brewster Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 While I was off recently I had a lot of time to sit around bored, watching you tube. I found myself watching mindless hours of video's on things like harassment of people by TSA officials, body scanners, police questioning people while open carrying, and other civil right type videos. Are Americans, or all of us for that matter, slowly losing all of our civil rights? Perhaps in the name of the war on terror, perhaps on other things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 you were watching alex jones werent you lol Kidding aside you Americans are definitely getting bent over on your rights because of some supposed threat of terrorism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarbinger Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 It certainly seems like we are. I feel as though we as a society are getting way too sensitive. I remember my grandpa telling me when he was in school kids would duke it out and it would be no big deal. Just recently I heard of a lawsuit in Florida where one father was suing another childs parents because his toddler daughter was shoved to the ground by the other parents' toddler. What the **** are we coming to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 It certainly seems like we are. I feel as though we as a society are getting way too sensitive. I remember my grandpa telling me when he was in school kids would duke it out and it would be no big deal. Just recently I heard of a lawsuit in Florida where one father was suing another childs parents because his toddler daughter was shoved to the ground by the other parents' toddler. What the **** are we coming to? yep. Only in American can a mom sue a store where her son was shot dead while he was attempting to rob it. Why cant you people just slap these idiots and send them on there way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFL_FTW Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 While I was off recently I had a lot of time to sit around bored' date=' watching you tube. I found myself watching mindless hours of video's on things like harassment of people by TSA officials, body scanners, police questioning people while open carrying, and other civil right type videos. Are Americans, or all of us for that matter, slowly losing all of our civil rights? Perhaps in the name of the war on terror, perhaps on other things?[/quote'] Based on the environment we're all in, with everyone's concern on terrorism - yes, we're slowly changing some of our civil liberties. Society does have to readjust itself to meet the challenge that is terrorism. If someone pats you down for 5 seconds of your life before boarding a plane so that people can feel that preventative measures can be done to ensure a safe flight, is that worth it? I say yes. It's worth it. I'd rather everyone get pat down for a brief few moments of their lives so that we can all be safe collectively. Let's not get it twisted - there are still a majority of our civil liberties that we have that makes America great. Whereas other countries do not have the luxuries of certain civil liberties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 The UK has been like this for a long time. with have the highest number of CCTV cameras for them to watch us, last report I saw was 1 camera for every 30 people and more being added. Terror prevention my **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFL_FTW Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 yep. Only in American can a mom sue a store where her son was shot dead while he was attempting to rob it. Why cant you people just slap these idiots and send them on there way. I hear ya. I wish it were that easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewster Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Based on the environment we're all in' date=' with everyone's concern on terrorism - yes, we're slowly changing some of our civil liberties. Society does have to readjust itself to meet the challenge that is terrorism. If someone pats you down for 5 seconds of your life before boarding a plane so that people can feel that preventative measures can be done to ensure a safe flight, is that worth it? I say yes. It's worth it. I'd rather everyone get pat down for a brief few moments of their lives so that we can all be safe collectively. Let's not get it twisted - there are still a majority of our civil liberties that we have that makes America great. Whereas other countries do not have the luxuries of certain civil liberties.[/quote'] Those 5 second pat down are very often much much more. Just yesterday I watched a video of a young lady who asked a TSA official if they would not put her bottled breast milk through the ex-ray machine as it is considered medically exempt and can be secondary searched. They refused and put her in secondary holding for over an hour until she missed her flight. We have the new act passed that allows the US military to arrest and detain any suspected US Citizen who is associated with Terrorism without access to a lawyer or trial. Is this not a direct removal of your 6th amendment right? I'm just asking how much is ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapped2strikes Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 The general scum bag public still haven't figured out that "terrorism" is a repercussion to the actions taken by the sick governments that they put in power. There aren't words enough to describe how much i hate the common man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFL_FTW Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Those 5 second pat down are very often much much more. Just yesterday I watched a video of a young lady who asked a TSA official if they would not put her bottled breast milk through the ex-ray machine as it is considered medically exempt and can be secondary searched. They refused and put her in secondary holding for over an hour until she missed her flight. We have the new act passed that allows the US military to arrest and detain any suspected US Citizen who is associated with Terrorism without access to a lawyer or trial. Is this not a direct removal of your 6th amendment right? I'm just asking how much is ok? Just by definition: Amendments mean "1. the act of amending or correcting 2. a statement that is added to or revises or improves a proposal or document (a bill or constitution etc.)" They are definitive laws that should stay put for some time. Some amendments, I would hope do stay put for a very long time. But, situations change and society should change with it. If the safety of an entire group of people is in jeopardy, I wouldn't mind someone checking and double checking (if necessary) a person's belongings (in this case, the woman's breast milk). Even if I knew that woman, do the people who are acting doing their duty to check and double check any possible explosives brought on board know that woman? I think we should not hassle those TSA people, because in the end, we're all trying to achieve a level of comfort knowing that a terrorist act will likely not occur due to all the inspections done. You may think - this is ridiculous! That just a woman's breast milk. Well, you'd be surprised at how explosives can be made with just a small amount of liquid chemicals. The only thing I think is not right in the aspect of liberty is the inability to have access to a lawyer or trial if associated with Terrorism. I agree that this act is not in the general attitude of what democracy was built upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 The whole war on terror is a farce! How can you have a war based on a human emotion? That is the whole point. Start an unwinnable war against an enemy that cannot be seen. Then get idiots to surrender rights for security that never comes. But be careful when you voice your opposition because the majority of Americans have become so dependant on a broken system that they will fight to defend it. It's the epitome of stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_radly1406052482 Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 The whole war on terror is a farce! How can you have a war based on a human emotion? That is the whole point. Start an unwinnable war against an enemy that cannot be seen. Then get idiots to surrender rights for security that never comes. But be careful when you voice your opposition because the majority of Americans have become so dependant on a broken system that they will fight to defend it. It's the epitome of stupidity. Well said. I would like to add UK as well as America to that statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 The whole war on terror is a farce! How can you have a war based on a human emotion? That is the whole point. Start an unwinnable war against an enemy that cannot be seen. Then get idiots to surrender rights for security that never comes. But be careful when you voice your opposition because the majority of Americans have become so dependant on a broken system that they will fight to defend it. It's the epitome of stupidity. 9/11 never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigs-On-The-Wing Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 9/11 never happened. :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 The whole war on terror is a farce! How can you have a war based on a human emotion? That is the whole point. Start an unwinnable war against an enemy that cannot be seen. Then get idiots to surrender rights for security that never comes. But be careful when you voice your opposition because the majority of Americans have become so dependant on a broken system that they will fight to defend it. It's the epitome of stupidity. and how do they define terrorism. Couldnt the Aurora shooting be seen as terrorism if you twist it around. Maybe drug dealers should be considered terrorists bc they are funding money to the cartels etc etc etc The government will continue to expand the word to fit whatever they want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 9/11 never happened. Do you jest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 The whole war on terror is a farce! How can you have a war based on a human emotion? That is the whole point. Start an unwinnable war against an enemy that cannot be seen. Then get idiots to surrender rights for security that never comes. But be careful when you voice your opposition because the majority of Americans have become so dependant on a broken system that they will fight to defend it. It's the epitome of stupidity. I'm probably gonna shake your tree by saying this, but while I agree you cannot fight an ideology - you can indeed confront a way of life that includes dehumanizing people and resorting to acts of violence as a means to settle disputes. However - the real problem behind many of the top "perps" of terrorism really are less concerned with their beliefs and are by far more interested in power. So this tells you just how twisted the war on terror is on both sides. However, I see a difference in a soldier who is willing to sacrifice himself for someone else for the sake of helping people people whom he has no community with, vs someone who chants "death to the USA" while taking our aide for his benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonie Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 The whole war on terror is a farce! How can you have a war based on a human emotion? That is the whole point. Start an unwinnable war against an enemy that cannot be seen. Then get idiots to surrender rights for security that never comes. But be careful when you voice your opposition because the majority of Americans have become so dependant on a broken system that they will fight to defend it. It's the epitome of stupidity. I'm probably gonna shake your tree by saying this' date=' but while I agree you cannot fight an ideology - you can indeed confront a way of life that includes dehumanizing people and resorting to acts of violence as a means to settle disputes. However - the real problem behind many of the top "perps" of terrorism really are less concerned with their beliefs and are by far more interested in power. So this tells you just how twisted the war on terror is on both sides. However, I see a difference in a soldier who is willing to sacrifice himself for someone else for the sake of helping people people whom he has no community with, vs someone who chants "death to the USA" while taking our aide for his benefit.[/quote'] These both are very good summations of the larger issue. I travel a ton with this company, so being constantly on the road means I have my belongings that I bring down to a science to speed the TSA process. Leaving New Orleans last September I was detained and strip searched, because after going through the full xray scanner they saw I had something left in my tight mini skirt back pocket. I did, an extra fold of fabric :mad:. In the meantime, my carry-on suitcase had 6 bags of what clearly looked and packaged like cocaine and a couple bottles of beer, clearly over 3 oz's and not in a ziplock bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 These both are very good summations of the larger issue. I travel a ton with this company' date=' so being constantly on the road means I have my belongings that I bring down to a science to speed the TSA process. Leaving New Orleans last September I was detained and strip searched, because after going through the full xray scanner they saw I had something left in my tight mini skirt back pocket. I did, an extra fold of fabric :mad:. In the meantime, my carry-on suitcase had 6 bags of what clearly looked and packaged like cocaine and a couple bottles of beer, clearly over 3 oz's and not in a ziplock bag [/quote'] You mule! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonie Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 You mule! Sorry, forgot to clarify that it was actaully beignet mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 generally sure the patdown is fine if you beep but the amount of stories out there of children being groped by the TSA infuriates me. Are they that dense that a kid can be a flight risk all because some retard flags their name as a questionable person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewster Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 OMG I love beignets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewster Posted August 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 These both are very good summations of the larger issue. I travel a ton with this company' date=' so being constantly on the road means I have my belongings that I bring down to a science to speed the TSA process. Leaving New Orleans last September I was detained and strip searched, because after going through the full xray scanner they saw I had something left in my tight mini skirt back pocket. I did, an extra fold of fabric :mad:. In the meantime, my carry-on suitcase had 6 bags of what clearly looked and packaged like cocaine and a couple bottles of beer, clearly over 3 oz's and not in a ziplock bag [/quote'] I would hate to think what the TSA would have done to me if I had gone through the full body scanner as they would have seen my catheter tube protruding from my abdomen :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapped2strikes Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 generally sure the patdown is fine if you beep but the amount of stories out there of children being groped by the TSA infuriates me. Are they that dense that a kid can be a flight risk all because some retard flags their name as a questionable person You can find a number of people's accounts of such incidents dating back to 2001 on the internet. Typically it's security guards targeting young women that are travelling on their own...which shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone with half a brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 You can find a number of people's accounts of such incidents dating back to 2001 on the internet. Typically it's security guards targeting young women that are travelling on their own...which shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone with half a brain. well i think its retarded that there is no repercussions to these people. Too much power has been given to these retarded half wits that have an inferiority complex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapped2strikes Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 well i think its retarded that there is no repercussions to these people. Too much power has been given to these retarded half wits that have an inferiority complex We can only hope that they and the people that support them, get cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 We can only hope that they and the people that support them' date=' get cancer.[/quote'] Or the bad aids from being rape raped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_radly1406052482 Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Beignets FTW!! ^^^ Best beignets on the planet, right thurr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonie Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 OMG I love beignets Beignets FTW!! . Maybe I'll make some to take out hiking since your old *** will need enerfy' date=' if you make it through security here You can find a number of people's accounts of such incidents dating back to 2001 on the internet. Typically it's security guards targeting young women that are travelling on their own...which shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone with half a brain. um, yeah. Was horrible and annoying. All my female coworkers on the same flight had on pants. And of course they didn't pull any of the fighters or corners that went through. Just the girl in the tiny skirt that clearly wasn't hiding anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapped2strikes Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 um' date=' yeah. Was horrible and annoying. All my female coworkers on the same flight had on pants. And of course they didn't pull any of the fighters or corners that went through. Just the girl in the tiny skirt that clearly wasn't hiding anything.[/quote'] I suppose if you had told them to **** off you would've probably been shot. It's strange that none of the fighters came to your aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonie Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I suppose if you had told them to **** off you would've probably been shot. It's strange that none of the fighters came to your aid. Why? We were all just going through security like normal... most everyone had already gone through by the time it became an issue. And what could they have done? Was Ellenberger gonna come over and tell them to leave me alone? That would not have gone well at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tapped2strikes Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Well, if you were alone by that time, then i guess there wasn't much that could be done. Nothing that wouldn't mean you endangering your own life, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 These both are very good summations of the larger issue. I travel a ton with this company' date=' so being constantly on the road means I have my belongings that I bring down to a science to speed the TSA process. Leaving New Orleans last September I was detained and strip searched, because after going through the full xray scanner they saw I had something left in my tight mini skirt back pocket. I did, an extra fold of fabric :mad:. In the meantime, my carry-on suitcase had 6 bags of what clearly looked and packaged like cocaine and a couple bottles of beer, clearly over 3 oz's and not in a ziplock bag [/quote'] i always thought it would be amusing to take something completely legal and make it look like you are smuggling, and package it up and either conceal it in your body cavity, or stashed away in your suitcase all wrapped up to look like contraband. i dont think it would go over very well but it would be funny to have the DEA come in thinking theyve hit the big one. only to discover a 24 pack of toilet paper all wrapped up in your suitcase and a toothbrush in your bum or when they start asking you questions like why are you going and how long are you staying and that kind of stuff...when they ask you the obvious question of "Did you pack your own suitcase?" respond with "No, my husband did. He's a bomb technician," of course either of those ideas wouldnt go over very well and you would likely end up missing your flight, if not, arrested, but at least it would bring a little humor to a super serious place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice64011 Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 I don't think that a body cavity search or sticking things in my bum would be very much fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 oh but you know they are gonna notice that butt plug ur rocking out by the x ray scanners. or whatever else is all up in there. and all your taped up all wrapped and taped up inside your suitcase hidden in your clothes. thats the point. im sure u could still get in trouble for it and your wasting alot of peoples time but still its just plain out trolling it would make for a shocking face reaction to say the least when they find out u went to great lengths to try to smuggle something completely legal into another country. kind of like the look on the clerks face after going to your local supermarket, loading an entire shopping cart full of beer and a pack of diapers, coming up $1.50 short of the total bill so you put back the diapers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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