Jbrahams Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/28/3275444/ufc-151-rashad-evans-jon-jones-sonnen-mma-news "You have a tremendous responsibility as the champion. You are the champion of the UFC. Not only that, you became champion of the UFC through circumstances like this. You had the opportunity to fight for someone that was injured. He stepped into a fight, after I got hurt, so he stepped in for me to fight Shogun. So, he was rewarded by the very process of somebody stepping in to take a fight. So, he owed it to the UFC to take the fight. Not only that, he owed it to all the other fighters on this card who are going to be missing paydays because of that. And lets not talk about how the UFC has done so much to make him the face of the UFC. They sponsored him. Everything he's gotten is because of the UFC, the whole Nike endorsement and everything else like that, has all been because of the UFC. When he got in trouble a few months back, it was the UFC who stood behind him and kind of made it go away relatively quickly. So, for him to turn his back on the UFC is very hard to believe, for one, but it's just disappointing. I'm sure one day, when he has the time to understand the ramifications of his decision, he's is gonna think, 'Wow. What did I really do?'" he makes some good points about how when he was suffering from the DUI and everything, they fully stood behind him, they sponsored him and promoted him which lead to the NIKE sponorship and Jones just shrugs them off Don't mean to add to the thousands of threads about Jones but didn't see anyone post this (sorry if re post) and Rashad made some good points that some of us (including me) missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 I actually just read this. He definitely makes good points. I like how he pointed out the fact Jones got a title shot on short notice and the fact UFC has been helping him so much. I'm disappointed he didn't take the fight. I honestly don't blame him for the cancellation the UFC card though. I think Ellenberger and Hieron could have been main event and Siver vs Yagin would have been a sick co main event. I kinda feel it is a slap in the face to Ellenberger who has headlined a few cards now and has produced great fights with them. It would have been like a Fight Night, but we've seen Fight Nights deliver haven't we? I blame Dana White and UFC, but just my opinion which I will be bashed for of course by many. Back on Jones though, he should have taken into consideration that UFC has helped him and he could have been like "Okay its my turn to help them" you kno? Had he known the entire event would be cancelled, I still think he would have turned it down, which is still disappointing. But I like what Rashad had to say here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAMMA Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Rashad knows whats up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 ^^haha that is true. I actually forgot about that situation as a lot of people probably have too with Jones accepting to fight a teammate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbrahams Posted August 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 I actually just read this. He definitely makes good points. I like how he pointed out the fact Jones got a title shot on short notice and the fact UFC has been helping him so much. I'm disappointed he didn't take the fight. I honestly don't blame him for the cancellation the UFC card though. I think Ellenberger and Hieron could have been main event and Siver vs Yagin would have been a sick co main event. I kinda feel it is a slap in the face to Ellenberger who has headlined a few cards now and has produced great fights with them. It would have been like a Fight Night' date=' but we've seen Fight Nights deliver haven't we? I blame Dana White and UFC, but just my opinion which I will be bashed for of course by many. Back on Jones though, he should have taken into consideration that UFC has helped him and he could have been like "Okay its my turn to help them" you kno? Had he known the entire event would be cancelled, I still think he would have turned it down, which is still disappointing. But I like what Rashad had to say here.[/quote'] yeah I was really looking forward to some of the fights on the card, sure it would have gotten horrible buyrates but the UFC still would have made money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_Lynch Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Didn't Shogun have about 2 weeks to prepare for Jones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Didn't Shogun have about 2 weeks to prepare for Jones? He had over a month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyKruger Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Unless Shogun took that fight with as little notice as Jones would have had, i.e. 8 days, the argument that Jones benefited from a similar arrangement is an erroneous one. You simply cannot compare the two situations. I completely understand the frustration being levelled at Jones/Jackson, because I shared that frustration. But upon reflection, I can't say that I would have done any different to Jones/Jakcson, all things considered. Rashad is hardly an unbiased party either. The quicker that people realise that the cancellation of the fight and the cancellation of the event are two completely separate issues, with two completely separate parties being responsible, the better. Jones/Jackson are absolutely responsible for their decision not to take the fight, but the decision was made on entirely fair and reasonable, though cautious grounds. But they cannot be blamed for Hendo being injured for three weeks and telling nobody about it....Its purely circumstancial, and given the specific circumstances, Jones cannot be penalised for making a call that he should be entirely entitled to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaksame Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 It does not matter about the big picture,Jones responsibility is to himself first.NOBODY including Dana would come to Jones aid if he had taken that fight and lost. Then the entire division would be disrespected because Chael would be holding a belt that he never deserved. This would set a precedence that whenever there is an injury to a title fighter,ANYONE can step in and get a belt.So what if Dana couldn't get Chael?Then what he calls Forrest griffin and expects Jones and the fans to accept that as well,where do you cross the line? I want to know that the champions EARNED their way there and deserve to be champions.No way what so ever,did Chael deserve that title shot,he has not even fought a fight yet at 205. So since Cheal did not deserve it,DANA let the UFC down and the fans down and Jones down. He should have had 2 legit 205 contenders READY to step in case of injury,but he didn't even take the time in months to call a single fighter. You can't get anymore lazy than that Mr.White,even the obvious Machida was an AFTER thought and of course turned Dana down because it was just far too short notice. Show some respect to the sport White and to the fighters,show some proper preparation and none of this would happen.NO i do not care 1% that you have Chael willing to step in,as a fan i WANT LEGIT title fights ,not your last minute garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengu Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Hashad is right on this, the UFC could of had easily gave him crap for the DUI, but they helped him out. Now he turns his back on the people that helped him...it's going to be interesting that if Jones does another stupid mistake; wonder how the UFC will treat him this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonesyUK Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Zaksame talking rubbish as usual Fact of the matter is, you say Sonnen was not worthy. Well looking back at the facts, Jones was not worthy when he got the injury replacement call to fight Shogun back in 2010... Wins over Vera, Matyushenko and Bader are not title shot worthy now are they! Jones got a lucky break coz Evans was injured, Rampage turned down the fight, Machida couldnt be considered for a third consecutive fight with Shogun for obvious reasons, Griffin was injured at the time, Franklin was injured in addition to coming off a catchweight loss to Belfort, Ortiz was injured. All those guys were ranked ABOVE Jones at that time! The 151 situation was similar in that there was a lack of fit and prepared fighters available who could additionally cut the weight in 8 days, hence the MW options explored as those guys tend to walk around at 210-220lbs anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 **** YOU JONES to lazy to make a meme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chute_Boxe_Champion Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 He does make good points but 8 days and 6 weeks is completely different in terms of short notice, heck Jon ended up taken a fight roughly a month away so still less time then shogun had Other then that he makes some fair points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StompGrind Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 He missed making the point Jones deserves 25 to life for being a pedo and near vehicular homicide offender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chute_Boxe_Champion Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Zaksame talking rubbish as usual Fact of the matter is' date=' you say Sonnen was not worthy. Well looking back at the facts, Jones was not worthy when he got the injury replacement call to fight Shogun back in 2010... Wins over Vera, Matyushenko and Bader are not title shot worthy now are they! [b']Jones got a lucky break coz Evans was injured[/b], Rampage turned down the fight, Machida couldnt be considered for a third consecutive fight with Shogun for obvious reasons, Griffin was injured at the time, Franklin was injured in addition to coming off a catchweight loss to Belfort, Ortiz was injured. All those guys were ranked ABOVE Jones at that time! The 151 situation was similar in that there was a lack of fit and prepared fighters available who could additionally cut the weight in 8 days, hence the MW options explored as those guys tend to walk around at 210-220lbs anyway. Sorry man there is all kinds of wrong in the second paragraph Machida got a title shot after beating. Bader... No one else just Bader, shogun who on a two fight losing streak had the potential to get a shot just by beating Vera, so how do you discredit jones without discrediting those guys even more considering jones had a winning streak the others did not Furthermore griffin and Franklin were not injured, in fact they both fought on the same card thatjones beat Bader, Forrest won but no one even complained when jones got the shot And you can't even say that jones and sonnen were in the same situation, 6 weeks and 8 days is completely different, as well as Jones deserved the shot more then anyone else at the time, sonnen just makes the UFC the most $$$ and doesn't care if he loses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daweedy Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Sorry man there is all kinds of wrong in the second paragraph Machida got a title shot after beating. Bader... No one else just Bader' date=' shogun who on a two fight losing streak had the potential to get a shot just by beating Vera, so how do you discredit jones without discrediting those guys even more considering jones had a winning streak the others did not Furthermore griffin and Franklin were not injured, in fact they both fought on the same card thatjones beat Bader, Forrest won but no one even complained when jones got the shot And you can't even say that jones and sonnen were in the same situation, 6 weeks and 8 days is completely different, as well as Jones deserved the shot more then anyone else at the time, sonnen just makes the UFC the most $$$ and doesn't care if he loses[/quote'] Shogun was never on a two fight losing streak. Just thought I would mention this. My opinion is that Chael definitly didnt deserve a title shot but for some reason there was no one else, and IMO if you are a champ you have to be willing to take on all comers. If they are deserving or not shouldnt matter. His job is to go out there and try to destroy anyone who wants to claim his title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sQrLLZ Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Unless Shogun took that fight with as little notice as Jones would have had' date=' i.e. 8 days, the argument that Jones benefited from a similar arrangement is an erroneous one. You simply cannot compare the two situations. I completely understand the frustration being levelled at Jones/Jackson, because I shared that frustration. But upon reflection, I can't say that I would have done any different to Jones/Jakcson, all things considered. Rashad is hardly an unbiased party either. [b']The quicker that people realise that the cancellation of the fight and the cancellation of the event are two completely separate issues, with two completely separate parties being responsible, the better.[/b] Jones/Jackson are absolutely responsible for their decision not to take the fight, but the decision was made on entirely fair and reasonable, though cautious grounds. But they cannot be blamed for Hendo being injured for three weeks and telling nobody about it....Its purely circumstancial, and given the specific circumstances, Jones cannot be penalised for making a call that he should be entirely entitled to make. Quoted for emphasis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba_Pilks Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Unless Shogun took that fight with as little notice as Jones would have had' date=' i.e. 8 days, the argument that Jones benefited from a similar arrangement is an erroneous one. You simply cannot compare the two situations. I completely understand the frustration being levelled at Jones/Jackson, because I shared that frustration. But upon reflection, I can't say that I would have done any different to Jones/Jakcson, all things considered. Rashad is hardly an unbiased party either. The quicker that people realise that the cancellation of the fight and the cancellation of the event are two completely separate issues, with two completely separate parties being responsible, the better. Jones/Jackson are absolutely responsible for their decision not to take the fight, but the decision was made on entirely fair and reasonable, though cautious grounds. But they cannot be blamed for Hendo being injured for three weeks and telling nobody about it....Its purely circumstancial, and given the specific circumstances, Jones cannot be penalised for making a call that he should be entirely entitled to make.[/quote'] You make way too much sense to be on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonjanis Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 I've said this before, is the UFC responsible for not making a strong enough card? sure. However one up and coming fighters, and mid tier guys have to make a name for themselves some how, so occasionally one fight will have to carry a card, and secondly. Look at at Forret Griffon. The UFC always look out for him, because he has helped them out when they needed help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMAEars Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 He does make good points but 8 days and 6 weeks is completely different in terms of short notice' date=' heck Jon ended up taken a fight roughly a month away so still less time then shogun had Other then that he makes some fair points[/quote'] it isn't as if Jones hadn't been training. He was at the tail end of a training camp in prep for Hendo. He was ready to go. it was Sonnen that hadn't been in a training camp. Jones could easily have adjusted his game for Sonnen. He would have crushed him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBearKing Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/28/3275444/ufc-151-rashad-evans-jon-jones-sonnen-mma-news "You have a tremendous responsibility as the champion. You are the champion of the UFC. Not only that' date=' you became champion of the UFC through circumstances like this. You had the opportunity to fight for someone that was injured. He stepped into a fight, after I got hurt, so he stepped in for me to fight Shogun. So, he was rewarded by the very process of somebody stepping in to take a fight. So, he owed it to the UFC to take the fight. Not only that, he owed it to all the other fighters on this card who are going to be missing paydays because of that. And lets not talk about how the UFC has done so much to make him the face of the UFC. They sponsored him. Everything he's gotten is because of the UFC, the whole Nike endorsement and everything else like that, has all been because of the UFC. When he got in trouble a few months back, it was the UFC who stood behind him and kind of made it go away relatively quickly. So, for him to turn his back on the UFC is very hard to believe, for one, but it's just disappointing. I'm sure one day, when he has the time to understand the ramifications of his decision, he's is gonna think, 'Wow. What did I really do?'" [/i'] he makes some good points about how when he was suffering from the DUI and everything, they fully stood behind him, they sponsored him and promoted him which lead to the NIKE sponorship and Jones just shrugs them off Don't mean to add to the thousands of threads about Jones but didn't see anyone post this (sorry if re post) and Rashad made some good points that some of us (including me) missed Another great thread by -Josh- . Absolutely agree with Rashad. And remember that Rashad might know Jones better than anyone being that they were best friends, training partners, etc. Rashad also had a lot of wisdom in his words, Jon "Businessman" Jones is definitely going to regret this decision. Rashad was also right in saying that a Champion has extra responsibilities that come with the belt that perhaps Jones doesn't understand. He needs to step up to be a mature role model and ultimately a fight against Junior Dos Santos will show the fans that he's willing to lose it all to gain back the world of respect he lost just a few days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirRender Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 He makes good points but when Jon stepped in for Rashad he and Shogun had MONTHS to train and game plan. Not 8 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandura Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 He makes good points but when Jon stepped in for Rashad he and Shogun had MONTHS to train and game plan. Not 8 days. What gameplan? Use freak reach to keep someone from getting close? how would that change from one opponent to another? Bisping had to change his gameplan more than Jones and he had more success than most. He didn't win but that was the first time Sonnen actually lost a round. and it's the UFC's fault that the card couldn't survive without the main event. BUT, Jones still could have prevented the cancellation by cowboying the F*** up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirRender Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 What gameplan? Use freak reach to keep someone from getting close? how would that change from one opponent to another? Bisping had to change his gameplan more than Jones and he had more success than most. He didn't win but that was the first time Sonnen actually lost a round. and it's the UFC's fault that the card couldn't survive without the main event. BUT' date=' Jones still could have prevented the cancellation by cowboying the F*** up[/quote'] I don't know if you follow MMA or the UFC or Jacksons camp, but they [fighters at Jacksons] gameplan. How does a gameplan change from one opponent to another? If you don't understand that I can't help you, son. Bisping sucks and has never fought for a title, point irrelevant. Yes, it IS the UFC's fault, thank you. Yes, he should have man'd up and fought Sonnen. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Horse Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 He missed making the point Jones deserves 25 to life for being a pedo and near vehicular homicide offender. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 ma boy Shad telling it like it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Completely agree with Hasha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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