KINGnoob Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 You hear it all the time from conspiracy theorists and the leftists that the wealthy are destroying the middle class, but why would they want to do that? They need the middle class to consume, take loans, and create more wealth. They are in essence dependent on a middle class. Sure there are places with very very rich and very very poor. But no way does that work long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted August 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 lol **** wrong section move this please mods ahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wirerat Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 If they can manage to disolve the middle class by funneling wealth out of the middle class and into the upper class hands while creating a system of dependecy for the poor, the wealthy can control the poor like hungry puppets. It's the most logical way to develop a ruling class without creating revolt. Problem is if you do it too fast it becomes obvious, if you do it too slow there is more time for people to catch on. Once people start catching on you just have to convince the others to think they are crazy and should be ignored and carry on smartly. Pretty simple concept really. The Elite will always believe they are superior and desire to rule over the lesser fortunate than themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted August 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 If they can manage to disolve the middle class by funneling wealth out of the middle class and into the upper class hands while creating a system of dependecy for the poor' date=' the wealthy can control the poor like hungry puppets. It's the most logical way to develop a ruling class without creating revolt. Problem is if you do it too fast it becomes obvious, if you do it too slow there is more time for people to catch on. Once people start catching on you just have to convince the others to think they are crazy and should be ignored and carry on smartly. Pretty simple concept really. The Elite will always believe they are superior and desire to rule over the lesser fortunate than themselves.[/quote'] Yes but like i said how can you effectively destroy the middle class without effectively destroying that which creates the wealth in the first place? And sure it exists in places around the world but how sustainable could that really be in the long term? In the end they have no choice but to reinvest to sustain that which they desire most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted August 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 If they can manage to disolve the middle class by funneling wealth out of the middle class and into the upper class hands while creating a system of dependecy for the poor' date=' the wealthy can control the poor like hungry puppets. It's the most logical way to develop a ruling class without creating revolt. Problem is if you do it too fast it becomes obvious, if you do it too slow there is more time for people to catch on. Once people start catching on you just have to convince the others to think they are crazy and should be ignored and carry on smartly. Pretty simple concept really. The Elite will always believe they are superior and desire to rule over the lesser fortunate than themselves.[/quote'] This also sounds very conspiratorial to me. Now I am talking strictly in American terms. In other countries sure, but in America they need the middle class to produce wealth. In a free society its almost a requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 You hear it all the time from conspiracy theorists and the leftists that the wealthy are destroying the middle class' date=' but why would they want to do that? They need the middle class to consume, take loans, and create more wealth. They are in essence dependent on a middle class. Sure there are places with very very rich and very very poor. But no way does that work long term.[/quote'] I don't think they are trying to "destroy" the middle class. I think they are just worried about increasing their own wealth, and don't care what happens with the middle class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMod_FUCKS_his_FAT_DISGUSTING_MOM_in_the_ASS_BEG_is_a_CUNT_too_LMFAO Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 I don't think they are trying to "destroy" the middle class. I think they are just worried about increasing their own wealth' date=' and don't care what happens with the middle class.[/quote'] ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted August 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 I don't think they are trying to "destroy" the middle class. I think they are just worried about increasing their own wealth' date=' and don't care what happens with the middle class.[/quote'] I agree and disagree. They are definitely about their own self interests. But I do believe that they have no choice but to preserve the middle class. Also has there been an example of them purposely trying to destroy the middle class in America? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullbone Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 The whole "class" discussion is err anyway. We don't have a class system here in the same sense as in say India. We have one class of people who all have equal access to the free market and all it's facilities to do whatever they want. Class is not a permanent state here. It's an imaginary boundary that only divides Americans by current plight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wirerat Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 I agree and disagree. They are definitely about their own self interests. But I do believe that they have no choice but to preserve the middle class. Also has there been an example of them purposely trying to destroy the middle class in America? No, it's all just assumption and paranoia. it's very possible for the ruling class to exist just fine with subservient poor classes serving them. It worked for centuries both before, during, and after the dark ages and still very much exists today in some countries with hierarchial systems of government. When you've managed to collect enough wealth to sustain your social class for generations and enough power to take wealth from others as you deem necessary for the kingdom, a middle class is the last thing you need. A strong and sizable middle class is the only defense from the rich ruling the poor with an iron fist. Who knows the truth? I don't, I don't think most rich people are looking to rule the poor, but I do believe the top 1% wouldn't be heartbroken with a dissolution of the middle class at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullbone Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 I don't think anyone is purposely trying to destroy the "middle class." I think the problem is we have two completely different ideas about what is good and what is bad for the "middle class." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 I don't think anyone is purposely trying to destroy the "middle class." I think the problem is we have two completely different ideas about what is good and what is bad for the "middle class." However, it's an undeniable fact that since Reagan became president the wealth of the rich people in America has increased by a huge amount compared to any time in American history. I think the principles behind the Occupy movement do have some merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullbone Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 However' date=' it's an undeniable fact that since Reagan became president the wealth of the rich people in America has increased by a huge amount compared to any time in American history. I think the principles behind the Occupy movement do have some merit.[/quote'] The wealth of ALL Americans increased under Reagan. Things have changed since then, primarally our way of thinking. I do not think Occupy has any merit at all other than promoting Anti capitalist propaganda. If you don't have wealth in this country it's your own fault. It's not because Ronald Reagan or George Bush deemed it so. Our problem isn't rich people and poor people. A rising tide lifts all ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 The wealth of ALL Americans increased under Reagan. Things have changed since then' date=' primarally our way of thinking. I do not think Occupy has any merit at all other than promoting Anti capitalist propaganda. If you don't have wealth in this country it's your own fault. It's not because Ronald Reagan or George Bush deemed it so. Our problem isn't rich people and poor people. A rising tide lifts all ships.[/quote'] The word for this is GREED. I make a good living and own my house, but the "greed is Good" mentality isn't a good thing, in my opinion. The wealth of all Americans basically increases every year. If your income stays the same, and a rich person doubles his wealth, the net result is that the average has increased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted August 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 However' date=' it's an undeniable fact that since Reagan became president the wealth of the rich people in America has increased by a huge amount compared to any time in American history.[/quote'] I dont see how this is a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGOAT Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Mods sleeping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted August 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 The word for this is GREED. I make a good living and own my house' date=' but the "greed is Good" mentality isn't a good thing, in my opinion. The wealth of all Americans basically increases every year. If your income stays the same, and a rich person doubles his wealth, the net result is that the average has increased.[/quote'] Greed is good to a point. Especially in a free society. And dont talk like we are not all Greedy. If men were angels there would be no point for government. The poor are greedy too. I am a believer that when people pursue their own interests it benefits everyone, within the rule of law of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted August 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Mods sleeping? yea no kidding, this needs moved. Its almost awkward having it in this section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullbone Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 The word for this is GREED. I make a good living and own my house' date=' but the "greed is Good" mentality isn't a good thing, in my opinion. The wealth of all Americans basically increases every year. If your income stays the same, and a rich person doubles his wealth, the net result is that the average has increased.[/quote'] I mean specifically all people. Not just on average. The standard of living increased for everyone. I agree greed is not good. Money is fine though and so is merit. Voluntary rewarding of money for merit is fair for everyone. Giving different grades in school based on merit is no different. Making a good life for yourself and expecting it to not be seized arbitrarily is not greed. A rich man who doubles his wealth gets a thumbs up from me. So does a poor man who does the same. Only in this country are both possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EccentricMeat Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 So to sum up what I've read in this thread: Greed is good. The rich got rich and stayed rich fairly and within the law. The rich are not trying to screw over those below them. To all three statements, my response is simple: LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Good thread, brother BJJ! The bogey man of the wealthy class is a common tactic of the left to divide & conquer during class war debates. The left just cant accept that their failed policies of wealth redistribution will never amount to "shared prosperity" - only shared misery - but it is their contempt that drives their anger and makes them blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 So to sum up what I've read in this thread: Greed is good. The rich got rich and stayed rich fairly and within the law. The rich are not trying to screw over those below them. To all three statements' date=' my response is simple: LOL [/quote'] Greed has fed more people than any charity ever has.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EccentricMeat Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Greed has fed more people than any charity ever has.... Greed also feeds those who don't need that extra feeding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Your theories assume that the super wealthy operate on a fiat currency basis. They do not. The super wealthy operate on a very obvious barter and trade system. Do you think if Rupert Murdoch wants a Jaguar that he pays for one? He doesn't. They give him one in exchange for advertising rights... Etc... Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Greed also feeds those who don't need that extra feeding... Who are you to decide what anyone needs? Shall we create a consumption bearau (gestapo) to deictate what is enough for anyone? Jealousy only hurts you...dont be a hater, be a better player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Good thread' date=' brother BJJ! The bogey man of the wealthy class is a common tactic of the left to divide & conquer during class war debates. The left just cant accept that their failed policies of wealth redistribution will never amount to "shared prosperity" - only shared misery - but it is their contempt that drives their anger and makes them blind.[/quote'] Riiiiight... There isn't a global economic crisis. It's in the democrats heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casino16 Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Yes but like i said how can you effectively destroy the middle class without effectively destroying that which creates the wealth in the first place? And sure it exists in places around the world but how sustainable could that really be in the long term? In the end they have no choice but to reinvest to sustain that which they desire most. the middle who turned poor would continue to work and they would stay poor due to loans and other **** we need to pay for but dont actually want wow im drunk, i can go more into detail later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 the middle who turned poor would continue to work and they would stay poor due to loans and other **** we need to pay for but dont actually want wow im drunk' date=' i can go more into detail later[/quote'] please dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 please dont Everybody who started working in the 1970's raise your hand! I can tell all of you that Reagan ****ed the working class, and it will never be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFL_FTW Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 The whole "class" discussion is err anyway. We don't have a class system here in the same sense as in say India. We have one class of people who all have equal access to the free market and all it's facilities to do whatever they want. Class is not a permanent state here. It's an imaginary boundary that only divides Americans by current plight. Is your tax bracket imaginary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Everybody who started working in the 1970's raise your hand! I can tell all of you that Reagan ****ed the working class' date=' and it will never be the same.[/quote'] The proof is in the pudding, and I'd say you're right! Tax breaks instituted by his administration has done nothing but make the rich richer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_radly1406052482 Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 The proof is in the pudding' date=' and I'd say you're right! Tax breaks instituted by his administration has done nothing but make the rich richer.[/quote'] Ah, c'mon now. You are talking about the guy who gave us Star Wars. This man can do no wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Ah' date=' c'mon now. You are talking about the guy who gave us Star Wars. This man can do no wrong.[/quote'] What a giant waste of money that was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casino16 Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 i had a dream of bare knuckle boxing a big irishman and i threw a knee to his face and killed him. sad to say there is no kneeing in boxing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uddaside Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 The word for this is GREED. I make a good living and own my house' date=' but the "greed is Good" mentality isn't a good thing, in my opinion. The wealth of all Americans basically increases every year. If your income stays the same, and a rich person doubles his wealth, the net result is that the average has increased.[/quote'] +1 The overall cost of living also rises for the average person as the rich wealth increases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGOAT Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 2 star thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 +1 The overall cost of living also rises for the average person as the rich wealth increases. +1 to you too Which does not equate to everyone becoming more wealthy. A healthy understanding of ratios in relation to statistics is important here. It seems that the "greed is good" crowd are among the rich and super rich, or they dont understand math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uddaside Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Everybody who started working in the 1970's raise your hand! I can tell all of you that Reagan ****ed the working class' date=' and it will never be the same.[/quote'] The Iron Lady did the same thing here in England, privatise as much as possible, scrap the unions, unchain the banks. What followed? the massive recession of the early 90s. If you were working class she wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGOAT Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Don't be so generous. It's only cause I posted in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jduk Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 The Iron Lady did the same thing here in England' date=' privatise as much as possible, scrap the unions, unchain the banks. What followed? the massive recession of the early 90s. If you were working class she wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire.[/quote'] There's going to be a lot of parties the day she dies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 There's going to be a lot of parties the day she dies Not as many as there will be when Obama is fired over here on 11/6/2012! Obama is perhaps the biggest mistake in american history, but also perhaps a necessary one - as we need to be reminded of the dangers of central planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uddaside Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 There's going to be a lot of parties the day she dies For sure' date=' unfortunately we're living with her legacy now, look at our rail network it has been privatised and now it's a shambles we pay 30% more for our travel services than any other western european country and our service is amongst the worst, with a 6% rise in fares due in january, which is way above inflation. Not as many as there will be when Obama is fired over here on 11/6/2012! Obama is perhaps the biggest mistake in american history, but also perhaps a necessary one - as we need to be reminded of the dangers of central planning. Obama worse than Bush? Bush took your country to war based on a blatant lie what can be worse than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Not as many as there will be when Obama is fired over here on 11/6/2012! Obama is perhaps the biggest mistake in american history' date=' but also perhaps a necessary one - as we need to be reminded of the dangers of central planning.[/quote'] Here we go with more of your ridiculous Christian Neo-Con ********... Obama worse than Bush? Bush took your country to war based on a blatant lie what can be worse than that? This^ but I bet the guy above your quote thinks he was just swell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabri1985 Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 For sure, unfortunately we're living with her legacy now, look at our rail network it has been privatised and now it's a shambles we pay 30% more for our travel services than any other western european country and our service is amongst the worst, with a 6% rise in fares due in january, which is way above inflation. Public transport over here is a complete joke mate, to get the train from Manchester to Glasgow is about ?120!!! i can get flights to Spain for that kind of price. For a train to be considered late it has to arrive ten minutes after it is scheduled, so when you see all these things saying such and such train service had 95% of there trains turn up on time it could really of had hundreds of trains turn up 9 minutes late but that would be considered on time. Yep when she goes though a lot of working class people are going to be very happy indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jduk Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Obama worse than Bush? Bush took your country to war based on a blatant lie what can be worse than that? You mean the same "lie" that everyone else in the world believed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Obama worse than Bush? Bush took your country to war based on a blatant lie what can be worse than that? Significantly worse than Bush. I'm no Bush fan, but at least he espoused free market policies and believed in a strong foreign policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 Significantly worse than Bush. I'm no Bush fan' date=' but at least he espoused free market policies and believed in a strong foreign policy.[/quote'] If by that you mean wagging the dog, sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 If by that you mean wagging the dog' date=' sure...[/quote'] You might wanna remind your wife she still needs to respond to our prior discussion , kthxbi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uddaside Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 You mean the same "lie" that everyone else in the world believed? Everyone else? according to the united nations the war was illegal. Not sure which everyone else you're refering to. Significantly worse than Bush. I'm no Bush fan' date=' but at least he espoused free market policies and believed in a strong foreign policy.[/quote'] Hundreds of thousands of people are dead that need not be because of him, and you think his free market and foregn policies make up for that? is life that cheap to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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