Tiemo Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Both men are in their primes and at the top of their games and egos ... Who wins and how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crangs Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Foreman via not being scared of Tyson and hitting the **** out of him like he did Frazier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 That would be a very interesting match up. Tyson was a lot faster then Foreman. Tyson had a better gas tank. Tyson's chin was underrated, because he didn't need it very often. Even the washed up Tyson took a tremendous beating from Lenox Lewis before he finally quit. He wasn't knocked unconscious. Foreman was dropped by Ron Lyle, and hurt by Gerry Cooney. They were both bullies who couldn't handle it when their opponent stood up to them.Maybe Tyson if he had Cus D'Amato as his trainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegoPig Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Tyson > anyone in their prime (apart from Joe Calzaghe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiemo Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 That would be a very interesting match up. Tyson was a lot faster then Foreman. Tyson had a better gas tank. Tyson's chin was underrated' date=' because he didn't need it very often. Even the washed up Tyson took a tremendous beating from Lenox Lewis before he finally quit. He wasn't knocked unconscious. Foreman was dropped by Ron Lyle, and hurt by Gerry Cooney. They were both bullies who couldn't handle it when their opponent stood up to them.Maybe Tyson if he had Cus D'Amato as his trainer.[/quote'] +1 good post. I think Tyson could have beaten anyone in his prime. He had the speed of a welterweight. George Hit hard though, alot harder than most of Tysons opponents. Your right though it would all be about who is training Tyson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 That would be a very interesting match up. Tyson was a lot faster then Foreman. Tyson had a better gas tank. Tyson's chin was underrated' date=' because he didn't need it very often. Even the washed up Tyson took a tremendous beating from Lenox Lewis before he finally quit. He wasn't knocked unconscious. Foreman was dropped by Ron Lyle, and hurt by Gerry Cooney. They were both bullies who couldn't handle it when their opponent stood up to them.Maybe Tyson if he had Cus D'Amato as his trainer.[/quote'] What do u mean goerge could not handle it when he was not the bully...he beat both those guy very early in the fight i believe Part not ment to classicboxer: I believe forman was indeed a better boxer after his loss to ali...he learned in that fight his power will not win him ever fight...after that he develpoed an solid jab and an even better right str8 (something ppl him his camp told him he need to do 4 many years it seem) Eventhough he would not gain back the title for a long long time he still fought and beat some tough guys one being smokin joe again So i think its not so much as prime but where at in thier prime...if it geroge after his loss to ali i think he take it...but if its be4 ali he loss (which was in prime physically but not skill wise prime) But i gotta agree with classic here on if cus is in tyson corner who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 What do u mean goerge could not handle it when he was not the bully...he beat both those guy very early in the fight i believe Part not ment to classicboxer: I believe forman was indeed a better boxer after his loss to ali...he learned in that fight his power will not win him ever fight...after that he develpoed an solid jab and an even better right str8 (something ppl him his camp told him he need to do 4 many years it seem) Eventhough he would not gain back the title for a long long time he still fought and beat some tough guys one being smokin joe again So i think its not so much as prime but where at in thier prime...if it geroge after his loss to ali i think he take it...but if its be4 ali he loss (which was in prime physically but not skill wise prime) But i gotta agree with classic here on if cus is in tyson corner who knows Shortly after Foreman lost to Ali, he lost to Jimmy Young. He then retired. He came back several years later, and was a solid, above average fighter, but not the best. He lost to Holyfield, and even Tommy Morrison. He then got a lucky break and was given the opportunity to fight Michael Moorer for the heavyweight title, which he won. He was extremely fortunate to get the chance to fight such a weak champion, and he took advantage. The Ron Lyle fight was a back and forth brawl where they both got knocked down, and both took a beating before Foreman got the KO- I think it was around round 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Shortly after Foreman lost to Ali' date=' he lost to Jimmy Young. He then retired. He came back several years later, and was a solid, above average fighter, but not the best. He lost to Holyfield, and even Tommy Morrison. He then got a lucky break and was given the opportunity to fight Michael Moorer for the heavyweight title, which he won. He was extremely fortunate to get the chance to fight such a weak champion, and he took advantage. The Ron Lyle fight was a back and forth brawl where they both got knocked down, and both took a beating before Foreman got the KO- I think it was around round 5.[/quote'] Yah he did...but would u not agree he was a better "boxer" after his lost to ali...he even beat joe again and a few other good names Im saying he was a better boxer after ali and add that with his non diminished physacal talents he was a beast The first time he beat joe he just muscled him in a since...but in the second fight he looked even better...thats all im saying George after the ali fight would beat tyson (its a big if but if cus is not in tyson corner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Yah he did...but would u not agree he was a better "boxer" after his lost to ali...he even beat joe again and a few other good names Im saying he was a better boxer after ali and add that with his non diminished physacal talents he was a beast The first time he beat joe he just muscled him in a since...but in the second fight he looked even better...thats all im saying George after the ali fight would beat tyson (its a big if but if cus is not in tyson corner) You make good points, but I have to disagree that the post Ali- fight Foreman would beat Tyson. I think the pre Ali fight Foreman would beat the post Ali fight Foreman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G__row Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 I got Foreman winning this all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranga Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Have to go with Tyson.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Call me crazy but I think Foreman was even better when he made his comeback. Not physically but he fought smarter, had better defense and was more dangerous imo. I also think Tyson was much better way before he won the belt. When Cus was still around and he was around 19-0 he was a bad mofo. He was lighting fast used incredible movement and threw many combinations. Don't know it would win but it would be an interesting fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsplint Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Depends who the judges are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdWorkKen Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Prime fight with Cuss alive Tyson stays focused trains hard and wants to make Cuss proud. Tyson KO's Forman early rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberSlayer Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 I don't believe Tyson had the better gas tank..If Tyson didn't take it in 3 rounds,George all day,but Tyson is the better bet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberSlayer Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Call me crazy but I think Foreman was even better when he made his comeback. Not physically but he fought smarter' date=' had better defense and was more dangerous imo. I also think Tyson was much better way before he won the belt. When Cus was still around and he was around 19-0 he was a bad mofo. He was lighting fast used incredible movement and threw many combinations. Don't know it would win but it would be an interesting fight.[/quote'] I agree.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Both men are in their primes and at the top of their games and egos ... Who wins and how? Foreman wins by first round KO because Tyson doesn't know how to run away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocforums Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 if only he got a adams apple enlargement and cus was still alive .. dude would have crushed for years longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdWorkKen Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Foreman wins by first round KO because Tyson doesn't know how to run away. Prime Tyson head Movement is the best Boxing has ever seen at HW. He wouldn't need to run away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Prime Tyson head Movement is the best Boxing has ever seen at HW. He wouldn't need to run away. Want to see what Foreman does to little hws go watch what he did too Frazier. Lifting him off the canvas with head shots. Actually Frazier/Tyson would have been epic - but Foreman/Tyson is a slaughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdWorkKen Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Want to see what Foreman does to little hws go watch what he did too Frazier. Lifting him off the canvas with head shots. Actually Frazier/Tyson would have been epic - but Foreman/Tyson is a slaughter. Seen it.. Its all speculation just IMO Forman would be swinging at air getting hit with combos. If Forman got past the 6th it would swing in his favor cause Tyson has a respiratory problem and gasses but think Tyson would finish him early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G__row Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Want to see what Foreman does to little hws go watch what he did too Frazier. Lifting him off the canvas with head shots. Actually Frazier/Tyson would have been epic - but Foreman/Tyson is a slaughter. Agreed. Foreman would expose Tyson. The lack of HW talent when Tyson was king makes it difficult to tell how good he really was. Who here thinks Tyson was better then Evander? I know Tyson was past his prime, but he had nothing for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiemo Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Agreed.Foreman would expose Tyson. The lack of HW talent when Tyson was king makes it difficult to tell how good he really was. Who here thinks Tyson was better then Evander? I know Tyson was past his prime' date=' but he had nothing for him.[/quote'] Tyson better than Evander? if you look at the accumulated record ... Evander. If you look at raw talent and potential .. Tyson. It's an impossible question. Tyson was such a headcase just before the B. Douglas fight. Mike is not a dumb guy, he just had alot of issues mentally that did not allow him to mature as a fighter, anger being the main one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Want to see what Foreman does to little hws go watch what he did too Frazier. Lifting him off the canvas with head shots. Actually Frazier/Tyson would have been epic - but Foreman/Tyson is a slaughter. Maybe but i wouldn't compare Frazier to Tyson even though thier styles were similar they were very different. Tyson had much better movement in his prime and had faster combinations. Everyone talks about Tyson didn't face anyone blah blah blah but rarely mention all the bums Ali etc. fought. On G's point about Evander some fighters just have your number especially fighters that like to headbutt. Evander was a good boxer and had the right strategy to deal with a one punch head hunting Tyson who was a shadow of his former self when they fought. Im not convinced Foreman would definitely beat Tyson. Im not convinced Evander would beat a pre- Cus death Tyson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G__row Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Tyson better than Evander? if you look at the accumulated record ... Evander. If you look at raw talent and potential .. Tyson. It's an impossible question. Tyson was such a headcase just before the B. Douglas fight. Mike is not a dumb guy' date=' he just had alot of issues mentally that did not allow him to mature as a fighter, anger being the main one of them.[/quote'] I think Evander was a much better boxer. The sweet science of boxing. Tyson was a puncher. Tyson may have had the potential, but the fact is, he was a headcase. All of those things factor in to who I rank higher on an all time list. I would say Foreman, Fraizer and Ali are all ranked higher then Mike. Just my opinion. I am not sure that Tyson could beat the Kenny Norton that fought Ali three times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCCagerattler Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Maybe but i wouldn't compare Frazier to Tyson even though thier styles were similar they were very different. Tyson had much better movement in his prime and had faster combinations. Everyone talks about Tyson didn't face anyone blah blah blah but rarely mention all the bums Ali etc. fought. On G's point about Evander some fighters just have your number especially fighters that like to headbutt. Evander was a good boxer and had the right strategy to deal with a one punch head hunting Tyson who was a shadow of his former self when they fought. Im not convinced Foreman would definitely beat Tyson. Im not convinced Evander would beat a pre- Cus death Tyson. I would give Tyson zero chance of beatng Joe Frazier. None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberSlayer Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 I would give Tyson zero chance of beatng Joe Frazier. None. I could see Tyson KOing him,Joe usually only lost to boxers that had massive power,but I'd say Joe would take it 85% of the time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Depends. Tyson's jab... gonna go with Tyson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Very hard to call, I'd go with Foreman seeing as you don't have to ask "which Foreman shows up", but you have to ask that question with Tyson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Very hard to call' date=' I'd go with Foreman seeing as you don't have to ask "which Foreman shows up", but you have to ask that question with Tyson.[/quote'] Foreman lost to Tommy Morrison right before he fought Michael Moorer for the title. I hope that Foreman doesn't show up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabri1985 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Tyson had a complete lack of heart imo, so i would pick Foreman. Glad no one has made a Tyson Vs Ali thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G__row Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Foreman lost to Tommy Morrison right before he fought Michael Moorer for the title. I hope that Foreman doesn't show up! That was not the Foreman we are talking about though. We are talking prime. The Ali era Foreman. Ali beat him because of the rope a dope. Tyson was not that smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Foreman lost to Tommy Morrisonright before he fought Michael Moorer for the title. I hope that Foreman doesn't show up! That made me sick, I know it was just a UD but I just could not stand to see George lose to a guy like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabri1985 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Sly showed Morrison how to box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshdfs Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 The simple answer is just look at 2 fights. Look what a prime Foreman did to Joe Frazier. A compact power puncher with a decent jab and a lights out left hook. And look how Tyson fared against Douglas or later in his career, Lewis. Tall, accurate punchers who weren't scared. end of thread. George is an all time top 5 HW, Tyson might barely crack the top 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G__row Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 The simple answer is just look at 2 fights. Look what a prime Foreman did to Joe Frazier. A compact power puncher with a decent jab and a lights out left hook. And look how Tyson fared against Douglas or later in his career' date=' Lewis. Tall, accurate punchers who weren't scared. end of thread. George is an all time top 5 HW, Tyson might barely crack the top 10[/quote'] I agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Foreman in his prime without doubt would beat Tyson up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hate_Trolls Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 That would be a very interesting match up. Tyson was a lot faster then Foreman. Tyson had a better gas tank. Tyson's chin was underrated' date=' because he didn't need it very often. Even the washed up Tyson took a tremendous beating from Lenox Lewis before he finally quit. He wasn't knocked unconscious. Foreman was dropped by Ron Lyle, and hurt by Gerry Cooney. They were both bullies who couldn't handle it when their opponent stood up to them.Maybe Tyson if he had Cus D'Amato as his trainer.[/quote'] Pretty much this. Tyson and Foreman both had legit power so the KO punch could easily come from either guy. but Tyson had a good speed advantage. This fight could come down to who takes more shots and keeps in it or come down to who lands the hard shot first. I would pick Tyson but this fight is kind of a toss up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 The simple answer is just look at 2 fights. Look what a prime Foreman did to Joe Frazier. A compact power puncher with a decent jab and a lights out left hook. And look how Tyson fared against Douglas or later in his career' date=' Lewis. Tall, accurate punchers who weren't scared. end of thread. George is an all time top 5 HW, Tyson might barely crack the top 10[/quote'] You're wrong. Like you say, "later in his career." I like Foreman, but he's definitely not top 5. Ali Johnson Louis Marciano Dempsey or Tyson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabri1985 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 You're wrong. Like you say' date=' "later in his career." I like Foreman, but he's definitely not top 5.Ali Johnson Louis Marciano Dempsey or Tyson[/quote']Tyson doesn't mak ethe top 5 ahead of Foreman, he doesn't even make it ahead of Fraiser, Lewis, Holyfield, Liston or Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Tyson doesn't mak ethe top 5 ahead of Foreman' date=' he doesn't even make it ahead of Fraiser, Lewis, Holyfield, Liston or Holmes[/quote'] When Tyson was 19-0 with 19 knockouts, 12 first round knockouts, he was on his way to being an all time great. When Tyson was 37-0 with 33 knockouts, he was all time top 5. Even though he fell apart after that, I can't just ignore what he did. The Tyson who was the original baddest man on the planet was all time top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiemo Posted February 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 When Tyson was 19-0 with 19 knockouts' date=' 12 first round knockouts, he was on his way to being an all time great. When Tyson was 37-0 with 33 knockouts, he was all time top 5. Even though he fell apart after that, I can't just ignore what he did. The Tyson who was the original baddest man on the planet was all time top 5.[/quote'] I agree with you. Tyson is top 5 at number 5 or 4 at best. It's sad that he just imploded mentally. He would have been such a force if he was stable mentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabri1985 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 When Tyson was 19-0 with 19 knockouts' date=' 12 first round knockouts, he was on his way to being an all time great. When Tyson was 37-0 with 33 knockouts, he was all time top 5. Even though he fell apart after that, I can't just ignore what he did. The Tyson who was the original baddest man on the planet was all time top 5.[/quote']You mean the Tyson who was getting hand picked opponents and over the hill ex champs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 I think Evander was a much better boxer. The sweet science of boxing. Tyson was a puncher. Tyson may have had the potential' date=' but the fact is, he was a headcase. All of those things factor in to who I rank higher on an all time list.I would say Foreman, Fraizer and Ali are all ranked higher then Mike. Just my opinion. I am not sure that Tyson could beat the Kenny Norton that fought Ali three times.[/quote'] Cant agree more...foreman was just better in almost everyway after the ali fight but headmovement and footwork..but with his reach he and his new jab at the time he would win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaZz3000 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Foreman would get him out of there, violently x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 You mean the Tyson who was getting hand picked opponents and over the hill ex champs. He actually unified the championship by beating 3 champs who were holding the belts of the 3 organizations at the time, not ex-champs, champs! Every great champion tends to have a record that looks kind of weak, because their opponents never become champions. There are a lot of under appreciated contenders who never receive the proper respect simply because they never beat the dominating champion of their era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Cant agree more...foreman was just better in almost everyway after the ali fight but headmovement and footwork..but with his reach he and his new jab at the time he would win Holyfield was a great warrior, but he was also one of the dirtiest fighters of all time. His favorite combination was left hook, right cross, headbutt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Holyfield was a great warrior' date=' but he was also one of the dirtiest fighters of all time. His favorite combination was left hook, right cross, headbutt![/quote'] And biting ppl ears off is only done by gentalmen in the right Truly a class act...when i have a son ill show him tape of tyson fights and say "son see that...thats how a man is ment to be respectful and fight with honor" A lil over the top iknwo...but u get my point i hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 And biting ppl ears off is only done by gentalmen in the right Truly a class act...when i have a son ill show him tape of tyson fights and say "son see that...thats how a man is ment to be respectful and fight with honor" A lil over the top iknwo...but u get my point i hope Of course all of the Tyson hate is 100% true, and I understand, he deserves it. I just tend to see Tyson's career as two different careers, the great fighter with Cus D'Amato, and the train wreck after D'Amato died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Of course all of the Tyson hate is 100% true' date=' and I understand, he deserves it. I just tend to see Tyson's career as two different careers, the great fighter with Cus D'Amato, and the train wreck after D'Amato died.[/quote'] Yah there is a big diffrence...its a shame he fought better guys after cus died.. But i feel the same for foreman after the ali fight....2 diffrent fighter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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