ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I think Vitor has a slim chance at best to beat Jon Jones. HOWEVER, imho Vitor has to mix finesse footwork a la Machida and his ferocious Mike Tyson close range boxing to KO Jones like Vitor KO'ed Franklin. Vitor also needs to learn how to negate the wrestling takedowns of Jones and mix it up with dirty boxing and dirty Thai clinch boxing with clinch knees and elbows( Vitor has to make it a dirty boxing fight in close ) a la Randy Couture. Vitor's keys to winning: 1.Use finesse footwork, i.e., later footwork movement with a wide karate stance to be out of Jones range as much as possible 2. Counter Jones's strike attempts by closing the distance at the right moment and use aggressive in-close boxing skills. 3. Counter Jones's Takedowns with dirty clinch boxing and dirty Muay Thai clinch boxing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Wesley_of_Wells Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 1. Avoid the front kick. 2. To the face. 3. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GN_FDU Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 You're asking Vitor to do what isn't Vitor except for the boxing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 He'll charge in and get caught by an elbow or get taken down and beat up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 You're asking Vitor to do what isn't Vitor except for the boxing. I don't think so. Vitor has said in past interviews that his skillset is diverse, including boxing, shotokan karate, bjj, and wrestling, and I've seen him TKO a fighter in the UFC with a jumping Muay Thai knee. I think Vitor can modify his boxing style by making it slightly more lateral, more shotokan like fighting stance but still keep his base of boxing skills, keep his guard up to parry or block head kicks, find the right moment to counter after parrying or blocking or side stepping Jones's kick attempts or spinning elbows or spinning kicks, cancel out Jones's takedowns with dirty boxing and Thai boxing, uppercut, hook punch in close, elbow or knee in close depending on position, etc., and Vitor could find a TKO or KO somewhere in the close range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_pumphrey Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 speed is the key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerrTime Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Someones been hitting the buffet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 speed is the key I agree 100% speed kills the flashy and unorthodox spinning elbows, kicks, etc., but Vitor has to combine speed with timing at the right time of his attack or counterattack on Jones. Vitor has to fight with the quickness of a tiger and deceptiveness of a crane, and both of these skills combined on a gazelle, that is Jon Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma_Machine Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 in a pure striking match vitor stands a slim chance. in a mma match vitor stands no chance. hope jones gets hit with a phantom punch though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot12815 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 vitor does have good knees remember marvin eastman... ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot12815 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 in a pure striking match vitor stands a slim chance.in a mma match vitor stands no chance. hope jones gets hit with a phantom punch though. to say vitor stands no chance striking with anybody is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberSlayer Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 to say vitor stands no chance striking with anybody is laughable. He'll ban you for back talking.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 JBJ is going to throw Vitor around like a rag doll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 JBJ is going to throw Vitor around like a rag doll Not if Vitor is uppercut punching him or throwing hooks at him in the pocket. JBJ won't be throwing Vitor around like a rag doll if JBJ is getting punched with the power punches of Vitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Not if Vitor is uppercut punching him or throwing hooks at him in the pocket. JBJ won't be throwing Vitor around like a rag doll if JBJ is getting punched with the power punches of Vitor. 10.5 inch reach advantage for bones... Yeah he will be throwing Vitor around picking him apart and elbowing him till he gives up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma_Machine Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 to say vitor stands no chance striking with anybody is laughable. Luckily I didn't say Vitor stands no chance striking with anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 10.5 inch reach advantage for bones... Yeah he will be throwing Vitor around picking him apart and elbowing him till he gives up I'm sure that in the pocket, Vitor will be ready for anything Jones will throw at him. Plus, I'm sure Vitor will be going to the body, chin, jaw, and ribs in combination and in a speedy flurry like the old Vitor boxed. I wouldn't write Vitor off; he stood and traded and wrestled against Prime Tito Ortiz for all the rounds, and many people thought Vitor won that fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted August 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 10.5 inch reach advantage for bones... Yeah he will be throwing Vitor around picking him apart and elbowing him till he gives up Vitor is as good as Machida at closing the distance and landing a flurry of strikes, so no, Jones will not be throwing Vitor around or elbowing Vitor. Oh, and yeah Vitor is a better boxer than Dan Henderson, so this is actually a tougher fight for JBJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Vitor is as good as Machida at closing the distance and landing a flurry of strikes' date=' so no, Jones will not be throwing Vitor around or elbowing Vitor. Oh, and yeah Vitor is a better boxer than Dan Henderson, so this is actually a tougher fight for JBJ.[/quote'] If you think Vitor posses any serious threat for JBJ besides a lucky punch then you sir have drank the koolade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbaricBob Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Machida and Rashad both clipped Jones. If Belfort can just catch him once, he will blitz him like no other. Belfort's style makes this fight interesting to me. Jones will likely win by Sub or late TKO. But to count Belfort out is just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pessimist_Pete Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I think Vitor has a slim chance at best to beat Jon Jones. HOWEVER' date=' imho Vitor has to mix finesse footwork a la Machida and his ferocious Mike Tyson close range boxing to KO Jones like Vitor KO'ed Franklin. Vitor also needs to learn how to negate the wrestling takedowns of Jones and mix it up with dirty boxing and dirty Thai clinch boxing with clinch knees and elbows( Vitor has to make it a dirty boxing fight in close ) a la Randy Couture. Vitor's keys to winning: 1.Use finesse footwork, i.e., later footwork movement with a wide karate stance to be out of Jones range as much as possible 2. Counter Jones's strike attempts by closing the distance at the right moment and use aggressive in-close boxing skills. 3. Counter Jones's Takedowns with dirty clinch boxing and dirty Muay Thai clinch boxing.[/quote'] Translation = Vitor can beat Jones by beating him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetatronBJJ Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 JBJ is going to throw Vitor around like a rag doll This^^ Vitor has a punchers chance. If you think he will be a tough match up for Jones or beat him up, you're crazy or trolling. Just like any professional fighter he could catch Jones with something but Jones is way too big and way too athletic. If Vitor wants to rush in, Jones will either clinch and throw him or use a double leg or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted August 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 This^^ Vitor has a punchers chance. If you think he will be a tough match up for Jones or beat him up' date=' you're crazy or trolling. Just like any professional fighter he could catch Jones with something but Jones is way too big and way too athletic. If Vitor wants to rush in, Jones will either clinch and throw him or use a double leg or something.[/quote'] That's why Vitor has to finesse his way in with lateral movement and confusing angles, and as soon as Vitor is inside, then Vitor has to rush in and hit him in the ribs, chin, and jaw and once JBJ is stunned, Vitor has to keep hitting him nonstop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 That's why Vitor has to finesse his way in with lateral movement and confusing angles' date=' and as soon as Vitor is inside, then Vitor has to rush in and hit him in the ribs, chin, and jaw and once JBJ is stunned, Vitor has to keep hitting him nonstop.[/quote'] Sorry your idea sounds so dumb please just stop repeating that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StocktonStrangler420 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Keys to victory. 1. Land a flush left hand on Jones chin 2. Follow his half conscious *** to the ground and legally cave the back of his head in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Peoples idea of how Vitor will win this fight... 1. Do what 4 former champions and actual LHWs couldn't do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunchBag Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Vitor winning this fight by KO and becoming the LHW champ would be the greatest UFC event i have ever witnessed saying that vitor isnt an actual LHW? he was a UFC LHW champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madvillain8 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Fat chance Jones decides to stand with Vitor, you can bet the house he shoots on him right out the gate. Jones won't be able to match Vitors speed that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Fat chance Jones decides to stand with Vitor' date=' you can bet the house he shoots on him right out the gate. Jones won't be able to match Vitors speed that's for sure.[/quote'] Stood with Lyoto and Shogun... He will be just fine standing with Vitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted August 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Sorry your idea sounds so dumb please just stop repeating that Dude, it's the quality of the idea( the content of a valid argument ), not your biased GSP and JBJ hugging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Dude' date=' it's the quality of the idea( the content of a valid argument ), not your biased GSP and JBJ hugging.[/quote'] Your idea has no quality your idea is for Vitor a MW for the past 5 years to do what 4 former champions and actually current LHWs couldn't. There is a reason Vitor is +700 on the betting lines because he has no serious chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madvillain8 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Stood with Lyoto and Shogun... He will be just fine standing with Vitor Sorry I don't have any food for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Jon Jones will stand with Vitor. He will beat Vitor standing after he batters him in the stand up he will take him down and finish him off. Thats how it will work out remember it people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted August 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Jon Jones will stand with Vitor. He will beat Vitor standing after he batters him in the stand up he will take him down and finish him off. Thats how it will work out remember it people. I beg to differ because Jones has never seen so much speed, which Vitor offers along with KO power. That's why JBJ will be upset on 09-22-12, end of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I beg to differ because Jones has never seen so much speed' date=' which Vitor offers along with KO power. That's why JBJ will be upset on 09-22-12, end of story.[/quote'] I feel then you would be fine with a sig bet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S6XStringz Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Kicks, kicks, and more kicks. Jones has skinny legs, and no one has really tried to kick them for an entire round, let alone 5. We need a Jose Aldo in the LHW division who can do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyran125 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I think Vitor has a slim chance at best to beat Jon Jones. HOWEVER' date=' imho Vitor has to mix finesse footwork a la Machida and his ferocious Mike Tyson close range boxing to KO Jones like Vitor KO'ed Franklin. Vitor also needs to learn how to negate the wrestling takedowns of Jones and mix it up with dirty boxing and dirty Thai clinch boxing with clinch knees and elbows( Vitor has to make it a dirty boxing fight in close ) a la Randy Couture. Vitor's keys to winning: 1.Use finesse footwork, i.e., later footwork movement with a wide karate stance to be out of Jones range as much as possible 2. Counter Jones's strike attempts by closing the distance at the right moment and use aggressive in-close boxing skills. 3. Counter Jones's Takedowns with dirty clinch boxing and dirty Muay Thai clinch boxing.[/quote'] if he uses finesse footwork tactics and counter tactics against Jones at all, hes going to get destroyed i reckon. Vitor has 1 chance and thats the first 2 minute hardcore flurry of hell and takedown. If it goes beyond the 2 minute mark, hes doomed. Counter punching against Jones is a massive mistake. Machida could probably use counter punching tactic against jones and have some success, but vitor would get destroyed being methodical. Vitors counter punching isnt devestating enough and good enough to impact Jones at all. His reach is just to long and i think hes a more skilled striker than Vitor. Plus Jones is huge. hes big, smart and has lethal reach. most of Vitors wins is in the 1st 2 minutes. Im not sure if sitting back waiting for counters and usign footwork unless your in Machidas league will be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma_Machine Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 To be honest, I don't think Jones can brawl. At all. He's far too comfortable keeping people at range or controlling them against the cage or on the ground. The problem is, going after him will allow him to clinch up and get you down. So it's next to impossible to get into a brawl with him. I really think the only guy that could do it besides a heavyweight is Rampage, but he was so cautious when they fought, like he was so scared of the takedown that he refused to leave himself vulnerable by throwing his hands... and he's looked like trash since. It would be much easier to brawl with Jones if it were a pure standup fight, but unfortunately it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Is he can land he can win he was taken down by AJ twice though so thats my biggest concern for Vitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted August 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 You all forget that even Rashad who is not the best boxer stood back at a distance for the most part for 5 rounds with Jones, and Rashad survived :confused:, so why would'nt Vitor be able to kickbox with Jones, and then Vitor counterattack with a fast, flurry of punches and strikes to KO or TKO Jones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 vitor can kickbox of jones but Jones will have none of it he will take him down when he sees the opportunity to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted August 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Vitor has to be careful in the middle distance of boxing because Jon Jones likes to wing chun by holding on to his opponent's hand or arm and elbowing his opponent with the non- holding hand, as Jones did to Rashad in their fight other than not letting Jones half tie him up, Vitor can box and dirty box Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma_Machine Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 To be honest' date=' I don't think Jones can brawl. At all. He's far too comfortable keeping people at range or controlling them against the cage or on the ground. The problem is, going after him will allow him to clinch up and get you down. So it's next to impossible to get into a brawl with him. I really think the only guy that could do it besides a heavyweight is Rampage, but he was so cautious when they fought, like he was so scared of the takedown that he refused to leave himself vulnerable by throwing his hands... and he's looked like trash since. It would be much easier to brawl with Jones if it were a pure standup fight, but unfortunately it's not.[/quote'] what are your thoughts on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 what are your thoughts on this? Jones's striking is completely based on his reach can't brawl for his life anyone that gets in distance gets taken down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted August 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Jones's striking is completely based on his reach can't brawl for his life anyone that gets in distance gets taken down That's why Vitor was smart to be coached by Rashad, so Rashad can teach Vitor to not get taken down by Jones's Greco Roman mixed with Judo like sweep takedowns, so by learning how to counter the takedown in close, Vitor will then box in close range with no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I like how since people are hating Jones right now more then ever people are actually being delusional, and tricking themselves into thinking Vitor can win with these game plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenWarrior1406052210 Posted August 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Vitor Belfort, the new LHW champion of 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
||LastManStanding|| Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I've counted Vitor out before. I thought AJ would tool him but Vitor looked fantastic in that fight. Jones is Jones I'm having a hard time believing Vitor will hurt him but it would be a sight for sore eyes if he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxeMurduh Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 You could have just said fight like Machida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexVegas Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 in a pure striking match vitor stands a slim chance.in a mma match vitor stands no chance. hope jones gets hit with a phantom punch though. In a purely striking match Vitor is the heavy favor........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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