cdaburnab Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 We all know the odds are greatly in Jones favor for this fight, however I think a lot of people are overlooking Vitor's chances of winning this thing and pulling arguably the biggest upset in MMA history. So I put together a small list of reasons why Vitor should not be overlooked, and why he can topple the champ. 1: Pressure - Jon Jones is young, and with most young fighters they make mistakes. From his recent DUI to signing a big deal with Nike, to a ton of hate from MMA fighters/fans/media, his publicist quitting publicly sighting he's hard to deal with, he is under a ton of pressure. He's got so much going on in his life at the moment that if there was ever a time he would crack under pressure, this would be it. 2: Over Training - Jones was scheduled to fight September 1st. Now its easy for a fan to brush off a few weeks of hard training, but in that time anything can happen. Stretching the weight cut for a few extra weeks, to adapting to a different fighter can take its toll. With his fight pushed back three weeks, he could easily get exhausted and tired from training so much, and losing some weight, only to put it back on to lose it again. 3: Soutpaw - As crafty as Jones is he's never fought a top level southpaw fighter. Vitor has "hands of steel" that can turn the lights out of any foe in an instant. Switching from Dan Henderson's right handed H-Bomb to Vitor's left handed Holy Grenade can surely be a tough test to overcome. Vitor also has arguably the fastest hands in MMA, as well as a vicious left uppercut. 4: 205 - While Vitor hasn't fought at 205 in a while, and many believe he holds too much muscle mass at this weight, it's simply not true. In the past when Vitor fought at 205 training camps were no where near the level of effectiveness as they are now. Vitor is an "old school" fighter, however he's adapted to ways of new such as The Dolce Diet. He's no longer struggling to make weight, he's going to make 205 with ease, and I believe we'll see the absolute best 205'lb version of Vitor ever. 5: Training Partners - Rashad Evans is the only man to go 5 rounds with Jones, and knows his style more so then any other fighter. If there was one person you'd want to train with to prepare for Jones it would most likely be Evans, and that's exactly what Vitor is doing. In fact Jones even took to his twitter account to diss Evans over training with Vitor. On top of that Vitor has been training wrestling for a long time. Overall this fight is looking more and more interesting and appealing to MMA fans everywhere. The Young Lion vs The Old Lion is a testament of time in every sport. If Jones win's he's still got some top notch competition, if Vitor wins the possibilities are endless. A rematch vs Dan Henderson would be an amazing fight for fans everywhere, as well as a war with Shogun. The most obvious expectation from Jones is to take Vitor down, beat him up, try and make him gas like he has in his earlier years so he can finish him within three rounds, but I believe his new training techniques, and BJJ still make Vitor a big threat on the ground. On top of that if it gets close up against the cage Vitor has Muay Thai training, and Karate credentials as well. I seriously believe Vitor is being severely overlooked in this fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmafan73 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 good post, nice read and i agree, i think people are WAYYYY overlooking vitor and he has an ok shot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetatronBJJ Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 The fact that he's a southpaw is one of his biggest assets in this fight. Could throw Jones off a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 What does Vitor bring to the table that Lyoto didn't already? Speed? No. Precision/Timing? Not really... TDD? Vitor has barely none to speak of. Hendo would lose to Jones, but atleast his chin and KO power in combination with his ability to stuff TD's in the earlier rounds before he gasses could've been challenging for JBJ. Now however, he's facing someone with nothing to offer him except some pretty good hand speed that will do him no good unfortunately, thanks to JBJ's reach advantage and wrestling. Sonnen would've been destroyed but Vitor will also look really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmxyo Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 What does Vitor bring to the table that Lyoto didn't already? Speed? No. Precision/Timing? Not really... TDD? Vitor has barely none to speak of. Hendo would lose to Jones' date=' but atleast his chin and KO power in combination with his ability to stuff TD's in the earlier rounds before he gasses could've been challenging for JBJ. Now however, he's facing someone with nothing to offer him except some pretty good hand speed that will do him no good unfortunately, thanks to JBJ's reach advantage and wrestling. Sonnen would've been destroyed but Vitor will also look really bad.[/quote'] Lyoto is quicker, Vitor is faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdaburnab Posted August 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 What does Vitor bring to the table that Lyoto didn't already? Speed? No. Precision/Timing? Not really... TDD? Vitor has barely none to speak of. Hendo would lose to Jones' date=' but atleast his chin and KO power in combination with his ability to stuff TD's in the earlier rounds before he gasses could've been challenging for JBJ. Now however, he's facing someone with nothing to offer him except some pretty good hand speed that will do him no good unfortunately, thanks to JBJ's reach advantage and wrestling. Sonnen would've been destroyed but Vitor will also look really bad.[/quote'] The difference between Lyoto and Vitor is really simple. Lyoto is scared to commit to his punches. Watch the Bader fight, sure he looked excellent while he was imitating Silva and all, but he's still scared to fully commit to his punches, and always goes backwards while punching, the KO punch in fact just looked like luck, Lyoto even closed his eyes hoping to land. Meanwhile when Vitor punches he throws multiple combos, and always commits. This is a huge difference. Vitor's hands are definitely faster as well. One of the stupidest assumptions about Vitor is his lack of ground game. The truth is his hands usually knock people out long before it can get to the ground or before he can finesse any of his other skills. His take down defense isn't great, I'll give you that, but ruling him out in other areas is silly. Vitor is stronger then Jones for sure, he'll never have elite wrestling, but he's been working a lot on it. Combine that with his BJJ credentials, his Muay Thai, Karate, and Kick Boxing with Ray Sefo, he's arguably Jones biggest threat yet. He's not Lyoto "Scared to Commit" Machida, he's not Rampage "Big Bark no Bite" Jackson, he's not Rashad "Play It Safe" Evans, nor is he Mauricio "I Need Gas" Rua... Vitor is faster then all of those guys, and hits harder then all of them with plans of KO'ing Jones in round 1. Now don't take my nick names personal I like most of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetatronBJJ Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 What does Vitor bring to the table that Lyoto didn't already? Speed? No. Precision/Timing? Not really... TDD? Vitor has barely none to speak of. Hendo would lose to Jones' date=' but atleast his chin and KO power in combination with his ability to stuff TD's in the earlier rounds before he gasses could've been challenging for JBJ. Now however, he's facing someone with nothing to offer him except some pretty good hand speed that will do him no good unfortunately, thanks to JBJ's reach advantage and wrestling. Sonnen would've been destroyed but Vitor will also look really bad.[/quote'] Vitor is a lot more aggressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimatefightingchamp Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Vitor is a lot more aggressive This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyCWood Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Yes, I agree on No. 6. He should take advice from someone that got completely destroyed by Jones. Thats a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 The difference between Lyoto and Vitor is really simple. Lyoto is scared to commit to his punches. Watch the Bader fight' date=' sure he looked excellent while he was imitating Silva and all, but he's still scared to fully commit to his punches, and always goes backwards while punching, the KO punch in fact just looked like luck, Lyoto even closed his eyes hoping to land. Meanwhile when Vitor punches he throws multiple combos, and always commits. This is a huge difference. Vitor's hands are definitely faster as well. One of the stupidest assumptions about Vitor is his lack of ground game. The truth is his hands usually knock people out long before it can get to the ground or before he can finesse any of his other skills. His take down defense isn't great, I'll give you that, but ruling him out in other areas is silly. Vitor is stronger then Jones for sure, he'll never have elite wrestling, but he's been working a lot on it. Combine that with his BJJ credentials, his Muay Thai, Karate, and Kick Boxing with Ray Sefo, he's arguably Jones biggest threat yet. He's not Lyoto "Scared to Commit" Machida, he's not Rampage "Big Bark no Bite" Jackson, he's not Rashad "Play It Safe" Evans, nor is he Mauricio "I Need Gas" Rua... Vitor is faster then all of those guys, and hits harder then all of them with plans of KO'ing Jones in round 1. Now don't take my nick names personal I like most of them.[/quote'] I don't think you can call the punch Lyoto KO'd Bader with a "lucky punch", he was looking for it the entire fight, Bader had a braindead gameplan that consisted of, no leg kicks or angles and since Lyoto was always snapping that knee everytime Bader got close, he couldn't go for a TD on Lyoto, that KO was coming sooner or later. In regards to the rest of the post, I just have to say that, if you look at every single one of Jones fights except Rashad and Bonnar he has done most of the damage on the ground even finishing fights there. When you say, "his TDD isn't great", that's it, you're done, he's going to take you down and win. Lyoto and Rampage both have excellent TDD and not only did they get taken down, they got really hurt (Lyoto), or finished (Rampage), in seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasopasha Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 you make a lot of sense my fren i hope vitor ktfo's him bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Vitor is a lot more aggressive Jones is the type of fighter that can make agressive fighters look like it's their first rodeo. Vitor froze with A.Silva if he freezes with Jones he's getting taken down and elbowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmafan73 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Yes' date=' I agree on No. 6. He should take advice from someone that got completely [b']destroyed by Jones[/b]. Thats a good start. what fight where u watching?:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdaburnab Posted August 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Jones is the type of fighter that can make agressive fighters look like it's their first rodeo. Vitor froze with A.Silva if he freezes with Jones he's getting Taken down and elbowed. Vitor was on the shelf for over 500 days coming into that Anderson Silva fight. 500 days is a huge time to be on the shelf, then your first fight back is vs Anderson "The Goat" Silva... He did freeze indeed, but ring rust was a huge part of it. That's completely opposite for Vitor to freeze. He calls himself a lion because if he senses a weakness he goes in for the kill. Both Belfort/Jones are predators, they both press the action, and strike first. Most the time Vitor lands one and its over after 10 more come your way. Not taking anything away from Jones at all, he is phenomenal, I just think this is his toughest challenge yet. Rampage/Shogun are slow, Machida can't commit, and Rashad just wanted to survive, Vitor wants to smash and destroy, just like Jones does which makes this a great fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Vitor was on the shelf for over 500 days coming into that Anderson Silva fight. 500 days is a huge time to be on the shelf' date=' then your first fight back is vs Anderson "The Goat" Silva... He did freeze indeed, but ring rust was a huge part of it. That's completely opposite for Vitor to freeze. He calls himself a lion because if he senses a weakness he goes in for the kill. Both Belfort/Jones are predators, they both press the action, and strike first. Most the time Vitor lands one and its over after 10 more come your way. Not taking anything away from Jones at all, he is phenomenal, I just think this is his toughest challenge yet. Rampage/Shogun are slow, Machida can't commit, and Rashad just wanted to survive, Vitor wants to smash and destroy, just like Jones does which makes this a great fight.[/quote'] I'm just not seeing Vitor getting past Jones' reach, speed, wrestling and unorthodox kicks to the legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyte Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 We all know the odds are greatly in Jones favor for this fight' date=' however I think a lot of people are overlooking Vitor's chances of winning this thing and pulling arguably the biggest upset in MMA history. So I put together a small list of reasons why Vitor should not be overlooked, and why he can topple the champ. [b']1: Pressure[/b] - Jon Jones is young, and with most young fighters they make mistakes. From his recent DUI to signing a big deal with Nike, to a ton of hate from MMA fighters/fans/media, his publicist quitting publicly sighting he's hard to deal with, he is under a ton of pressure. He's got so much going on in his life at the moment that if there was ever a time he would crack under pressure, this would be it. 2: Over Training - Jones was scheduled to fight September 1st. Now its easy for a fan to brush off a few weeks of hard training, but in that time anything can happen. Stretching the weight cut for a few extra weeks, to adapting to a different fighter can take its toll. With his fight pushed back three weeks, he could easily get exhausted and tired from training so much, and losing some weight, only to put it back on to lose it again. 3: Soutpaw - As crafty as Jones is he's never fought a top level southpaw fighter. Vitor has "hands of steel" that can turn the lights out of any foe in an instant. Switching from Dan Henderson's right handed H-Bomb to Vitor's left handed Holy Grenade can surely be a tough test to overcome. Vitor also has arguably the fastest hands in MMA, as well as a vicious left uppercut. 4: 205 - While Vitor hasn't fought at 205 in a while, and many believe he holds too much muscle mass at this weight, it's simply not true. In the past when Vitor fought at 205 training camps were no where near the level of effectiveness as they are now. Vitor is an "old school" fighter, however he's adapted to ways of new such as The Dolce Diet. He's no longer struggling to make weight, he's going to make 205 with ease, and I believe we'll see the absolute best 205'lb version of Vitor ever. 5: Training Partners - Rashad Evans is the only man to go 5 rounds with Jones, and knows his style more so then any other fighter. If there was one person you'd want to train with to prepare for Jones it would most likely be Evans, and that's exactly what Vitor is doing. In fact Jones even took to his twitter account to diss Evans over training with Vitor. On top of that Vitor has been training wrestling for a long time. Overall this fight is looking more and more interesting and appealing to MMA fans everywhere. The Young Lion vs The Old Lion is a testament of time in every sport. If Jones win's he's still got some top notch competition, if Vitor wins the possibilities are endless. A rematch vs Dan Henderson would be an amazing fight for fans everywhere, as well as a war with Shogun. The most obvious expectation from Jones is to take Vitor down, beat him up, try and make him gas like he has in his earlier years so he can finish him within three rounds, but I believe his new training techniques, and BJJ still make Vitor a big threat on the ground. On top of that if it gets close up against the cage Vitor has Muay Thai training, and Karate credentials as well. I seriously believe Vitor is being severely overlooked in this fight. These are good points. I agree with #1 #4 and #5. There's no doubt he has a lot of pressure on him. Being a champ he already has pressure to retain his belt, but after the fiasco he's been through, and even asking Dana for help with Chael, he needs to come out dominating. I don't think overtraining will be a factor for him. He'll have to make an adjustment from Hendo's big right hand to Vitor's hand speed. He doesn't have to worry about Vitors wrestling, that's a huge advantage for Jones already. Regarding southpaw. He fought Machida and had a tough time in the first round. But really he has teammates that are probably southpaw. Shoudn't be a big deal. I agree with #4 about 205. I don't think he'll have a problem cutting or fighting at 205. Training with Rashad is definitely going to better him. But it's not gonna make him a better wrestler and he's not gonna gain excellent takedown defense or anything. IMO the two factors going against Vitor is SIZE and WRESTLING. I don't know Vitor's reach, but there's no doubt it's not anywhere close to Jones. Jones is a much bigger and stronger fighter. Along with being a wrestler, with long limbs too, and with Vitor having trouble against wrestlers, I see Jones winning by gnp (tko) or subbing him. Jones utilizes his reach too well and his clinch/trips/wrestling. Guys like Rampage couldn't get close to hitting him (given though Rampage isn't really that aggressive), but Jones distanced himself perfectly. I don't see Vitor winning, but if he won I wouldn't be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mujician Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 i love how just vitor swarms after he lands like a few punches even though the opponent isnt too hurt. But after that barage they usually are done lol. Remember when vitor landed his wrist on Akiyamas head and dropped him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetatronBJJ Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Jones is the type of fighter that can make agressive fighters look like it's their first rodeo. Vitor froze with A.Silva if he freezes with Jones he's getting taken down and elbowed. Just pointing out that that's a big difference between him and Lyoto. I don't see him winning it I don't think it will even be competitive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyFeet Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 good post' date=' nice readand i agree, i think people are WAYYYY overlooking vitor and he has an ok shot![/quote'] I would love to put money on Vitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesoulpower Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Honestly Vitor needs to go into this fight acknowledging the fact that he needs to out super aggressive and either win quick or lose quick if you ask me. The only this fight goes the more it goes in Jones favor. If Vitor rushes him and hits him with one of his brutal combo's he could actually win this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesoulpower Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Honestly Vitor needs to go into this fight acknowledging the fact that he needs to out super aggressive and either win quick or lose quick if you ask me. The only this fight goes the more it goes in Jones favor. If Vitor rushes him and hits him with one of his brutal combo's he could actually win this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaksame Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 1Pressure ....Works versus every fighter it doesn't matter if young or old. 2 Overtraining...Pure myth,these do not work hard enough and can stop and take a break anytime they want,try working in the real world with a real boss and foreman and other workers who expect you to do your share. Fighters answer to nobody,they are their own bosses.Many of these guys live it up and get fat in between fights. 3 Southpaw,matters if we are talking pure boxing and we are not and the UFC only has a handful of boxers Hominick being the most purest. 4 Not sure the point here,I know Vitor versus Rumble was almost the exact same size as Rumble before cutting weight.Vitor struggled to make that weight cut,he is usually around 225 even a few pounds heavier.Weight matters in wrestling,Vitor doesn't wrestle. 5 Training Partners ...means absolutely nothing.You cannot simulate your fight and there is no intent o injure during training sessions.If you want to practice your skills you do it by fighting a lot.I do not feel this matters to either fighter as both are at their peak or in case of Vitor perhaps slipping. Vitor's ONLY chance is to try and overwhelm Jones and Jones i am sure knows it.If Jones sees it he should go into auto wrestling mode and easily defeat Vitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaksame Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 1Pressure ....Works versus every fighter it doesn't matter if young or old. 2 Overtraining...Pure myth,these do not work hard enough and can stop and take a break anytime they want,try working in the real world with a real boss and foreman and other workers who expect you to do your share. Fighters answer to nobody,they are their own bosses.Many of these guys live it up and get fat in between fights. 3 Southpaw,matters if we are talking pure boxing and we are not and the UFC only has a handful of boxers Hominick being the most purest. 4 Not sure the point here,I know Vitor versus Rumble was almost the exact same size as Rumble before cutting weight.Vitor struggled to make that weight cut,he is usually around 225 even a few pounds heavier.Weight matters in wrestling,Vitor doesn't wrestle. 5 Training Partners ...means absolutely nothing.You cannot simulate your fight and there is no intent o injure during training sessions.If you want to practice your skills you do it by fighting a lot.I do not feel this matters to either fighter as both are at their peak or in case of Vitor perhaps slipping. Vitor's ONLY chance is to try and overwhelm Jones and Jones i am sure knows it.If Jones sees it he should go into auto wrestling mode and easily defeat Vitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGJORDAN Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Vitor is has what all the credible and dangerous opponent pose to jones. The speed of a lyoto. The raw punching power of a hendo. The aggression of a sonnen. can't wait to see jon sleeping peacefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGJORDAN Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Vitor is has what all the credible and dangerous opponent pose to jones. The speed of a lyoto. The raw punching power of a hendo. The aggression of a sonnen. can't wait to see jon sleeping peacefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S6XStringz Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 vitor is getting beat up bad in this fight. I really don't see him winning whatsoever. JBJ is just going to use his elbows if Vitor tries to rush him with a flurry of punches. Oh well, we can always find something to hype a fight with. You guys overhype fighters more than Joe Rogan does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S6XStringz Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 vitor is getting beat up bad in this fight. I really don't see him winning whatsoever. JBJ is just going to use his elbows if Vitor tries to rush him with a flurry of punches. Oh well, we can always find something to hype a fight with. You guys overhype fighters more than Joe Rogan does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuseFan Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 If Vitor does a blitzing flurry of punches multiple times, I think we might see the first front kick completely snap a knee backwards. It's a favorite of Jones' to use it, and that likely will keep Vitor from blitzing, which keeps him on the outside where Jones will wear him down. Oh, and while Vitor has some great BJJ skill, Jones' sheer leverage advantages will likely overwhelm him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuseFan Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 If Vitor does a blitzing flurry of punches multiple times, I think we might see the first front kick completely snap a knee backwards. It's a favorite of Jones' to use it, and that likely will keep Vitor from blitzing, which keeps him on the outside where Jones will wear him down. Oh, and while Vitor has some great BJJ skill, Jones' sheer leverage advantages will likely overwhelm him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmafan73 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 If Vitor does a blitzing flurry of punches multiple times' date=' I think we might see the first [b']front kick completely snap a knee backwards[/b]. It's a favorite of Jones' to use it, and that likely will keep Vitor from blitzing, which keeps him on the outside where Jones will wear him down. Oh, and while Vitor has some great BJJ skill, Jones' sheer leverage advantages will likely overwhelm him. and thats why it should be illegal, its intent is to permanantly ruin a career....other limb holds and extesions give you an opertunity to tap, that doesnt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmafan73 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 If Vitor does a blitzing flurry of punches multiple times' date=' I think we might see the first [b']front kick completely snap a knee backwards[/b]. It's a favorite of Jones' to use it, and that likely will keep Vitor from blitzing, which keeps him on the outside where Jones will wear him down. Oh, and while Vitor has some great BJJ skill, Jones' sheer leverage advantages will likely overwhelm him. and thats why it should be illegal, its intent is to permanantly ruin a career....other limb holds and extesions give you an opertunity to tap, that doesnt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetatronBJJ Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 and thats why it should be illegal' date=' its intent is to permanantly ruin a career....other limb holds and extesions give you an opertunity to tap, that doesnt...[/quote'] I agree. I've really only seen Andy and Jones use it. I wonder if another fighter was doing the same kick to one of them, if Dana would be more quick to look into a rule change. Can you imagine if one of his cash cows gets their career ended by such an obviously dangerous move like that? I can't blame Andy and Jones for using it because it's legal, but it's definitely a ****y move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetatronBJJ Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 and thats why it should be illegal' date=' its intent is to permanantly ruin a career....other limb holds and extesions give you an opertunity to tap, that doesnt...[/quote'] I agree. I've really only seen Andy and Jones use it. I wonder if another fighter was doing the same kick to one of them, if Dana would be more quick to look into a rule change. Can you imagine if one of his cash cows gets their career ended by such an obviously dangerous move like that? I can't blame Andy and Jones for using it because it's legal, but it's definitely a ****y move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnidFightClub Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 We all know the odds are greatly in Jones favor for this fight' date=' however I think a lot of people are overlooking Vitor's chances of winning this thing and pulling arguably the biggest upset in MMA history. So I put together a small list of reasons why Vitor should not be overlooked, and why he can topple the champ. [b']1: Pressure[/b] - Jon Jones is young, and with most young fighters they make mistakes. From his recent DUI to signing a big deal with Nike, to a ton of hate from MMA fighters/fans/media, his publicist quitting publicly sighting he's hard to deal with, he is under a ton of pressure. He's got so much going on in his life at the moment that if there was ever a time he would crack under pressure, this would be it. 2: Over Training - Jones was scheduled to fight September 1st. Now its easy for a fan to brush off a few weeks of hard training, but in that time anything can happen. Stretching the weight cut for a few extra weeks, to adapting to a different fighter can take its toll. With his fight pushed back three weeks, he could easily get exhausted and tired from training so much, and losing some weight, only to put it back on to lose it again. 3: Soutpaw - As crafty as Jones is he's never fought a top level southpaw fighter. Vitor has "hands of steel" that can turn the lights out of any foe in an instant. Switching from Dan Henderson's right handed H-Bomb to Vitor's left handed Holy Grenade can surely be a tough test to overcome. Vitor also has arguably the fastest hands in MMA, as well as a vicious left uppercut. 4: 205 - While Vitor hasn't fought at 205 in a while, and many believe he holds too much muscle mass at this weight, it's simply not true. In the past when Vitor fought at 205 training camps were no where near the level of effectiveness as they are now. Vitor is an "old school" fighter, however he's adapted to ways of new such as The Dolce Diet. He's no longer struggling to make weight, he's going to make 205 with ease, and I believe we'll see the absolute best 205'lb version of Vitor ever. 5: Training Partners - Rashad Evans is the only man to go 5 rounds with Jones, and knows his style more so then any other fighter. If there was one person you'd want to train with to prepare for Jones it would most likely be Evans, and that's exactly what Vitor is doing. In fact Jones even took to his twitter account to diss Evans over training with Vitor. On top of that Vitor has been training wrestling for a long time. Overall this fight is looking more and more interesting and appealing to MMA fans everywhere. The Young Lion vs The Old Lion is a testament of time in every sport. If Jones win's he's still got some top notch competition, if Vitor wins the possibilities are endless. A rematch vs Dan Henderson would be an amazing fight for fans everywhere, as well as a war with Shogun. The most obvious expectation from Jones is to take Vitor down, beat him up, try and make him gas like he has in his earlier years so he can finish him within three rounds, but I believe his new training techniques, and BJJ still make Vitor a big threat on the ground. On top of that if it gets close up against the cage Vitor has Muay Thai training, and Karate credentials as well. I seriously believe Vitor is being severely overlooked in this fight. you say Jones hasnt fought a good southpaw....isnt Machida a natural southpaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnidFightClub Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 We all know the odds are greatly in Jones favor for this fight' date=' however I think a lot of people are overlooking Vitor's chances of winning this thing and pulling arguably the biggest upset in MMA history. So I put together a small list of reasons why Vitor should not be overlooked, and why he can topple the champ. [b']1: Pressure[/b] - Jon Jones is young, and with most young fighters they make mistakes. From his recent DUI to signing a big deal with Nike, to a ton of hate from MMA fighters/fans/media, his publicist quitting publicly sighting he's hard to deal with, he is under a ton of pressure. He's got so much going on in his life at the moment that if there was ever a time he would crack under pressure, this would be it. 2: Over Training - Jones was scheduled to fight September 1st. Now its easy for a fan to brush off a few weeks of hard training, but in that time anything can happen. Stretching the weight cut for a few extra weeks, to adapting to a different fighter can take its toll. With his fight pushed back three weeks, he could easily get exhausted and tired from training so much, and losing some weight, only to put it back on to lose it again. 3: Soutpaw - As crafty as Jones is he's never fought a top level southpaw fighter. Vitor has "hands of steel" that can turn the lights out of any foe in an instant. Switching from Dan Henderson's right handed H-Bomb to Vitor's left handed Holy Grenade can surely be a tough test to overcome. Vitor also has arguably the fastest hands in MMA, as well as a vicious left uppercut. 4: 205 - While Vitor hasn't fought at 205 in a while, and many believe he holds too much muscle mass at this weight, it's simply not true. In the past when Vitor fought at 205 training camps were no where near the level of effectiveness as they are now. Vitor is an "old school" fighter, however he's adapted to ways of new such as The Dolce Diet. He's no longer struggling to make weight, he's going to make 205 with ease, and I believe we'll see the absolute best 205'lb version of Vitor ever. 5: Training Partners - Rashad Evans is the only man to go 5 rounds with Jones, and knows his style more so then any other fighter. If there was one person you'd want to train with to prepare for Jones it would most likely be Evans, and that's exactly what Vitor is doing. In fact Jones even took to his twitter account to diss Evans over training with Vitor. On top of that Vitor has been training wrestling for a long time. Overall this fight is looking more and more interesting and appealing to MMA fans everywhere. The Young Lion vs The Old Lion is a testament of time in every sport. If Jones win's he's still got some top notch competition, if Vitor wins the possibilities are endless. A rematch vs Dan Henderson would be an amazing fight for fans everywhere, as well as a war with Shogun. The most obvious expectation from Jones is to take Vitor down, beat him up, try and make him gas like he has in his earlier years so he can finish him within three rounds, but I believe his new training techniques, and BJJ still make Vitor a big threat on the ground. On top of that if it gets close up against the cage Vitor has Muay Thai training, and Karate credentials as well. I seriously believe Vitor is being severely overlooked in this fight. you say Jones hasnt fought a good southpaw....isnt Machida a natural southpaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuseFan Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 If I remember correctly, I read in an Ultimate MMA magazine article several months back that California and another state's Athletic Commission have explicitly banned linear kicks to the knee, beyond the standard Unified Rules of MMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuseFan Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 If I remember correctly, I read in an Ultimate MMA magazine article several months back that California and another state's Athletic Commission have explicitly banned linear kicks to the knee, beyond the standard Unified Rules of MMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot12815 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 We all know the odds are greatly in Jones favor for this fight' date=' however I think a lot of people are overlooking Vitor's chances of winning this thing and pulling arguably the biggest upset in MMA history. So I put together a small list of reasons why Vitor should not be overlooked, and why he can topple the champ. [b']1: Pressure[/b] - Jon Jones is young, and with most young fighters they make mistakes. From his recent DUI to signing a big deal with Nike, to a ton of hate from MMA fighters/fans/media, his publicist quitting publicly sighting he's hard to deal with, he is under a ton of pressure. He's got so much going on in his life at the moment that if there was ever a time he would crack under pressure, this would be it. 2: Over Training - Jones was scheduled to fight September 1st. Now its easy for a fan to brush off a few weeks of hard training, but in that time anything can happen. Stretching the weight cut for a few extra weeks, to adapting to a different fighter can take its toll. With his fight pushed back three weeks, he could easily get exhausted and tired from training so much, and losing some weight, only to put it back on to lose it again. 3: Soutpaw - As crafty as Jones is he's never fought a top level southpaw fighter. Vitor has "hands of steel" that can turn the lights out of any foe in an instant. Switching from Dan Henderson's right handed H-Bomb to Vitor's left handed Holy Grenade can surely be a tough test to overcome. Vitor also has arguably the fastest hands in MMA, as well as a vicious left uppercut. 4: 205 - While Vitor hasn't fought at 205 in a while, and many believe he holds too much muscle mass at this weight, it's simply not true. In the past when Vitor fought at 205 training camps were no where near the level of effectiveness as they are now. Vitor is an "old school" fighter, however he's adapted to ways of new such as The Dolce Diet. He's no longer struggling to make weight, he's going to make 205 with ease, and I believe we'll see the absolute best 205'lb version of Vitor ever. 5: Training Partners - Rashad Evans is the only man to go 5 rounds with Jones, and knows his style more so then any other fighter. If there was one person you'd want to train with to prepare for Jones it would most likely be Evans, and that's exactly what Vitor is doing. In fact Jones even took to his twitter account to diss Evans over training with Vitor. On top of that Vitor has been training wrestling for a long time. Overall this fight is looking more and more interesting and appealing to MMA fans everywhere. The Young Lion vs The Old Lion is a testament of time in every sport. If Jones win's he's still got some top notch competition, if Vitor wins the possibilities are endless. A rematch vs Dan Henderson would be an amazing fight for fans everywhere, as well as a war with Shogun. The most obvious expectation from Jones is to take Vitor down, beat him up, try and make him gas like he has in his earlier years so he can finish him within three rounds, but I believe his new training techniques, and BJJ still make Vitor a big threat on the ground. On top of that if it gets close up against the cage Vitor has Muay Thai training, and Karate credentials as well. I seriously believe Vitor is being severely overlooked in this fight. machida was a south paw, good read though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot12815 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 We all know the odds are greatly in Jones favor for this fight' date=' however I think a lot of people are overlooking Vitor's chances of winning this thing and pulling arguably the biggest upset in MMA history. So I put together a small list of reasons why Vitor should not be overlooked, and why he can topple the champ. [b']1: Pressure[/b] - Jon Jones is young, and with most young fighters they make mistakes. From his recent DUI to signing a big deal with Nike, to a ton of hate from MMA fighters/fans/media, his publicist quitting publicly sighting he's hard to deal with, he is under a ton of pressure. He's got so much going on in his life at the moment that if there was ever a time he would crack under pressure, this would be it. 2: Over Training - Jones was scheduled to fight September 1st. Now its easy for a fan to brush off a few weeks of hard training, but in that time anything can happen. Stretching the weight cut for a few extra weeks, to adapting to a different fighter can take its toll. With his fight pushed back three weeks, he could easily get exhausted and tired from training so much, and losing some weight, only to put it back on to lose it again. 3: Soutpaw - As crafty as Jones is he's never fought a top level southpaw fighter. Vitor has "hands of steel" that can turn the lights out of any foe in an instant. Switching from Dan Henderson's right handed H-Bomb to Vitor's left handed Holy Grenade can surely be a tough test to overcome. Vitor also has arguably the fastest hands in MMA, as well as a vicious left uppercut. 4: 205 - While Vitor hasn't fought at 205 in a while, and many believe he holds too much muscle mass at this weight, it's simply not true. In the past when Vitor fought at 205 training camps were no where near the level of effectiveness as they are now. Vitor is an "old school" fighter, however he's adapted to ways of new such as The Dolce Diet. He's no longer struggling to make weight, he's going to make 205 with ease, and I believe we'll see the absolute best 205'lb version of Vitor ever. 5: Training Partners - Rashad Evans is the only man to go 5 rounds with Jones, and knows his style more so then any other fighter. If there was one person you'd want to train with to prepare for Jones it would most likely be Evans, and that's exactly what Vitor is doing. In fact Jones even took to his twitter account to diss Evans over training with Vitor. On top of that Vitor has been training wrestling for a long time. Overall this fight is looking more and more interesting and appealing to MMA fans everywhere. The Young Lion vs The Old Lion is a testament of time in every sport. If Jones win's he's still got some top notch competition, if Vitor wins the possibilities are endless. A rematch vs Dan Henderson would be an amazing fight for fans everywhere, as well as a war with Shogun. The most obvious expectation from Jones is to take Vitor down, beat him up, try and make him gas like he has in his earlier years so he can finish him within three rounds, but I believe his new training techniques, and BJJ still make Vitor a big threat on the ground. On top of that if it gets close up against the cage Vitor has Muay Thai training, and Karate credentials as well. I seriously believe Vitor is being severely overlooked in this fight. machida was a south paw, good read though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Why not to overlook Vitor is because he could get a lucky punch other then that Jones wins easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro21 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Why not to overlook Vitor is because he could get a lucky punch other then that Jones wins easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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