edh1 Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 I am not a hater, but I do seriously qustion if Jon Jones,would be so damn successfull had it not been for his 8-12 inch reach advantage every single fight.All these(so called) high risk, creative strikes are a lot easier when you rarely enter the danger zone.He gets to sit back and tee off, when his opponents really have to work to get close to his chin.Don't get me wrong the guy is skilled everywhere, but it's the reach that is making him untouchable.(AT THE MOMENT)......Just curious how he would fare when only enjoying a 2-3 inch advantage, or an equal reach against some of the elites.Because right now he's gonna be tough to stop at 205.But how will he fare at heavyweightSeriously do people really think this guy takes out JDS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arenalol Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 i think bones would be a contender at best if it wasnt for those gogo gadget arms of his, to me its just not entertaining to watch a fighter that is winning because of an extreme physical advantage and thats what i see in john jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAJess Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Would Hendo be as successful without his H-bomb? Would Diaz be as successful without an iron chin and a ton of cardio? Would Lesnar've been the success he was without his size and strength? There are other fighters who have greater reach advantage than Jones, but aren't nearly as successful. Fighters go into a fight using the tools they have, and the great ones learn to make the most of their advantages. And that's what Jones does - he uses his reach advantage to perfection (so far.) So lets not assume that all his success is because of his reach, and I really don't think it's fair to hold it against him. After all, what's he supposed to do - trim a few inches off his arms and legs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edh1 Posted August 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Name one fighter that shares that overwhelming advantage in every single fight, I am not saying he isntt good , he might have been a champ regardless, but his reach is bigger than all the heavyweights also,Yes even Struve and Overeem.You watch boxing MMA , kickboxing, any combat sport and a 4 inch advantage is considered by many to be a huge disadvantage.He enjoys triple that against some guys.Eventually there will be some SORT OF KRYPTONITE FOR JON JONE.BUT HE ISNT ANDERSON SILVA ,DESPITE WHAT THE BANDWAGON BOYS LIKE TO SAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StocktonStrangler420 Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Hell the mother****er will have a 14 inch reach advantage over Hendo. 20-25 pound weight advantage on fight night and he's 17 years younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edh1 Posted August 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Some of these teams have weight cutting down to a science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yummy_Baby Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Iv'e been saying this forever. He's 6'4 and and has a 3inch reach advantage on 6'11 struve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Iv'e been saying this forever. He's 6'4 and and has a 3inch reach advantage on 6'11 struve. They have identical reach according their measurements, Jones would probably have an advantage if they remeasured him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StocktonStrangler420 Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Iv'e been saying this forever. He's 6'4 and and has a 3inch reach advantage on 6'11 struve. Struve was remeasured and he has a 84.5 inch reach just like Jones. Jones needs to be remeasured as well there's no way he's only 6'4" When he takes photos with other 6'4" fighters like Arlovski he's taller than they are. He's easily 6'5" I'd say Struve is taller than 6'11" as well. His 6'11" 83 inch reach measurements were taken when he was 20 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yummy_Baby Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Struve was remeasured and he has a 84.5 inch reach just like Jones. Jones needs to be remeasured as well there's no way he's only 6'4" When he takes photos with other 6'4" fighters like Arlovski he's taller than they are. He's easily 6'5" I'd say Struve is taller than 6'11" as well. His 6'11" 83 inch reach measurements were taken when he was 20 years old. ok. so they will get bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor_Obviously Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePack19 Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Well then.....Struve should be dominating his division for having insane reach too? No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurzy Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Would Hendo be as successful without his H-bomb? Would Diaz be as successful without an iron chin and a ton of cardio? Would Lesnar've been the success he was without his size and strength? There are other fighters who have greater reach advantage than Jones' date=' but aren't nearly as successful. Fighters go into a fight using the tools they have, and the great ones learn to make the most of their advantages. And that's what Jones does - he uses his reach advantage to perfection (so far.) So lets not assume that all his success is because of his reach, and I really don't think it's fair to hold it against him. After all, what's he supposed to do - trim a few inches off his arms and legs?[/quote'] I see what your trying to point out..but people can train punching power, cardio, and strength. People cant train the God-given reach advantage that jones has. Of course he works hard and is very naturally talented but its impossible not to acknowledge that it gives him a nice advantage. And as of now..Jones has the longest reach advantage in the entire UFC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 I remember when people use to get angry at athletes for using performance enhancing drugs, or some unnatural way to get ahead. Now it's "Look at what nature and God gave him this is BS!" Come on people can we stop complaining about his body that's a part of a fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaSupGuy Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 OP is spot on, this is not to say Jones doesnt work hard or isnt talented, but take away his natural gifts and skillwise (which is what I like to see) he is nowhere near as good as a lot of other fighters. Perfect example, how he got Lyoto in the gulliotine, Jones just engulfed him with it and chinched it in easily. But can you honestly say that his size and length didnt have something to do with that, think about it if its so easy then why isnt Machida getting subbed left and right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAJess Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Micah Miller had a huge reach advantage on everybody. How'd that work out for him on TUF? How did a huge reach advantage work out for Tim Silvia vs. Couture? Hong Man Choi has the longest reach ever, is he the greatest fighter ever? People need to stop acting like reach advantage = guaranteed win. Yes, he has an advantage, but it's not his reach advantage that wins fights, it's his skill and talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitiBoy7 Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Well then.....Struve should be dominating his division for having insane reach too? No? I would love for this to be answered or the recently KOed victim 5'9 76inch reach bantamweight Miguel Torres. I guess the biggest fighters in each weight class should be dominating. Fighters don't complain about it so why should fans, where there's a will there's a way. Lol only mma fans hate domination just imagine when someone dethrones Bones he'll immediately be a star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edh1 Posted August 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 It actually took a long time for anyone to figure out torres, the guys fought like 40 fights +,and he had phenomenal record , i think he was a champ, he never had a 10 inch reach advantaget there are exceptions obviously , but to say reach doesnt play a role is insane., everyone gets beat up and Torres is past his prime too.OBVIOUSLY REACH IS NOT EVERYTHIN. BUT IF YOU HAVE FIGHTERS OF EQUAL ABILITY , MACHIDA AND JONES FOR EXAMPLE I WOULD SAY THE GUY WITH 84 INCH REACH HAS A PRETTY SOLID ADVANTAGE OVER MACHIDA AT 73, ALMOST A FULL BLOODY FOOT, ............MASSIVE ADVANTAGE, IN FACT I THINK MACHIDA HAS SUPERIOR SKILLS BUT I DON'T WANNA FIGHT ABOUT THAT WITH ONES BANDWAGGON BOYS. NOBODYS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE REACH IT'S JUST AN OBSERATION.. JONES IS GOOD FOR THE SPORT, EVERY SPORT NEEDS A POSTERBOY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgelebrun Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 wow. never seen a thread like this before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 Thread resumed: butthurt Machida fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengu Posted August 18, 2012 Report Share Posted August 18, 2012 He wouldn't be as dominant as he is right now if he didn't have that ridiculous long reach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edh1 Posted August 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Thread resumed: butthurt Machida fans That hurt '' Butthurt Machida fan''(Actually not at all).I STILL ENJOY WATCHING THE FOOTAGE OF Shogun wasting him.One can't deny Machidas talent though....CAN WE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yummy_Baby Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Machida is going to mop the floor with jones. But shogun ke'll just ko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattN Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 When he moves to heavy weight, he'll only have a few inches in reach advantage against the top 10, Ex: Carwin has 82" reach vs his 84", he's also 2" shorter than bones, but 50lbs heavier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChamp Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 reach means nothing. i have seen plenty of smaller fighters KO the bigger guys. of course every time JBJ wins a fight all the haters come rushing in claiming the only reason he wins so dominantly is because of his reach advantage. well its not an advantage at all if any of his opponents would have the balls to just rush in on him and start throwing now would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetatronBJJ Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 OP is spot on' date=' this is not to say Jones doesnt work hard or isnt talented, but take away his natural gifts and skillwise (which is what I like to see) he is nowhere near as good as a lot of other fighters. Perfect example, how he got Lyoto in the gulliotine, Jones just engulfed him with it and chinched it in easily. But can you honestly say that his size and length didnt have something to do with that, think about it if its so easy then why isnt Machida getting subbed left and right.[/quote'] Of course his reach helped him choke out Lyoto. It's why his elbows are viscious too. But like ThePack19 said, Struve would be dominating his division if it had that much of an impact. Chris Leban has a big head. I think that's why he can take so many shots. Same with Roy Nelson. I'm just kinda confused on what people expect. Should Jones resign from MMA or should they fit him with some apparatus that keeps him from fully extending his arms? If he fights at heavyweight, he'll still have the longest reach. You work with what you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells_Bartender Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 All types of bodies have their weaknesses. Jones is just good at hiding his. Guys with massive reach advantages lose all the time in the lower divisions.His wrestling helps him out a lot. Personally I think I'll take a world class BJJ player to beat him, those legs are asking to be heel hooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Wesley_of_Wells Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 7-9 inches depending on how cold it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Well then.....Struve should be dominating his division for having insane reach too? No? No. Jones is huge for his weightclass, Struve is just long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAJess Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 No. Jones is huge for his weightclass' date=' Struve is just long.[/quote']So let me get this straight. You're saying he is huge for his weight class and it has nothing to do with his reach. And he makes weight every fight. So what's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeStSilva Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 I remember when people use to get angry at athletes for using performance enhancing drugs' date=' or some unnatural way to get ahead. Now it's "Look at what nature and God gave him this is BS!" Come on people can we stop complaining about his body that's a part of a fighter.[/quote'] This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaSupGuy Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Of course his reach helped him choke out Lyoto. It's why his elbows are viscious too. But like ThePack19 said' date=' Struve would be dominating his division if it had that much of an impact. Chris Leban has a big head. I think that's why he can take so many shots. Same with Roy Nelson. I'm just kinda confused on what people expect. Should Jones resign from MMA or should they fit him with some apparatus that keeps him from fully extending his arms? If he fights at heavyweight, he'll still have the longest reach. You work with what you have.[/quote'] ^Youve already acknowledged the point of the thread, the point is skillwise Jones is not impressive at all. Im not saying he has to go to HW or his wins are cheap or anything really negative about him. I just think in terms of pure skill he is mediocre. Obv he still finds ways to win, no one is discrediting that. I (and Im sure others feel) a win by technical skills is more impressive than winning by overwhelming with size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAJess Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 Didn't Gracie prove in the first couple UFC events that skill >>>>>>> size? (sure, he also proved that you can win a fight by b***h hair-pulling for 2 minutes, but that's another discussion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengu Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 So let me get this straight. You're saying he is huge for his weight class and it has nothing to do with his reach. And he makes weight every fight. So what's the problem? 84" reach at heavyweight isn't as bad because most heavyweights have almost a 80" reach. But 84" at LHW is ridculous because just look at Lyoto and Rampage, their reach is like <75". We can't really complain about his size because it's not like he took any PED's to get it, its natural but my thing is that WITHOUT those long arms, he wouldn't be as successful which is part of the p4p debate. The dude is dominating guys smaller than him so you can't really say his p4p #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePack19 Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 I decided to test this theory!! So we had a talk with the ladies over the weekend and asked.........do guys with longer and thicker peckers have the size advantage? They just laughed at us and replied.....No....it isn't the size, it's the skills in the sack. Case closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GN_FDU Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 I decided to test this theory!! So we had a talk with the ladies over the weekend and asked.........do guys with longer and thicker peckers have the size advantage? They just laughed at us and replied.....No....it isn't the size' date=' it's the skills in the sack. Case closed.[/quote'] Lol. Well, ****. We should chop off Jones limbs to make it fair and give the other LHWs a chance because they sure as hell don't have a chance against a healthy Jon Jones who has all his God given limbs and talent. I hate when fighters with such a huge reach disadvantage lose to taller fighters. JDS would be champion now if he hadn't lost to Stefan Struve. We all know size > skill. Hence why JDS has a loss against Struve. Damn you Struve!! /sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thisiswar Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 OoOoO OP why must you talk about Jones length :eek::eek::eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 So let me get this straight. You're saying he is huge for his weight class and it has nothing to do with his reach. And he makes weight every fight. So what's the problem? I never said it had nothing to do with his reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor_Obviously Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 So funny watching people cry over something that can never be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 So funny watching people cry over something that can never be changed. He shouldn't have ran into the pole in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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