megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 He got injured three weeks ago! Why should Jones be put on the choppoing block for another co worker's lack of professionalism? I have no doubt in my mind as of now that Sonnen was more prepared for this fight than people thought. http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/24/3265972/ufc-151-dan-hendersons-coach-reveals-cause-injury-mma-news EDIT: Brent I knew I had read it somewhere it was 3 weeks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Betw?en this, the ****** card, the top guys in the division declining the fight with Jones and the opponent they picked for him (that under this new evidence was more prepared than we all thought and was even trying to bait the champion into fighting an undeserving MW), I'm going on record saying Jones had no fault whatsoever in the cards cancellation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEmperor Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Of course he was. Look at Sonnen's timeline on twitter, and when he started the trash with Jones, thats exactly when Hendo got hurt. Its pretty easy to figure out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeahBuddy Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 He got injured three weeks ago! Why should Jones be put on the choppoing block for another co worker's lack of professionalism? I have no doubt in my mind as of now that Sonnen was more prepared for this fight than people thought. http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/24/3265972/ufc-151-dan-hendersons-coach-reveals-cause-injury-mma-news EDIT: Brent I knew I had read it somewhere it was 3 weeks... Yup saw that article he probably didn't tell the ufc while chael knew and pulled out of the match at last minute and had Chael be the only guy that would take it on 8 days notice when Chael probably knew for weeks. Why else did Chael randomly start calling Jones out 2 weeks ago? I still think Jones had the longer training camp and not taking the fight hurt the fans, fighters and the local economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesGunn Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Sonnen was still not in good enough shape + doing some FOX/ESPN stuff the past few weeks. What are you suggesting anyways? That Jones ducked Sonnen? Yes, he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MilesGunn Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 ^ewww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Yup saw that article he probably didn't tell the ufc while chael knew and pulled out of the match at last minute and had Chael be the only guy that would take it on 8 days notice when Chael probably knew for weeks. Why else did Chael randomly start calling Jones out 2 weeks ago? I still think Jones had the longer training camp and not taking the fight hurt the fans' date=' fighters and the local economy.[/quote'] Sonnen should never get a title shot Jardine is more deserving of a title shot than him in that division. He only got it beacuse Dana likes to hear Sonnen talk, he even said so in the conference call that they were putting this together beacuse of what Chael and Jones had said to each other on twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Sonnen was still not in good enough shape + doing some FOX/ESPN stuff the past few weeks. What are you suggesting anyways? That Jones ducked Sonnen? Yes' date=' he did. [img']http://oi47.tinypic.com/1pz2x1.jpg[/img] Who cares if Sonnen was in good shape or not? That's not the point... The point is, he got injured and didn't tell anyone up until the point where he knew he would get owned without a chance, why should Jones (who wouldn't even have his main coaches with him for this last week before the event), take that fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiousmat Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Sonnen should never get a title shot Jardine is deserving of a title shot than him in that division. He only got it beacuse Dana likes to hear Sonnen talk' date=' he even said so in the conference call that they were putting this together beacuse of what Chael and Jones had said to each other on twitter.[/quote'] Didn't listen to the whole call. Missed that part. Man thats sad.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rule_abiding_poster Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 LOL Stfu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesGunn Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Who cares if Sonnen was in good shape or not? That's not the point... The point is' date=' he got injured and didn't tell anyone up until the point where he knew he would get owned without a chance, why should Jones (who wouldn't even have his main coaches with him), take that fight?[/quote'] He tried to save the event and did everything he could to still fight, then the UFC doctors said no. Maybe the UFC docs should have checked that out as soon as it was anounced instead but all that still doesnt justify why Jones ducked everyone who wanted to fight him to safe an event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Didn't listen to the whole call. Missed that part. Man thats sad.... Makes it extra sad when you realise what Dana said when the Forrest vs Sonnen fight was announced: "He won't get a title shot by just running his mouth"... And people believe him on this issue why? He's clearly trying to find an escape goat for not putting together a good card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 He tried to save the event and did everything he could to still fight' date=' then the UFC doctors said no. Maybe the UFC docs should have checked that out as soon as it was anounced instead but all that still doesnt justify why Jones ducked everyone who wanted to fight him to safe an event.[/quote'] How could the UFC doctors check it out sooner if they didn't know about it? Machida and Shogun ducked him so they had to resort to Sonnen's mouth which the champ said "HELL NO!" Good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesGunn Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 How could the UFC doctors check it out sooner if they didn't know about it? Machida and Shogun ducked him so they had to resort to Sonnen's mouth which the champ said "HELL NO!" Good for him. He cannot pick opponents in such a messed up situation. Weidman offered as well and he should be higher ranked than any LHW except Hendo right now, but Jones stated he did not want to fight ANYBODY not even Machida or Shogun. Hard to understand? I don't blame Hendo at all, he did his best to fight & he would have fought, had the UFC not said no. Who the **** blames a warrior like that? Only retards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeahBuddy Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Sonnen should never get a title shot Jardine is deserving of a title shot than him in that division. He only got it beacuse Dana likes to hear Sonnen talk' date=' he even said so in the conference call that they were putting this together beacuse of what Chael and Jones had said to each other on twitter.[/quote'] I agree for the most part but he should not have said it was dangerous to prepare for Chael in 3 days he should have said Chael does not deserve a title shot by talking and say he would only take a legit contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 He cannot pick opponents in such a messed up situation. Weidman offered as well and he should be higher ranked than any LHW except Hendo right now' date=' but Jones stated he did not want to fight ANYBODY not even Machida or Shogun. Hard to understand?I don't blame Hendo at all, he did his best to fight & he would have fought, had the UFC not said no. Who the **** blames a guy like that? Only retards.[/quote'] It was his team who convinced him on not taking the fight, you clearly didn't read the article... He didn't pick opponents, they ducked him or at least the fighters that actually made any sense on this dimension for him to fight ducked him. Weidman? Who the hell is Weidman in the LHW division? It's Hendo's fault that the UFC didn't have a back up plan and it's the UFC's fault for not having a good card in case something bad happened. And no, in this reality a guy who isn't a LHW shouldn't get an immediate shot at that title it doesn't matter if it's Weidman or Sonnen. Vitor has fought before at LHW and was considering moving up that's why this fight although made out of desperation makes a lot more sense than Sonnen (who was coming off a loss). BTW, I would really like to see how they would market Weidman, at least Sonnen has the mouth Weidman has the skill but the UFC isn't interested in that and the fans are catching on... This is turning more and more into the WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtl Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Sonnen was still not in good enough shape + doing some FOX/ESPN stuff the past few weeks. What are you suggesting anyways? That Jones ducked Sonnen? Yes' date=' he did. [img']http://oi47.tinypic.com/1pz2x1.jpg[/img] lol too funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesGunn Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 It was his team who convinced him on not taking the fight' date=' you clearly didn't read the article... He didn't pick opponents, they ducked him or at least the fighters that actually made any sense on this dimension for him to fight ducked him.[/b'] Weidman? Who the hell is Weidman in the LHW division? It's Hendo's fault that the UFC didn't have a back up plan and it's the UFC's fault for not having a good card in case something bad happened. And no, in this reality a guy who isn't a LHW shouldn't get an immediate shot at that title it doesn't matter if it's Weidman or Sonnen. Vitor has fought before at LHW and was considering moving up that's why this fight although made out of desperation makes a lot more sense than Sonnen (who was coming off a loss). BTW, I would really like to see how they would market Weidman, at least Sonnen has the mouth Weidman has the skill but the UFC isn't interested in that and the fans are catching on... This is turning more and more into the WWE. I see you either didn't listen to the media call or are too blind to see the truth. No one made Jones do anything, he decided it on his own. There is obviously no point in discussing this whole topic with you. Believe what you want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I see you either didn't listen to the media call or are too blind to see the truth. No one made Jones do anything' date=' he decided it on his own. There is obviously no point in discussing this whole topic with you. Believe what you want to.[/quote'] I presented you all with facts about how, not only was Hendo hurt, he was also not desclosing his injury for 3 weeks which is more unprofessional than not taking a fight with eight days notice against a guy who's coming off a loss in another division, wouldn't you say? In the meantime Sonnen (who is his pupil), starts talking **** to Jones on twitter. Open your eyes! Dana and Sonnen played you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polymerase Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I presented you all with facts about how' date=' not only was Hendo hurt, he was also not desclosing his injury for 3 weeks which is more unprofessional than not taking a fight with eight days notice against a guy who's coming off a loss in another division, wouldn't you say? In the meantime Sonnen (who is his pupil), starts talking **** to Jones on twitter. Open your eyes! Dana and Sonnen played you all.[/quote'] Let's say all what you are saying and presented is correct. How does that change that Jones ducked Chael? Because he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Let's say all what you are saying and presented is correct. How does that change that Jones ducked Chael? Because he did. He did I agree and I'm totally fine with it, especially now that I know that Sonnen was seeing this coming from a mile away. I'm even ok with Machida and Shogun ducking Jones beacuse unlike that weasel Chael, they have something to lose in taking the fight on short notice and they're actually fighting in a division where it's very hard to string together a couple of wins if you're not Jon Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenAfro Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Caveman once again proving he is mentally handicapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Caveman once again proving he is mentally handicapped. You're the one who has amnesia beacuse if I recall correctly you shouldn't be here welcher... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Reported For being butthurt trying to derail a serious thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenAfro Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 You're the one who has amnesia beacuse if I recall correctly you shouldn't be here welcher... You know what's funny? That the guy I had the bet with, doesn't care. You are the only one that even brings it up, because you have zero e-ammo on me. Also do you not have spell check enabled on your browser? It might be something you should look into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rule_abiding_poster Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Reported For being butthurt trying to derail a serious thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 You know what's funny? That the guy I had the bet with' date=' doesn't care. You are the only one that even brings it up, because you have zero e-ammo on me. Also do you not have spell check enabled on your browser? It might be something you should look into.[/quote'] I don't care if he's ok with it or not... The fact is you're so addicted to this forum that even though you bet you could stay away from this forum, you really couldn't, you had to come back:D Is your life that miserable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Nice guys, trying to derail a thread when in all reality if it was JBJ doing this you would all be screaming bloody murder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eselockster Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Nah Jones fault, guys get injured all time but have never had to cancel an event, Jones pussied out on being a real fighter so its his fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Nah Jones fault' date=' guys get injured all time but have never had to cancel an event, Jones pussied out on being a real fighter so its his fault[/quote'] Hendo didn't tell the UFC he was injured so they didn't have a backup plan which led to this entire mess. Call Jones unprofessional or a ***** all you want, he wasn't the one who didn't disclose an injury and then at the last moment dropped out of the fight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenAfro Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I don't care if he's ok with it or not... The fact is you're so addicted to this forum that even though you bet you could stay away from this forum' date=' you really couldn't, you had to come back:D Is your life that miserable?[/quote'] LOL! You are probably some autistic 20-somthing loser that works at a grocery store You have been here shorter than me, but nearly have the same post count. Are you addicted to getting *** raped? Because that is what every member on this forum does to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 LOL! You are probably some autistic 20-somthing loser that works at a grocery store You have been here shorter than me' date=' but nearly have the same post count. Are you addicted to getting *** raped? Because that is what every member on this forum does to you.[/quote'] Describes himself to avoid ridicule^^* You're the one who said in a thread you "had to come back" like there wasn't anything else in your life other than this... If I ever make an account bet I wouldn't be coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eselockster Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Hendo didn't tell the UFC he was injured so they didn't have a backup plan which led to this entire mess. Call Jones unprofessional or a ***** all you want' date=' he wasn't the one who didn't disclose an injury and then at the last moment dropped out of the fight...[/quote'] Ufc has been able to replace fights on same situation and even shorter notice before, only difference this time is Jones wouldnt step up and be a real fighter, Jones selfishness, Jones scerd weak mind ruined the event Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Ufc has been able to replace fights on same situation and even shorter notice before' date=' only difference this time is Jones wouldnt step up and be a real fighter, Jones selfishness, Jones scerd weak mind ruined the event[/quote'] Wouldn't step up to fight a MW? Why should he? There's an entire division of people ahead of Sonnen if they didn't want to take the fight why are you blaming Jon? Why should he care about what a MW wants? He's not on his division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eselockster Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Wouldn't step up to fight a MW? Why should he? There's an entire division of people ahead of Sonnen if they didn't want to take the fight why are you blaming Jon? Why should he care about what a MW wants? He's not on his division. If Jones is 'so far above' all those people then y not take an easy win, easy paycheck, be a hero instead of the villain and do dw a favor? I'll tell u why its because he's mentally weak he needs 6-8 weeks of gameplans, strategies, and Jackson telling him he can do it, Jones isn't a real fighter built for this sport, he's an incredible athlete ill give u that but he's no fighter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 If Jones is 'so far above' all those people then y not take an easy win' date=' easy paycheck, be a hero instead of the villain and do dw a favor? I'll tell u why its because he's mentally weak he needs 6-8 weeks of gameplans, strategies, and Jackson telling him he can do it, Jones isn't a real fighter built for this sport, he's an incredible athlete ill give u that but he's no fighter[/quote'] I've seen another poster say this, but I'm going to use it... Wouldn't you hear what your coach has to say? You know? The guy that made you a millionaire, the number 2 P4P in MMA right now, the youngest champ in UFC history and the guy who beat 4 champs in a row with ease? I now I would. Jones would be getting some hate from me and a couple of other posters if he ducked Machida or Shogun but he didn't and he did the right thing beacuse Sonnen didn't deserve it. He did nothing wrong, He isn't a villian he is being made into one, by a greedy business man who doesn't realise that this scam of one good fight in a card is already starting to stink. Dana calling Greg a sport killer is hilarious since Greg has had at least two of the biggest UFC draws coming out of his camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eselockster Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I've seen another poster say this' date=' but I'm going to use it... Wouldn't you hear what your coach has to say? You know? The guy that made you a millionaire, the number 2 P4P in MMA right now, the youngest champ in UFC history and the guy who beat 4 champs in a row with ease? I now I would. Jones would be getting some hate from me and a couple of other posters if he ducked Machida or Shogun but he didn't and he did the right thing beacuse Sonnen didn't deserve it. He did nothing wrong,[/quote'] His coach was protecting his fighters record, Jones potentially losing is bad for Jacksons too, coach must not be very confident in his fighter, if Ur truly the p4p then taking out a mw scrub shouldnt be a problem or else Wtf does p4p mean? Even if u don't think he did anything wrong u can't argue Jones lack of heart, will and fighting spirit, and In the end that's Wat everybody is or should be pissed about, your supposed 'all time great' can't find the balls to smash an out of shape mw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 His coach was protecting his fighters record' date=' Jones potentially losing is bad for Jacksons too, coach must not be very confident in his fighter, if Ur truly the p4p then taking out a mw scrub shouldnt be a problem or else Wtf does p4p mean? Even if u don't think he did anything wrong u can't argue Jones lack of heart, will and fighting spirit, and In the end that's Wat everybody is or should be pissed about, your supposed 'all time great' can't find the balls to smash an out of shape mw[/quote'] He was being put in a lose-lose situation with Sonnen I can understand Jackson's concerns, a champion shouldn't be the one who's put on a lose-lose position especially with a contender like Sonnen and JBJ and Jackson said they had no idea the card would get cancelled and I believe them on this one. Dana lies a lot more than those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePack19 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 He got injured three weeks ago! Why should Jones be put on the choppoing block for another co worker's lack of professionalism? I have no doubt in my mind as of now that Sonnen was more prepared for this fight than people thought. http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/24/3265972/ufc-151-dan-hendersons-coach-reveals-cause-injury-mma-news EDIT: Brent I knew I had read it somewhere it was 3 weeks... I am with ya on this. As I said before, I like Jones as a fighter....thats it. His personality could use some work but the fella is still young and prideful. The hate is so strong it is almost impossible to sway them, damage has been done and they will continue to hate for as long as they please. Everyone makes mistakes and stupid choices in their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 I am with ya on this. As I said before' date=' I like Jones as a fighter....thats it. His personality could use some work but the fella is still young and prideful. The hate is so strong it is almost impossible to sway them, damage has been done and they will continue to hate for as long as they please. Everyone makes mistakes and stupid choices in their lives.[/quote'] It's just beacuse it's JBJ... Where are the 50 threads about Shogun and Machida being cowards for not accepting a fight with Jones? (I don't personally believe they are beacuse has I said before, unlike Chael they have somethig to lose). They could've saved the event, I'm not seeing Jones backing out of a fight with Machida I could still understand if he did/why he did it, but I would not support it. I do support him backing out/ducking Sonnen he's not worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nuffsaid Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 If Jones is 'so far above' all those people then y not take an easy win' date=' easy paycheck, be a hero instead of the villain and do dw a favor? I'll tell u why its because he's mentally weak he needs 6-8 weeks of gameplans, strategies, and Jackson telling him he can do it, Jones isn't a real fighter built for this sport, he's an incredible athlete ill give u that but he's no fighter[/quote'] Finally someone with some common sense. Jones claims to be the best LHW.... Yet he doesn't want to step up and fight a MW? A real fighter and true champion would step up and fight anyone, anytime (Chuck Liddell). Not only because they are champion, but because they believe they are the best. Clearly Jones doesn't totally believe in himself. The UFC has turned into a complete circus over the last couple of years. The only reason why 151 was cancelled is because Dana is mad at Jones for not taking a fight, and now he's trying to punish him by cancelling the entire card as well as putting all the blame on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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