BruteDion Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 A few simple questions I got ppl 1.if your religious leader of the highest order/modern day holy man (pope,ect) declared holy war against a rival religion in the name of your god would u support it? 2. Same as question number one...but this time he asks your to join and kill in your gods name would u do it? 3.same as question number one...but this time its not a rival religion but in fact he asks you to fight against the ppl of your current nation (I.e the pope wishes to wage war against the usa) Now **** like this I think would not happen today in modern nations cuz well most don't have an army lol bit they did happen in the past and now your leader wants a call to arms...so I'm asking this to see how dedicated ppl are to thier religions now as compared to then Discuss thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGOAT Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 A few simple questions I got ppl 1.if your religious leader of the highest order/modern day holy man (pope' date='ect) declared holy war against a rival religion in the name of your god would u support it? 2. Same as question number one...but this time he asks your to join and kill in your gods name would u do it? 3.same as question number one...but this time its not a rival religion but in fact he asks you to fight against the ppl of your current nation (I.e the pope wishes to wage war against the usa) Now **** like this I think would not happen today in modern nations cuz well most don't have an army lol bit they did happen in the past and now your leader wants a call to arms...so I'm asking this to see how dedicated ppl are to thier religions now as compared to then Discuss thanks[/quote'] No. I always thought if there was an anti-Christ, I'd be someone no one would expect, like a pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted August 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 No. I always thought if there was an anti-Christ' date=' I'd be someone no one would expect, like a pope.[/quote'] Many think this would be since it does say something bout a religious leader being corrupted near the end of the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximumBob Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 A few simple questions I got ppl 1.if your religious leader of the highest order/modern day holy man (pope' date='ect) declared holy war against a rival religion in the name of your god would u support it? 2. Same as question number one...but this time he asks your to join and kill in your gods name would u do it? 3.same as question number one...but this time its not a rival religion but in fact he asks you to fight against the ppl of your current nation (I.e the pope wishes to wage war against the usa) Now **** like this I think would not happen today in modern nations cuz well most don't have an army lol bit they did happen in the past and now your leader wants a call to arms...so I'm asking this to see how dedicated ppl are to thier religions now as compared to then Discuss thanks[/quote'] Lol, good luck with this one tate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted August 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Lol' date=' good luck with this one tate.[/quote'] Lol what u mean...I just wanna know...we support wars all the time for lesser reasons them religious belief...so i wanna know who would do it **** I could ask ....what if your god asked you to go to war against another religion,or your nation Religion is ment to be the most important aspect of your life right(not aimed at you)...so why not if your support war for other reasons right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells_Bartender Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 A few simple questions I got ppl 1.if your religious leader of the highest order/modern day holy man (pope' date='ect) declared holy war against a rival religion in the name of your god would u support it? 2. Same as question number one...but this time he asks your to join and kill in your gods name would u do it? 3.same as question number one...but this time its not a rival religion but in fact he asks you to fight against the ppl of your current nation (I.e the pope wishes to wage war against the usa) Now **** like this I think would not happen today in modern nations cuz well most don't have an army lol bit they did happen in the past and now your leader wants a call to arms...so I'm asking this to see how dedicated ppl are to thier religions now as compared to then Discuss thanks[/quote'] I'm Atheist. But religion is pretty much responsible for all wars so it's not impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 A few simple questions I got ppl 1.if your religious leader of the highest order/modern day holy man (pope' date='ect) declared holy war against a rival religion in the name of your god would u support it? 2. Same as question number one...but this time he asks your to join and kill in your gods name would u do it? 3.same as question number one...but this time its not a rival religion but in fact he asks you to fight against the ppl of your current nation (I.e the pope wishes to wage war against the usa) Now **** like this I think would not happen today in modern nations cuz well most don't have an army lol bit they did happen in the past and now your leader wants a call to arms...so I'm asking this to see how dedicated ppl are to thier religions now as compared to then Discuss thanks[/quote'] Couldn't you have posed this question in Wire's thread? but to answer your question im agnostic but i'd still be against this line of thinking. I'm Atheist. But religion is pretty much responsible for all wars so it's not impossible. War's greatest motive is seeking more power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 I'm Atheist. But religion is pretty much responsible for all wars so it's not impossible. I disagree. Although there have been wars waged due to religion, there have also been wars waged because of nationality, greed/money, political ideologies, territories, and natural resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aletheia Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 I disagree. Although there have been wars waged due to religion' date=' there have also been wars waged because of nationality, greed/money, political ideologies, territories, and natural resources.[/quote'] This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted August 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 I disagree. Although there have been wars waged due to religion' date=' there have also been wars waged because of nationality, greed/money, political ideologies, territories, and natural resources.[/quote'] Agreed...you fought didn't you...and I'm sure it was less then or on par with religious motives So would u fight again of your religious leader asked u Couldn't you have posed this question in Wire's thread? but to answer your question im agnostic but i'd still be against this line of thinking. War's greatest motive is seeking more power. Nope cuz it to sway the topic...his thread was awesome in the beginning...I hope it goes back to the starting topic and my questions would not help I'm Atheist. But religion is pretty much responsible for all wars so it's not impossible. Let's not take it on thay direction...even if that was true...I'm not asking were they all started for that reason...I'm asking if one did would believers support it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximumBob Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 A few simple questions I got ppl 1.if your religious leader of the highest order/modern day holy man (pope' date='ect) declared holy war against a rival religion in the name of your god would u support it? 2. Same as question number one...but this time he asks your to join and kill in your gods name would u do it? 3.same as question number one...but this time its not a rival religion but in fact he asks you to fight against the ppl of your current nation (I.e the pope wishes to wage war against the usa) Now **** like this I think would not happen today in modern nations cuz well most don't have an army lol bit they did happen in the past and now your leader wants a call to arms...so I'm asking this to see how dedicated ppl are to thier religions now as compared to then Discuss thanks[/quote'] I wonder what Bin Ladens answer`s would have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted August 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 I wonder what Bin Ladens answer`s would have been. Yes,yes, and maybe....maybe is to 3 because I don't remember him killing any of his ppl (did he...anyone know?) Some ppl (let's not pretend its a huge percent of them) in the middle east are willing to do this for thier beliefs...it kinda admirable if your ask me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells_Bartender Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Yes' date='yes, and maybe....maybe is to 3 because I don't remember him killing any of his ppl (did he...anyone know?) Some ppl (let's not pretend its a huge percent of them) in the middle east are willing to do this for thier beliefs...it kinda admirable if your ask me[/quote'] Mental if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casino16 Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 A few simple questions I got ppl 1.if your religious leader of the highest order/modern day holy man (pope' date='ect) declared holy war against a rival religion in the name of your god would u support it? [b']lol[/b] 2. Same as question number one...but this time he asks your to join and kill in your gods name would u do it? lol 3.same as question number one...but this time its not a rival religion but in fact he asks you to fight against the ppl of your current nation (I.e the pope wishes to wage war against the usa) lol Now **** like this I think would not happen today in modern nations cuz well most don't have an army lol bit they did happen in the past and now your leader wants a call to arms...so I'm asking this to see how dedicated ppl are to thier religions now as compared to then Discuss thanks i think in modern time this only applies to muslims because there are false priests who tell them to go and kill for their country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted August 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Mental if you ask me. That's true but then again is there anything u don't do that ur passionate about that does not qualify you as mental ? I love football(America) and have played it for years...I have broken my body so much and will have a shorter life because of it...even knowing this I would gladly strap on the pads and play anytime asked....would that not make me mental for a game that means little to the overall things in life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casino16 Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Yes' date='yes, and maybe....maybe is to 3 because I don't remember him killing any of his ppl (did he...anyone know?) Some ppl (let's not pretend its a huge percent of them) in the middle east are willing to do this for thier beliefs...it kinda [b']retarded[/b] if your ask me fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted August 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 i think in modern time this only applies to muslims because there are false priests who tell them to go and kill for their country Yes they have shown that they as a whole are more willing then let's say hindu ppl But thats not my point...if ur a believer at all in any faith I'm asking if you would If you love science and tom cruise asked you to go shot a person would u?:D;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells_Bartender Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 That's true but then again is there anything u don't do that ur passionate about that does not qualify you as mental ? I love football(America) and have played it for years...I have broken my body so much and will have a shorter life because of it...even knowing this I would gladly strap on the pads and play anytime asked....would that not make me mental for a game that means little to the overall things in life? Comparing playing a sport you love and enjoy to killing others because of their beliefs is quite insane also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casino16 Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Yes they have shown that they as a whole are more willing then let's say hindu ppl But thats not my point...if ur a believer at all in any faith I'm asking if you would If you love science and tom cruise asked you to go shot a person would u?:D;) well if u actually know a faith u would understand that a priest can never order you to fight for anything. only those who dont understand thei religion believe it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted August 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Comparing playing a sport you love and enjoy to killing others because of their beliefs is quite insane also. Yep...but you would say that because its a religion something we should hold higher then anything else makes more worthy of Passion I'm not gearing this to you alone but as I said we as a nation have killed for things far less then religion...so I'm just entertaining the idea that of someone is pro war for other things would u be pro war for religion, most of all when all the other pro war reasons are less then that of religion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells_Bartender Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Yep...but you would say that because its a religion something we should hold higher then anything else makes more worthy of Passion I'm not gearing this to you alone but as I said we as a nation have killed for things far less then religion...so I'm just entertaining the idea that of someone is pro war for other things would u be pro war for religion' date=' most of all when all the other pro war reasons are less then that of religion[/quote'] Personally, I wouldn't go to war for religion because of my beliefs. But I would go to war for other causes I didn't believe in I.E. Falklands. But that's just me. I think the majority of military personal would think differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted August 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 well if u actually know a faith u would understand that a priest can never order you to fight for anything. only those who dont understand thei religion believe it Where does it say a faith (any faith not just urs) can not declare a holy war?...I was not aware the rules changed or didn't apply to Muslims or the verse tribes around the world(not attacking them there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted August 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Personally' date=' I wouldn't go to war for religion because of my beliefs. But I would go to war for other causes I didn't believe in I.E. Falklands. But that's just me. I think the majority of military personal would think differently.[/quote'] Falklands?...please enlighten me on this subject for I know not what u mean And ok thank you...I didn't really expect an athist point of view on this but thanks anyways If you feel like typing it could u list me other reasons u would support a war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells_Bartender Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Falklands?...please enlighten me on this subject for I know not what u mean And ok thank you...I didn't really expect an athist point of view on this but thanks anyways If you feel like typing it could u list me other reasons u would support a war? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War Just a link to the Wiki page. Was a war between the UK and Argentina in the 80's. Looked like we might have been going back earlier in the year also. Things like helping other people out e.g. Iraq. War on terror. This WMD thing - not too sure about them. Ending civil wars which endanger civilians - Even Religious bast wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximumBob Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 BruteDion, surely religion is about love, compassion, understanding and kindness. Why would you associate war`s, killing, murder, suffering and misery with religion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted August 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War Just a link to the Wiki page. Was a war between the UK and Argentina in the 80's. Looked like we might have been going back earlier in the year also. Things like helping other people out e.g. Iraq. War on terror. This WMD thing - not too sure about them. Ending civil wars which endanger civilians - Even Religious bast wars. Ok I can understand that war from both sides...stuff like that are just doomed to happen when one nation says "this land is mine" when its outside it normal boarders All those other reasons are good aswell in terms of war...only one thay is effy is the ending civil wars one...some civil wars are wanted by bothsides...and even is civilians die sometimes they wanted that war...it would be smart to know the politic behind a war first if its not involving us at first...if usa,UK,France jumps in to soon it could be seen as favoring one side to easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted August 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 BruteDion' date=' surely religion is about love, compassion, understanding and kindness. Why would you associate war`s, killing, murder, suffering and misery with religion....[/quote'] I see what u did there MaximumBob, surely u know I'm only speaking in hypothetical situations here It's.funny how few ppl are answering my questions who are believers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximumBob Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 I see what u did there MaximumBob' date=' surely u know I'm only speaking in hypothetical situations here It's.funny how few ppl are answering my questions who are believers[/quote'] Lol, ok, i`ll answer your question.. Speaking as some one who see`s truth in Zen Buddhism ( seriously ) and as a former practising Medium within the Spiritualist Church, i can say that, never would i kill or go to war in the name of religion or at the behest of ANY spiritual leader`s, what-ever their faith, or motive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Agreed...you fought didn't you...and I'm sure it was less then or on par with religious motives So would u fight again of your religious leader asked u No, I wouldn't. I don't have a religious leader being an atheist. Also, I never supported the war in Iraq or Afghanistan but my choice was "go to war or go to jail." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casino16 Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 I see what u did there MaximumBob' date=' surely u know I'm only speaking in hypothetical situations here It's.funny how few ppl are answering my questions who are believers[/quote'] well its because ur question is stupid that would be like saying "how many atheists would go suck a **** if another atheist told them to" it doesnt make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAMaster_Debater Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 Inquiring minds want to know: WWABD What Would Alan Belcher Do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 The highest religious leader in my faith is Christ. Any human on this earth in a position of authority within the confines of my church is as capable to flaw as any other person. I would never enter into a holy war of any kind against anyone. That was never Christ's message, and I firmly believe there has been enough evil slaughterings in the name of my lord by people who clearly didn't understand the word of my savior. Short of Devine interaction, I would never take a life or condone violence for spiritual purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmafan73 Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 I'm Atheist. But religion is pretty much responsible for all wars so it's not impossible. lol:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wirerat Posted August 22, 2012 Report Share Posted August 22, 2012 1.if your religious leader of the highest order/modern day holy man (pope,ect) declared holy war against a rival religion in the name of your god would u support it? Absolutely not, it goes against the teachings of my religions, and attempting to promote such an act is not a motive of my religion therefore the leader would be acting outside of his religious beliefs. 2. Same as question number one...but this time he asks your to join and kill in your gods name would u do it? Absolutely not, see above answer. 3.same as question number one...but this time its not a rival religion but in fact he asks you to fight against the ppl of your current nation (I.e the pope wishes to wage war against the usa) Once again, my religion does not promote such thing so it would be against my religion to participate is such activities because they are absolutely not an action condoned by my religion. People don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that just because someone is invoking the name of their religion in their actions doesn't mean it's a function of that said religion or condoned by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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