JBJF Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Does this help or hinder their cause in your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Depends on the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJF Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Depends on the cause. state a cause where disobedience helps the cause and another where it hinders. how about nuclear deterrance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 really way too broad of a subject.... you need to lay out a whole situation before your able to get an intellectual response. Many revolutions happened because of civil disobedience. On the other hand the disobedience in another situation might not be guided in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVTContour98 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Depends on how you define Civil Disobedience....define it pls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJF Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 really way too broad of a subject.... you need to lay out a whole situation before your able to get an intellectual response. Many revolutions happened because of civil disobedience. On the other hand the disobedience in another situation might not be guided in the right direction. how about the first thing here: http://occupywallst.org/ help or hinder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJF Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Depends on how you define Civil Disobedience....define it pls really just talking about the occupy movements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Are we talking the movement as a whole?...or a certain even like the Jefferson memorial dance parties? I think its somewhere in between...as a whole it has some success...it has shown the ppl in power that a large group of ppl are willing to come together in support if an ideal even if its against the ones on power "there will always be more ruled then the ruling" But if you mean certain events then no...I think many of them fail because while many of them start strong a lot of the times they fail because some of them just want to rebel without a cause of comment to the cause and they make the true believers look bad...for example the big group of Oakland...they started good but hurt thier cause with the damage to the park they were.doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 how about the first thing here: http://occupywallst.org/ help or hinder? both in this case imo... While its great to get the word out world wide for a good cause....They don't necessarily have a goal so there's almost no point. Thats what i pretty much think of it in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 The occupy movement in Oakland seems to be just a group of professional protestors, people who move from one protest to another, and aren't really passionate about what they are protesting. True civil disobediance is effective, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVTContour98 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 When I think MASS civil disobedience...I think the majority, or just less than the majority of citizens in their country participating....I don't think OWS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJF Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 both in this case imo... While its great to get the word out world wide for a good cause....They don't necessarily have a goal so there's almost no point. Thats what i pretty much think of it in a nutshell. how does it hurt and how does it help in that first case? I think their goal is to inform... but yeah idk so it does seem like there is no point lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJF Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 When I think MASS civil disobedience...I think the majority' date=' or just less than the majority of citizens in their country participating....I don't think OWS.[/quote'] oh got ya. how do you feel about OWS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJF Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 The occupy movement in Oakland seems to be just a group of professional protestors' date=' people who move from one protest to another, and aren't really passionate about what they are protesting. True civil disobediance is effective, in my opinion.[/quote'] lol professional protestors. so I think this could be an example of this being a hinderance on their cause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVTContour98 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 oh got ya. how do you feel about OWS I don't know much about it...is there a list of things that they are standing up for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJF Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Are we talking the movement as a whole?...or a certain even like the Jefferson memorial dance parties? I think its somewhere in between...as a whole it has some success...it has shown the ppl in power that a large group of ppl are willing to come together in support if an ideal even if its against the ones on power "there will always be more ruled then the ruling" But if you mean certain events then no...I think many of them fail because while many of them start strong a lot of the times they fail because some of them just want to rebel without a cause of comment to the cause and they make the true believers look bad...for example the big group of Oakland...they started good but hurt thier cause with the damage to the park they were.doing hmm very good points. perhaps I should have included a 3rd option that expressed that. I think some civil protests like this can be helpful for their cause since most of the time it is simply to inform but sometimes it really hurts there case and they just end up looking like hippies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 how does it hurt and how does it help in that first case? I think their goal is to inform... but yeah idk so it does seem like there is no point lol. It helps because it gets the word out on all the ******** going on in Wall Street and all of the corruption. It hurts because they're not demanding anything and it makes them look like a bunch of people just protesting to protest. They need to find a common goal that could make the protests actually lead to change. As it stands right now theyre just saying fix it but not saying how. I definitely support the movement but you could tell how much its died down and the biggest result was a big media frenzy. Nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJF Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 I don't know much about it...is there a list of things that they are standing up for? lol capitalism it seems... that and they are against whites, men, straights, and chic fil a lol j/k. but capitalism sums it up nicely imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJF Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 It helps because it gets the word out on all the ******** going on in Wall Street and all of the corruption. It hurts because they're not demanding anything and it makes them look like a bunch of people just protesting to protest. They need to find a common goal that could make the protests actually lead to change. As it stands right now theyre just saying fix it but not saying how. I definitely support the movement but you could tell how much its died down and the biggest result was a big media frenzy. Nothing else. well the event they have planned next is in a small town in New Mexico responsible for the first nukes... but yeah it just looks like a bunch of people just protesting to protest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVTContour98 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 lol capitalism it seems... that and they are against whites' date=' men, straights, and chic fil a lol j/k. but capitalism sums it up nicely imo.[/quote'] They are FOR or AGAINST capitalism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJF Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 They are FOR or AGAINST capitalism? against... basically... blah blah **** corporations.... blah blah **** republicans.... blah blah I want government to stop increasing debt but continue to pay my bills... blah blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVTContour98 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 then no i don't agree with them....unless they are specifying crony-capitalism as a problem, then I would agree with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJF Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 then no i don't agree with them....unless they are specifying crony-capitalism as a problem' date=' then I would agree with them[/quote'] crony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 the answer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e94yPrAX0Z0&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 In the case of the recent civil unrest in Anaheim, CA I would say it hinders their cause. 2 people were "unlawfully" killed even though one fired shots in the direction of police. Now you have gatherings, some are peaceful protests(which are effective) and some groups getting mob mentality and destroying private business property, loitering in public places, committing different types of disorderly conduct, and getting angry when people are arrested by SWAT teams and paramilitary police(not effective at all, causing unrest with other residents in the area, and blatantly pulling the 1st Amendment card when they're not acting in accordance with the law) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVTContour98 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 crony? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sSg0xjzIec&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 The occupy movement in Oakland seems to be just a group of professional protestors' date=' people who move from one protest to another, and aren't really passionate about what they are protesting. True civil disobediance is effective, in my opinion.[/quote'] lol professional protestors. so I think this could be an example of this being a hinderance on their cause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Depends on the cause. And the nature.....there were two types of disobedience, that I can think of, that shaped our country - the fight for independence and the civil rights movement. One required violence, one did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJF Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 lmao +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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