P4PLikeWater Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 is the Bad Boy, the People's Champ Tito Ortiz! First LHW Champion (Check) Five Title Defenses (Check) A ridiculously long title reign (Check) I could continue but I will just let you pause for a moment and enjoy this thread because like Frank Mir this thread is Amazin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Being first doesn't make it any better, just shows that he was the champ when the sport lacked other talent. Jon Jones is pretty much already the best LHW of all time. He's beaten Machida, Rampage, Shogun and Rashad with Hendo about to be added to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4PLikeWater Posted August 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Being first doesn't make it any better' date=' just shows that he was the champ when the sport lacked other talent. Jon Jones is pretty much already the best LHW of all time. He's beaten Machida, Rampage, Shogun and Rashad with Hendo about to be added to the list.[/quote'] Ok lets clear this up now. Back then he beat the best competition in the sport, it is not his fault the sport was not developed to where it is now and he is why on of the reasons why it is to this point. And again that title defense number for a lhw champion has not been beaten since he set it as the first champion, its been standing for close to 15 years. Jon Jones is not already even close to the best LHW of all time. Granted they are impressive victories there is no dispute there but he is still young and the sport is still young to say he is greatest of all time pretty much, is pretty much way way premature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4PLikeWater Posted August 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Being first doesn't make it any better' date=' just shows that he was the champ when the sport lacked other talent. Jon Jones is pretty much already the best LHW of all time. He's beaten Machida, Rampage, Shogun and Rashad with Hendo about to be added to the list.[/quote'] On a side note I like your AV. (Watch it be from an AV bet or something) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Ok lets clear this up now. Back then he beat the best competition in the sport' date=' it is not his fault the sport was not developed to where it is now and he is why on of the reasons why it is to this point. And again that title defense number for a lhw champion has not been beaten since he set it as the first champion, its been standing for close to 15 years. Jon Jones is not already even close to the best LHW of all time. Granted they are impressive victories there is no dispute there but he is still young and the sport is still young to say he is greatest of all time pretty much, is pretty much way way premature.[/quote'] If Jones beats Hendo he'll only have 1 less title defence and the competition level is significantly higher. If he's not already the greatest he will be very soon. and the Av was my choice, Bruce Leeroy ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4PLikeWater Posted August 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 If Jones beats Hendo he'll only have 1 less title defence and the competition level is significantly higher. If he's not already the greatest he will be very soon. and the Av was my choice' date=' Bruce Leeroy ftw. [/quote'] I will concede if he ties the five title defenses and he finishes Machida in his fifth not by submission by tko at least, I will think of passing him Tito's Crown Bruce Leeroy I do not know what it is about the dude, he is just a likeable dude. I alos say Bruce Leeroy FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobo_Vieri Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 to me its Chuck, the guy was an animal in his prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4PLikeWater Posted August 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 to me its Chuck' date=' the guy was an animal in his prime[/quote'] 5 titles Defense to 4. Plus He got brutally Ko'd by Rampage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobo_Vieri Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 5 titles Defense to 4. Plus He got brutally Ko'd by Rampage. Well Chuck KO'd prime Tito twice, and Randy also. I think he takes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbrahams Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 yeah and Royce Gracie is the greatest fighter of all time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12еr Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 is the Bad Boy' date=' the People's Champ Tito Ortiz! First LHW Champion (Check) Five Title Defenses (Check) A ridiculously long title reign (Check) I could continue but I will just let you pause for a moment and enjoy this thread because like Frank Mir this thread is Amazin.[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobo_Vieri Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 yeah and Royce Gracie is the greatest fighter of all time... He beat Art Jimmerson.. So yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuberling Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Prime Chuck > Everyone at LHW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisti Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 The Time you Reign really doesn't matter because that all depends on how many fight you take a year. Also he was Champion when the UFC was doing far fewer shows so naturally he should have a longer reign. Also do we all forget the body guard at the time for him Chuck I.E. Chuck faced all the good talent and Tito fought the scrubs. You can call me a fan boy I don't care but Jon jones is about to do in less then Two years what it took Tito 5 years to do. With his next win Jones will be one back from tieing Tito's record. Jones is also facing far tougher competition it just the honest truth, lastly Chuck is above Tito in terms of LHW champions in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 He beat Art Jimmerson.. So yeah He couldn't beat Harold Howard therefor your arguement is invalid P4P Greatest of All Time H squared! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice64011 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 The Time you Reign really doesn't matter because that all depends on how many fight you take a year. Also he was Champion when the UFC was doing far fewer shows so naturally he should have a longer reign. Also do we all forget the body guard at the time for him Chuck I.E. Chuck faced all the good talent and Tito fought the scrubs. You can call me a fan boy I don't care but Jon jones is about to do in less then Two years what it took Tito 5 years to do. With his next win Jones will be one back from tieing Tito's record. Jones is also facing far tougher competition it just the honest truth' date=' lastly Chuck is above Tito in terms of LHW champions in my opinion.[/quote'] +1 Chuck would have beat Tito earlier if Tito wasn't ducking him. Eventually Jones will probably be #1 at the pace that he is going but it will always be Chuck to me. He was dominate during his time and was humble/respectful while doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team_spahr Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 If we are talking reigns Ortiz Reign: Wanderlei Kondo Tanner Sinosic V Mat Shamrock Liddell Reign: Couture Horn Couture Sobral Ortiz Jones' Reign: Shogun Rampage Machida Evans Hate to say it, but if Jones gets past Hendo, he has the best reign no doubt. Then Id go liddell. He beat Couture and Ortiz up, two guys who would also be in contention for this position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruz2990 Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuAloser Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 If we are talking reigns Ortiz Reign: Wanderlei Kondo Tanner Sinosic V Mat Shamrock Liddell Reign: Couture Horn Couture Sobral Ortiz Jones' Reign: Shogun Rampage Machida Evans Hate to say it' date=' but if Jones gets past Hendo, he has the best reign no doubt. Then Id go liddell. He beat Couture and Ortiz up, two guys who would also be in contention for this position.[/quote'] All former champs in the UFC...sorry Wanderlei Pride doesn't count. and Jones got the most in his tittle defense run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Wanderlei in Pride, soon to be Bones if he beats hendo and machida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximumBob Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Bone's only makes the p4p LHW list because of his insane height and reach advantage. All things being equal, as the old saying goes' a good big un will always beat a good little un. If he shows the same level of dominance among fighters at HW, which is where he should be, i think he can be considered P4P, but not until. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 All former champs in the UFC...sorry Wanderlei Pride doesn't count. and Jones got the most in his tittle defense run. uh yeah dude .. kinda hard to beat other champs when you're the first one :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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