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i cant take full credit for it.

 

 

but Roidy McDonald's is a ****ing doping cheat

 

there are literally no other causes for back acne other than race horse steroids

 

 

im in med school, trust me acne=steroids it is not variable, there are no exceptions

 

case in point : chael sonnen

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there are literally no other causes for back acne other than race horse steroids

 

 

im in med school' date=' trust me acne=steroids it is not variable, there are no exceptions

 

case in point : chael sonnen[/quote']

 

i believe you sir.

 

 

he's a downright cheating ****er

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I don't see how this is a 100 percent confirmation at all, just because a fighter (who isn't even in the ufc) says its true doesn't mean it is. It just doesn't seem like something a professional fighter would do, I'm sure there have been some cases but a widespread problem? I highly doubt it. It sounds like the kind of lie a child would make up to slander somebody.

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According to dana white fighters dont fake injuries' date=' when they claim that they are injured they have to see a doctor that is associated with the UFC and that doctor declares whether they are injured or not.

 

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Well I think OP used the wrong word.

 

Fighters cant fake injuries, true. Theyll have to see UFC doctors.

 

But fighters can injure themselves on purpose. That's easy. They're also surrounded by pro trainers who have seen it all... and know how to minimize the injury just enough to delay any fight. Tin foil hats on.

 

If theyre weak on wrestling they can allow for 6 or 9months extra training time to improve on wrestling. That's motive.

 

Even just extra time to focus on your opponent is extremely important.

 

Also most fighters have pre-existing conditions that will not be checked out unless requested by them. Small tears in ligaments, inflamation, fluid in joints, etc. Many pro fighters can just walk into a hospital and get several major injuries correctly diagnosed by 3rd party doctors.

 

Remember Munoz? Bone fragments in his elbow that looked like sharkteeth.

 

Ofcourse many fighters have real genuine injuries.

 

But also several have forced their injuries to avoid testing or to allow more time to train.

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Well I think OP used the wrong word.

 

Fighters cant fake injuries' date=' true. Theyll have to see UFC doctors.

 

But fighters can injure themselves on purpose. That's easy. They're also surrounded by pro trainers who have seen it all... and know how to minimize the injury just enough to delay any fight. Tin foil hats on.

 

If theyre weak on wrestling they can allow for 6 or 9months extra training time to improve on wrestling. That's motive.

 

Even just extra time to focus on your opponent is extremely important.

 

Also most fighters have pre-existing conditions that will not be checked out unless requested by them. Small tears in ligaments, inflamation, fluid in joints, etc. Many pro fighters can just walk into a hospital and get several major injuries correctly diagnosed by 3rd party doctors.

 

Remember Munoz? Bone fragments in his elbow that looked like sharkteeth.

 

Ofcourse many fighters have real genuine injuries.

 

[b']But also several have forced their injuries to avoid testing or to allow more time to train.[/b]

 

Do you have any examples or anything to support your claims?

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Do you have any examples or anything to support your claims?

 

You mean besides common sense that:

 

1) people like money and do anything to get it

2) people lie and cheat often, and justify it with "its not specifically in the rulebook"

3) seeing a 100 videos of 100 fighters stating "I have an injury," & "every fighter has injuries."

4) Guys in prelims and undercards cant risk injuries as much because they need the fight money. But co-mains and mains know its more important to stay in the top of the game, because it pays exponentially more?

 

Common sense stuff like that?

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You mean besides common sense that:

 

1) people like money and do anything to get it

2) people lie and cheat often' date=' and justify it with "its not specifically in the rulebook"

3) seeing a 100 videos of 100 fighters stating "I have an injury," & "every fighter has injuries."

4) Guys in prelims and undercards cant risk injuries as much because they need the fight money. But co-mains and mains know its more important to stay in the top of the game, because it pays exponentially more?

 

Common sense stuff like that?[/quote']

 

no im talking about examples, people that have actually done it, im not saying these things cant happen but until you provide an example like a ufc fighter or a witness saying they saw a fighter intentionally injuring themselves your just talking out your ***

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no im talking about examples' date=' people that have actually done it, im not saying these things cant happen but until you provide an example like a ufc fighter or a witness saying they saw a fighter intentionally injuring themselves your just talking out your ***[/quote']

 

Like me or any reporter is supposed to get fighters to admit they cheat, have them risk losing their jobs from the UFC, blacklisting them to MMA organizations, ending their career, lose tons of money, and losing all their fans, and respect of their friends...?

 

Because... The truth will set them free?

 

Worked so well for Richard Nixon when interviewed by David Frost.

 

 

 

P.s. chael's TRT, Overeem's testosterone, and Cyborg's stanzinol, Rampage admitting pride had juicers, clearly shows fighters cheat.... But oh no... Injuries... oh no... cant cheat that way... oh noes... Im talking out of my ***.

 

 

Common sense.

You lack it, son.

Stick with zergling rushes instead.

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Like me or any reporter is supposed to get fighters to admit they cheat' date=' have them risk losing their jobs from the UFC, blacklisting them to MMA organizations, ending their career, lose tons of money, and losing all their fans, and respect of their friends...?

 

Because... The truth will set them free?

 

Worked so well for Richard Nixon when interviewed by David Frost.

 

 

 

P.s. chael's TRT, Overeem's testosterone, and Cyborg's stanzinol, Rampage admitting pride had juicers, clearly shows fighters cheat.... But oh no... Injuries... oh no... cant cheat [i']that way[/i]... oh noes... Im talking out of my ***.

 

 

Common sense.

You lack it, son.

Stick with zergling rushes instead.

 

so basically your answer is no?

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Like me or any reporter is supposed to get fighters to admit they cheat' date=' have them risk losing their jobs from the UFC, blacklisting them to MMA organizations, ending their career, lose tons of money, and losing all their fans, and respect of their friends...?

 

Because... The truth will set them free?

 

Worked so well for Richard Nixon when interviewed by David Frost.

 

 

 

P.s. chael's TRT, Overeem's testosterone, and Cyborg's stanzinol, Rampage admitting pride had juicers, clearly shows fighters cheat.... But oh no... Injuries... oh no... cant cheat [i']that way[/i]... oh noes... Im talking out of my ***.

 

 

Common sense.

You lack it, son.

Stick with zergling rushes instead.

 

and that everything you have said is founded on speculation? and you expect everyone to accept it? you are about as dumb as you are ugly

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and that everything you have said is founded on speculation? and you expect everyone to accept it? you are about as dumb as you are ugly

 

People dont "accept" vector analysis or differential equations often either. I dont expect dumb people to do anything other than do and say dumb things. *wink* *wink*

 

I think im quite a good looking orange tabby cat.

 

 

You remind of an argument I had with some clown when UFC bought Pride.

He said Pride was gonna last, now that it has Zuffa money.

 

I laughed and said they're gonna send Pride fighters to UFC for headliner fights, and then shutdown pride.

 

He said no no, just like when Dana said the deal is like when the NFL bought the AFL. Called me a noob.

 

I laughed and schooled him on what happened to the AFL. Also implied that special thing called common sense.

 

He called me a UFC **** and that i was biased. He didnt like my "speculation" either :'(

 

I laughed and told him the best pride fighters will get pulled into the UFC and Pride will be disbanded.

 

He couldn't "accept" it either.

 

 

I dont expect anyone to "accept" anything. But... Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm I love the smell of butthurt in the morning. :D

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People dont "accept" vector analysis or differential equations often either. I dont expect dumb people to do anything other than do and say dumb things. *wink* *wink*

 

I think im quite a good looking orange tabby cat.

 

 

You remind of an argument I had with some clown when UFC bought Pride.

He said Pride was gonna last' date=' now that it has Zuffa money.

 

I laughed and said they're gonna send Pride fighters to UFC for headliner fights, and then shutdown pride.

 

He said no no, just like when Dana said the deal is like when the NFL bought the AFL. Called me a noob.

 

I laughed and schooled him on what happened to the AFL. Also implied that special thing called common sense.

 

He called me a UFC **** and that i was biased. He didnt like my "speculation" either :'(

 

I laughed and told him the best pride fighters will get pulled into the UFC and Pride will be disbanded.

 

He couldn't accept it either.

 

 

[b']I dont expect anyone to accept anything. But... Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm I love the smell of butthurt in the morning. :D[/b]

 

first of all yes you are you are trying to get people to accept that, you are trying to argue that fighters are intentional injuring themselves, and im not butthurt at all im just calling you and idiot because you are, and yes if thats you in the photo you are ugly

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first of all yes you are you are trying to get people to accept that' date=' you are trying to argue that fighters are intentional injuring themselves, and im not butthurt at all im just calling you and idiot because you are, and yes if thats you in the photo you are ugly[/quote']

 

Good-good-let-the-butthurt-flow-through-you-1.jpeg

 

Quoted to preserve the delicious smell of... of... HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG came in my pants. So much butthurt, it's magical.

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P.s. chael's TRT' date=' Overeem's testosterone, and Cyborg's stanzinol, Rampage admitting pride had juicers, clearly shows fighters cheat.... But oh no... Injuries... oh no... cant cheat [i']that way[/i]... oh noes... Im talking out of my ***.

 

 

Common sense.

You lack it, son.

Stick with zergling rushes instead.

your on about guys cheating to improve themselves there, injuring yourself on purpose will not do this it could in fact hurt you in the long term. For instance macdonald cutting his own eye if people really believe this and are not just trolling then they are rather stupid, no one is going to put a gash that big right above there eye when it could open up again in a fight and cost you that fight??

 

I agree guys can lie about getting injured it's easy enough to fake certain things, but guys doing it on purpose or going through operations to avoid a fight I find that highly doubtful.

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Shouldnt even dignify todays comment w/ a response, but I would never fake an injury. I agreed to fight Hector b4 he was even signed

 

? Brian Stann (@BrianStann) August 15, 2012

 

 

http://www.bjpenn.com/mmanews/2012/08/14/quick-twitt-stann-responds-to-shlemenko-claims-that-he-faked-an-injury-to-get-out-of-lombard-bout-ufc-news-34333.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+bjpenndotcom+%28BJPENN.COM+MMA+NEWS+BLOGS%29

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One of top 5 most appropriate moments for this meme ever. Well done.

 

I'd like to thank Jesus for this award.

 

your on about guys cheating to improve themselves there' date=' injuring yourself on purpose will not do this it could in fact hurt you in the long term.

 

I agree guys can lie about getting injured it's easy enough to fake certain things, but guys doing it on purpose or going through operations to avoid a fight I find that highly doubtful.[/quote']

 

First thing, when you say "in fact." It's not a fact that going through surgery is career ending, or even hindering the short term or long term. It's possible you can come back better, rebuilt. Plenty of examples, look at Shogun post double knee surgery beats forest, machida, and Tashad vs Ortiz.(The Rashad point of view, Tito is just crap and always was.) So it's not a fact an injury is worse. Besides the fact that i mentioned many fighters have pre-existing medium to light injuries they're ignoring... Anyways...

 

Is the juice worth the squeeze? No steroid pun intended. Every fighter/trainer makes that decision when they decide to do this, do that, cheat this, inject that, injure this. Even legit considerations, train here, train there, wear a snorkle, ask Mike Dolce how to be successful in MMA.

 

I think you imagine the UFC is an elite place where fighters don't make mistakes. It is an elite place, but fighters will always make mistakes, because fighters are people. So you can't argue that because "X in your opinion is unbeneficial in the long run(or even in the short run) that people wont choose X." If X exists, there are people out there that would choose it.

 

It's even more doubtful that a ~billion years ago, in a molecular stew, the right combination of amino acids and proteins formed life on earth. In a long enough time with a large enough pallet it happens.

 

We're not even talking random chemistry here... we're talking motives & incentives. Considering that, It's not doubtful, It's assured.

 

I havent said all injuries are purposed, I would guess around 10 of the ~200 injuries that have happened are purposefully brought up or exasorbated.(sp)

 

For instance macdonald cutting his own eye if people really believe this and are not just trolling then they are rather stupid, no one is going to put a gash that big right above there eye when it could open up again in a fight and cost you that fight??

 

Losing a future fight due to only a cut,(which rarely happens) or a cut making you lose heart...

 

Versus...

 

Being forever tagged as the steroid abuser, delegitimazing all his past wins, and questioning his future wins. Plus suspension for 6months, loss of fans.

 

What happened to Overeem? He got replaced by Overoid.

How many posts are there on this forum from Chael-haters saying chael cheated with steroids?(Regardless if it was TRT) 5,000? Maybe 10,000?

 

Besides, Trainers know there's operations to fix scar tissue. You might whind up looking like Wanderlei... but I dont think fighters start fighting because they want to stay forever beautiful. Fighters and trainers know reputation, credibility and fans are more important than actually winning the fight,(when you're established, at the tops) ESPECIALLY when you have money on the line. Plenty of examples of that.

 

 

So what do you think is worse, a rare scenario cut-related stoppage in the future or an immediate Loss of fans, credibility, and reputation for-seemingly-ever?

 

Also, nobody is saying anyone has concrete evidence of it. That requires admittance of guilt... and severe career halting results... But it's not doubtful. It's not only just plausible either. It's highly probable in a minority percentage of the top ranked fighters considering everything I said previously that nobody reads, why am I even typing, oh that's right, work is boring.

 

But heyyyyyyyyyyy... why listen to me yakity yak about high probabilities... I'm just a successful day trader. I assume for a living. Big deal. I place bets on the last 50 ufc fights for spare money. Whoopty doo. I take that spare money and go to fundraisers for struggling vegas college girls. Lah di dah. Im fancy.

 

Shouldnt even dignify todays comment w/ a response' date=' but I would never fake an injury. I agreed to fight Hector b4 he was even signed

 

— Brian Stann (@BrianStann) August 15, 2012

[/quote']http://www.bjpenn.com/mmanews/2012/08/14/quick-twitt-stann-responds-to-shlemenko-claims-that-he-faked-an-injury-to-get-out-of-lombard-bout-ufc-news-34333.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+bjpenndotcom+%28BJPENN.COM+MMA+NEWS+BLOGS%29

I agree that Brian Stann has the integrity to not fake an injury, due to his strong character, lack of devious motive or incentive, and career path.

 

You would agree that anyone who renames his nickname to Ares, the roman god of war, lacks a bit in the integrity department. Also the last prefight, and the ariel interview he's starting to sound almost as ****y as me.

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What happened to Overeem? He got replaced by Overoid.

How many posts are there on this forum from Chael-haters saying chael cheated with steroids?(Regardless if it was TRT) 5' date='000? Maybe 10,000?

 

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To be fair, he's been Overoid for years and I doubt he lost too many fans because everyone has known he was roids since like 2006.

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Even though I'm sure that it has happened I don't see it being very common considering these guys need paychecks. I don't know how Schlemenko thinks that he knows how everything works with the UFC doctors considering he has never been in the UFC. If you have a serious injury then the doctors have a test to prove it. It would be tough to fake serious injuries these days.

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Even though I'm sure that it has happened I don't see it being very common considering these guys need paychecks. I don't know how Schlemenko thinks that he knows how everything works with the UFC doctors considering he has never been in the UFC. If you have a serious injury then the doctors have a test to prove it. It would be tough to fake serious injuries these days.

 

Well if you listen to Anderson the UFC doctors are incompetent enough to miss broken ribs during the pre fight medicals.

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