow card system would force him to be more agressive with his punches while G&P. With his long arms he would have to posture up a long way which would lead to his opponent getting submissions or getting back to their feet. reason 3: the crazy japanese would force him to fight in "freak show" events against much larger opponents where he wouldn't hold an advantage reason 4: shogun can use stomps and soccer kicks :D reason 5: Jones has shown to fall to the mystique of hype' date=' in the Rampage fight he had a very specific style and gameplan, it has been revealed that in japan the fighters would be given 2 weeks notice on who they are fighting, so Jones would not have a specific gameplan formulated in that time, and crumble in the fights setup for the champs to build their status of his name. reason 6: Pride died [/quote'] lol nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 Would of been weird seeing a 12 year old beat up the likes of Rampage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumble170cHAMP Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 Fanboi loser actually brought up Shogun in the same sentence as Bones?? lololol i know shogun already met bones and it wasn't even close. No one will beat him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenAfro Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 See thread about Jones, I wonder who started it. Doc. Not Shocked. Bones' biggest threat would be illegal. His elbows on the ground are so damn deadly, and rings favor non-wrestlers. Jones would have been successful based on his athleticism, but not as much as he will be in the UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuseFan Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 As has been mentioned, Jones wouldn't be able to use his elbows and that pretty much eliminates all of Jones' current KO/TKO wins. The ring isn't very conducive to long clinches against the ropes, which is how Jones tends to set up a lot of his throws by pressing guys against the cage and taking his time. Shooting would be risky, as stuffed takedowns in Pride FC resulted in soccer kicks and knees in the head. Flipside, he could use his long legs to good advantage when stuffing other people's takedowns or if he could toss them and stay standing. So he'd have some success. Facing the top guys at 205 in Pride? Well...Chute Boxe ruled that division. I can't imagine a Jones without a cage or elbows surviving Wandy's Thai Plum, or Shogun's blitzing hands and ruthless ground punishment. He would've been a star, just likely not a champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor_Obviously Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 You guys are missing a very important thing. Jon Jones learns and learns quickly and continues to excel in what he's learned. It's just different rules. Everyone adapts to different rules. It's a must. All Jones would have needed to bring to Pride, besides his athleticism and skills, would've been his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSMMA Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 NO! reason 1: his G&P would be seriously lacking with the elbows being illegal. reason 2: the yellow card system would force him to be more agressive with his punches while G&P. With his long arms he would have to posture up a long way which would lead to his opponent getting submissions or getting back to their feet. reason 3: the crazy japanese would force him to fight in "freak show" events against much larger opponents where he wouldn't hold an advantage reason 4: shogun can use stomps and soccer kicks :D reason 5: Jones has shown to fall to the mystique of hype' date=' in the Rampage fight he had a very specific style and gameplan, it has been revealed that in japan the fighters would be given 2 weeks notice on who they are fighting, so Jones would not have a specific gameplan formulated in that time, and crumble in the fights setup for the champs to build their status of his name. reason 6: Pride died [/quote'] I understand stomps and soccer kicks are a very big part of Shogun's game, but I don't think he would have an opportunity to use them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabri1985 Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 Instead of throwing elbows when he got guys down he would of just gone for side control and smashed knees in there faces, none of the top names in pride would have come close to getting him down so footstomps and soccer kicks wouldn't of made any dif. It's one thing being a hater of someone but it's another thing being a blind hater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmafan73 Posted December 26, 2011 Report Share Posted December 26, 2011 NO! reason 1: his G&P would be seriously lacking with the elbows being illegal. reason 2: the yellow card system would force him to be more agressive with his punches while G&P. With his long arms he would have to posture up a long way which would lead to his opponent getting submissions or getting back to their feet. reason 3: the crazy japanese would force him to fight in "freak show" events against much larger opponents where he wouldn't hold an advantage reason 4: shogun can use stomps and soccer kicks :D reason 5: Jones has shown to fall to the mystique of hype' date=' in the Rampage fight he had a very specific style and gameplan, it has been revealed that in japan the fighters would be given 2 weeks notice on who they are fighting, so Jones would not have a specific gameplan formulated in that time, and crumble in the fights setup for the champs to build their status of his name. reason 6: Pride died [/quote'] /agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuseFan Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 I've seen a few Jones fans quick to say he'd adapt. Sure, it's possible. I just see three big problems if Jones had fought in Pride versus UFC. 1) Elbows. Let's be realistic that Jones' best strikes are his elbows. Sure, he has long reach with his hands and feet, but he uses them more to keep people at range until he can trap them against the fence. He hasn't shown much improvement with his hands or kicks as threatening weapons in and of themselves, and considering the power he could get into them with as long as they are, that's kinda sad. 2) Ring. Jones is a great Greco-Roman wrestler that can use leverage and pressure from the cage to get his takedowns in dramatic fashion. Take away the cage and put him in a ring, he will have to rely a lot more on shooting to get takedowns. (Which is where soccer kicks and stomps come into play if a striker can sprawl and get to his feet fast enough to punish a would-be takedown) Without the cage Jones would have to work much harder for his takedowns. 3) Cardio. Nobody seems to talk about how Jones tires past two rounds. Look at his fights against Bonnar, Rua, and Jackson. Bonnar seriously won Round 3 against Jones because he was pretty much gassed. Jones wasn't in much better shape against Rua in the third there. He wasn't as gassed, but he was definately tiring. Against Rampage Jones was clearly fighting at a slower pace and biding his time to cause damage. Imagine if Jones fought a 10minute first round. Without that break after 5 minutes to refocus on gameplan, to recover some energy....he would waste his energy very quickly. Jones is dynamic and inefficient and must improve on this or rematches against some fighters will go very poorly for him. Jones would definately still be a good fighter, but like I said before, I have a hard time seeing him be able to dominate Wandy or Shogun in the Pride ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP24 Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Yes soccer kicks and knees to the head of grounded opponents, but no on elbows to the grounded opponent, which is like one of his top finishing moves. He would do great, but he wouldn't stop fights as quickly... Then again, he might be a killer with his soccer kicks and knees to the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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