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Who had the best career? Liddell VS Couture VS Ortiz


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1) Chuck

2) Tito

3) Randy

 

I agree with this. Tito went out on such a bad run. He was like 1-7-1 in his last 9. That's a horrible way to leave, and then listening to all of his excuses through every one of them was bleh. Randy was more of a peoples champion at the end and Chuck, even though he went out on a skid, still did it with his head held pretty high.

 

What about Matt Huges and Wandy? Mirko? Fedor? There's a lot of folks in that era that did some amazing stuff.

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Liddell and Couture certainly achieved a level of fame that was out of all proportion to their actual accomplishments.

 

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If championships really don't mean much. Liddell and Couture were failures. There are really only 2 UFC superstars, GSP and Silva, with Jones, and possibly JDS, joining them.

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randy easily

 

belts in 2 weight classes multiple times

 

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if championships really don't mean much. Liddell and couture were failures. There are really only 2 ufc superstars' date=' gsp and silva, with jones, and possibly jds, joining them.[/quote']

 

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Couture' date=' the only true "man" i have seen in the UFC

 

Fight Lesnar at HW? sure, only 60lbs difference..... and almost twice his age

Fighting top competition in your own and a heavier weight class at 45+ years old??? no worries.

Always classy too.....

 

But his movies... nooooo no no no[/quote']

 

What about when he shot the most cowardly takedown of all time against James Toney?

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Actually a good question because all three were EXTREMELY over rated,well Lidell not so much.

Really other than Shamrock i thought Tito did NOTHING in this sport,a VERY lazy fighter who only gets aggressive when he can use his size on top.His striking rivals Brock's.

 

Couture a definite vet type fighter that used a LOT of head butts or head in the nose/face of opponents to control them,i am surprised he never got his ear bit off lmao.Pretty boring fighter,didn't even take down much,just holding along the cage.

 

This leaves the question a no brainer,Lidell showed some really good fighting and made Tito look like an amateur.He did tail off because of his reckless defense but at least he had an exciting offensive side and a good rounded game adding wrestling to his striking.

If Lidell could have tightened up his defensive striking he could have been a true legend and may still be fighting as champ.

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Liddell imo.

 

He was a dominate champion and most were afraid to stand with him but he didn't give them much of a choice because they couldn't take him down. Tito was the champ and ducked him until he didn't have a choice but to fight him. He had a losing streak towards the end but everyone gets older. He was 37 or 38 before people said that he was old. People are saying the same thing about fighters like Shogun now and he are only 30.

 

People can say that they are overrated but they competed against the best that the UFC had to offer at the time when the sport was still very young. Also Liddell has always been humble and respectful while still confident which was a big plus to me.

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Couture' date=' the only true "man" i have seen in the UFC

 

Fight Lesnar at HW? sure, only 60lbs difference..... and almost twice his age

Fighting top competition in your own and a heavier weight class at 45+ years old??? no worries.

Always classy too.....

 

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This. I?d like to see some champions whose names I won?t mention here fight bigger and younger competion in their forties. A real rolemodel.

As for his fight tactics, he used his strenghts wisely and kept developing his skills until the end.

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I gotta say it's neck and neck between Randy and Chuck' date=' but the only one, despite his overall sorta "ish" record, Randy didn't end his career fully on just getting embarrassed fight after fight after fight.

 

Randy.[/quote']While chuck was still fighting the top guys like Evans, shogun and franklin randy was fight guys like Coleman and toney, as soon as he fought another top guy he also got knocked the fudge out.

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The way I see it all three men had amazing career defining moments and also had moments that left many fans shaking their heads.

 

Ill do Chuck first

 

Chuck Liddel:

 

The Good:

Debuted at UFC 17 in 1998 defeating Noe Hernandez (Unanimous Decision)

Went on a 10 career win streak

Worked hard moving up the UFC roster came on strong as hell taking out opponents left and right and took the strap from Randy Couture, defending the belt 4 times (Jeremy Horn, Randy Couture, Babalu, Tito Ortiz) also having the torch passed from Ortiz to himself as face of UFC he carried the brand and helped solidify the UFC. Appearing on countless tv shows and was always a company man.His superfight with Tito Ortiz started his amazing run as the unstoppable IceMan. His Bout with Wanderlei Silva will go down in history. He was one of two original Coaches on the First Ultimate Fighter alongside Randy Couture. Also two victories in Pride FC (Guy Mezger, Allistair Overeem)

 

the bad:

In His second appearance in the UFC he was choked out by Jeremy Horn

After a 9 fight win streak stepped aside to allow Ken Shamrock to challenge for the belt

when chuck finally stepped up for the belt he was smashed by Randy Couture in his first UFC title bout

Had been set up by Dana White to take out Pride, return with the Pride belt and then was supposed to take out the UFC champ to hold both belts simultaneously. However, in the second bout of the torunament he was smashed by Quentin Rampage Jackson hurting his stock tremendously.

At UFC 71 tried to avenge loss to Rampage, losing his belt in the first Round by KO

lost his return fight to Keith Jardine via split decision

Lost his last three bouts all by way of (T)KO

Made public appearances while abusing prescription pain medicine hurt his image.

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Randy Couture

 

 

The Good:

Debuted at UFC 13 1997 defeating Tony Halme (Rd 1: Submission)

UFC 13 Tournament Winner defeating Tony Halme and Steven Graham

Went on a (UFC) 7 fight win streak

Won the UFC HW strap defeating Maurice Smith, won the HW title for the second time against Kevin Randleman defended twice (Pedro Rizzo x2), Defeated Chuck Liddell for UFC Interim LHW, Unified the titles against Tito Ortiz. Won the LHW strap for a second time against Vitor Belfort. Won the UFC HW strap for a Third time against Tim Sylvia defended once (Gabriel Gonazaga). Superfights with Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, and Brock Lesnar Solidify him as a true warrior taking on opponents much larger and never backing down. First man to shut down the myths of Tito Ortiz, Vitor Belfort and Chuck Liddell.

known best for his age in the octagon it never hampered his performance and he proved time and time again he could compete with the younger dogs of the sport. He helped pioneer the sport as a coach on the First Ultimate Fighter alongside Chuck Liddell as coaches.

 

 

The Bad:

After successful perfomances in the UFC early on in his career Couture often left to compete in other organizations having mixed results and this hurt his legitimacy in MMA.

Retirement fights were almost of regular in the Career of Randy Couture. We never really knew which fight would be his last. Contract disputes with the UFC left him suspended for over a year, when he returned he was decimated by rising star Brock Lesnar losing his title in the second round via TKO. A Lackluster performance against Brandon "The Truth" Vera ended in controversy as Couture walked away with the decision. Many fans viewed Vera as the clear winner and this signified a turn for many UFC fans against Coutures dirty boxing, Greco-roman technique. In his last performance in the octagon Couture had his teeth kicked out of his skull by a flying crane kick by Lyoto Machida in the second round.

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Tito Ortiz

 

The Good:

Debuted at UFC 13 1997 defeating Wes Albritton (1 rd TKO)

Competed in the Fight of the Year (1999) against Frank Shamrock for the UFC LHW title

Defeated Wanderlei "The Axe Murderer" Silva for the UFC LHW strap defended a UFC Record 5 times (Yuki Kondo, Evan Tanner, Elvis Sinosic, Vladimir Matyushenko, Ken Shamrock) Was the face of the UFC and carried the company out of Bankruptcy, he brought new light to the sport and became an over night star and success story due to his over the top brash pompous behavior. People needed to see Tito fight, mostly to see him lose. He always put on a show and made for exciting pre fight build up.

6 fight UFC win Streak before losing title

5 fight UFC win Streak after Losing title

Competed in the Fight of the Year (2006) against Forrest Griffin (winning via split decision)

at UFC 132 Ortiz had a resurgence in his career after a 1 rd submission over top UFC Prospect Ryan "Darth" Bader. Proving he was still one of the best and most dangerous men at 205. He served as coach of the Ultimate Fighter twice. Against Ken Shamrock (Season 3) and against Chuck Liddell (Season 11) His Superfights with Guy Mezger, Ken Shamrock, Chuck Liddell, Forrest Griffin, Vitor Belfort go down in history as UFC defining moments launching the corporation into the limelight.

 

The Bad:

Lost his second bout in the UFC following his emergence into the UFC 13 tournament he was submitted by Guy Mezger in the first round crushing his momentum.

He lost his first shot at the UFC strap losing to Frank Shamrock in the tail end of Rd 4.

Bickering back and forth between he and Chuck Liddell caused a drift in many UFC Fans from his corner and when he opted to sit out while Couture and Liddell fought for his belt it caused even more to doubt his heart. In His return Match against Randy Couture to unify the belts he was literally Spanked by Randy Couture a clean sweep Unanimous Decision loss. Coming back from that loss was the Superfight with Chuck Liddell and after so much build up. Tito Crumbled, fell to the IceMan rd 2 TKO.

Tito Constantly called out fighters many people viewed as past their prime and Tito received much negative publicity for his three unnecessary battles over Ken Shamrock. He lost his next Shot at the UFC strap to Chuck Liddell in another superfight losing via TKO rd 3. Went to a sloppy Draw with Rashad Evans after penalized a point for holding the fence Ortiz would go on without a victory for 5 years Losing many fans and much respect along the way. He left the octagon on a three fight losing streak and lossed the Rubber match to Forrest Griffin via Unanimous decision.

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In my opinion looking over the facts Tito had the most illustrious career but also had the worst downfall.

 

Chuck was built up by Dana White more than anyone in UFC history so most of the bad publicity was covered up to protect his image.

 

Randy's accomplishments speak for themselves but he was never really constant he never really put up a good MMA win streak and some would say his style was boring regardless of how successful it was

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Randy Couture

 

 

The Good:

Debuted at UFC 13 1997 defeating Tony Halme (Rd 1: Submission)

UFC 13 Tournament Winner defeating Tony Halme and Steven Graham

Went on a (UFC) 7 fight win streak

Won the UFC HW strap defeating Maurice Smith' date=' won the HW title for the second time against Kevin Randleman defended twice (Pedro Rizzo x2), Defeated Chuck Liddell for UFC Interim LHW, Unified the titles against Tito Ortiz. Won the LHW strap for a second time against Vitor Belfort. Won the UFC HW strap for a Third time against Tim Sylvia defended once (Gabriel Gonazaga). Superfights with Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, and Brock Lesnar Solidify him as a true warrior taking on opponents much larger and never backing down. First man to shut down the myths of Tito Ortiz, Vitor Belfort and Chuck Liddell.

known best for his age in the octagon it never hampered his performance and he proved time and time again he could compete with the younger dogs of the sport. He helped pioneer the sport as a coach on the First Ultimate Fighter alongside Chuck Liddell as coaches.

 

 

The Bad:

After successful perfomances in the UFC early on in his career Couture often left to compete in other organizations having mixed results and this hurt his legitimacy in MMA.

Retirement fights were almost of regular in the Career of Randy Couture. We never really knew which fight would be his last. Contract disputes with the UFC left him suspended for over a year, when he returned he was decimated by rising star Brock Lesnar losing his title in the second round via TKO. A Lackluster performance against Brandon "The Truth" Vera ended in controversy as Couture walked away with the decision. Many fans viewed Vera as the clear winner and this signified a turn for many UFC fans against Coutures dirty boxing, Greco-roman technique. In his last performance in the octagon Couture had his teeth kicked out of his skull by a flying crane kick by Lyoto Machida in the second round.[/quote']

 

The bad: you left out the 2 KO losses to Liddell. It was almost like Liddell ran him out of the division. He was lucky that the heavyweight division sucked so bad Sylvia was the champ.

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