uddaside Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 So the down fall of Gaddafi was necessary we are told, the Arab spring is needed for the Democratic enlightenment of the Arab world they say........ The Libyan central bank was state owned under Gaddafi, now its part of the Rothschild group smh. This video may not be for everyone, but watch it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 How does whats happening to the bank make any difference as to whether he was a bad man or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 it was funny watching him get knifed in the **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 it was funny watching him get knifed in the **** good morning broski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 good morning broski what up, just trying to get a little foruming in before work really gets going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 what up' date=' just trying to get a little foruming in before work really gets going[/quote'] I'm at work as well, but sundays are always slow. I'm heading to the gym in a few minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 I'm at work as well' date=' but sundays are always slow. I'm heading to the gym in a few minutes[/quote'] Sunday's are usually slow for us too, seems today is the exception probably because we're going to have zero work tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 I'm at work as well' date=' but sundays are always slow. I'm heading to the gym in a few minutes[/quote'] Working on the Sabbath day? You're breaking a commandment. You should be stoned to death... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newyorkgiant1 Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Hi, im not working today. Oh oops is this thread about something different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALEXMMA Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Oh he was a bad guy no question, but it's clear we had our own selfish motives for getting involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Oh he was a bad guy no question' date=' but it's clear we had our own selfish motives for getting involved.[/quote'] Thats 99% of why anyone ever does anything. The real question is, was it worth it and was it the right thing to do? And thats really subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasopasha Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 in the beginning if was very anti khadaffi but since i met a libyan guy at work who has family there i changed the way i look at the situation there he says his family there are now dying of hunger but before the war etc they where living like kings (very similair to my countries situation) don't believe western propaganda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 in the beginning if was very anti khadaffi but since i met a libyan guy at work who has family there i changed the way i look at the situation there he says his family there are now dying of hunger but before the war etc they where living like kings (very similair to my countries situation) don't believe western propaganda LOL @ someone who lived like a king under Gaddafi talking about western propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasopasha Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 LOL @ someone who lived like a king under Gaddafi talking about western propaganda. don't believe everything you see on the tv you won't belive me i know that but i do believe him because he same ish happened in my country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 don't believe everything you see on the tv you won't belive me i know that but i do believe him because he same ish happened in my country Friend, i have been overseas on a couple occasions and I am very familiar with people who were in many ways intrinsically involved with what went on during the Libya intervention and how things were prior to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uddaside Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 How does whats happening to the bank make any difference as to whether he was a bad man or not? I think interest free loans and a debtless banking system showed he wasn't prepared to sell his soul to the powers that be in order to make money from a debt economy at the detriment of his people. Which is what they have now thanks to the IMF and The world Bank. it was funny watching him get knifed in the **** Would you laugh if that was Obama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Would you laugh if that was Obama? Not only is Obama black, his black half is Kenyan .. He'd dunk a basketball on the mob and then run like a gazelle to safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Do some proper research into the history of the country under his control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uddaside Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Do some proper research into the history of the country under his control. Assumption is the mother of all **** ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Assumption is the mother of all **** ups. Interesting reply post more youtube video's that don't prove anything, that will help you case as to how nice a man he was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uddaside Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Interesting reply post more youtube video's that don't prove anything' date=' that will help you case as to how nice a man he was[/quote'] Im not trying to prove anything, I posted the video and asked the question simply to get people thinking. I dont remember saying he was nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Im not trying to prove anything' date=' I posted the video and asked the question simply to get people thinking. I dont remember saying he was nice.[/quote']the wording of the thread title implies over wise maybe you should be clearer when making your thread as your thread is nothing but a youtube video that means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uddaside Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 the wording of the thread title implies over wise maybe you should be clearer when making your thread as your thread is nothing but a youtube video that means nothing. If it means nothing to you thats fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 If it means nothing to you thats fine. Sorry, but I dont see what your point is to this thread He was an evil dictator that needed to be removed. those are facts that cannot be denied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 as much as I agree with the removal, I don't find the pictures like that tasteful I'm afraid Sober. I don't laugh at things like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 as much as I agree with the removal' date=' I don't find the pictures like that tasteful I'm afraid Sober. I don't laugh at things like this[/quote'] i will delete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 i will delete up to you homie, not my place to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 up to you homie' date=' not my place to say. [/quote'] sry just took a full 10mg oxy .. been a pain week .. not sure why .. kinda floating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uddaside Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Sorry' date=' but I dont see what your point is to this thread He was an evil dictator that needed to be removed. those are facts that cannot be denied.[/quote'] Baring in mind the standard of living his people had compared to other countries in that region can you tell me why he would have been a hinderance to the future of Libyans? what was he actually doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 sry just took a full 10mg oxy .. been a pain week .. not sure why .. kinda floating lol no worries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 lol no worries i feel FANTASTIC actually ... lol usually I just take 5mg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Baring in mind the standard of living his people had compared to other countries in that region can you tell me why he would have been a hinderance to the future of Libyans? what was he actually doing? Have you actually read anything about the region or history? you dont actually have to ask the question as the evidence is readily available for all to read. if not, i suggest you do. Its 3.15 am here and I am not going into it now as I am beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uddaside Posted September 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Have you actually read anything about the region or history? you dont actually have to ask the question as the evidence is readily available for all to read. if not' date=' i suggest you do. Its 3.15 am here and I am not going into it now as I am beat.[/quote'] Yes I have but Im asking you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 http://www.libyauprisingarchive.com/crimes-against-humanity.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Wesley_of_Wells Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Pretty sure him and his army raped 100's of women. But then again use of force is something you are cool with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasopasha Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Assumption is the mother of all **** ups. good to see not everyone here is a propaganda believer the people over there are now suffering way more now then with khadaffi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker_StyleAwkward Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Exposed illu Illu murdered him /thread Anon&Yakuza > Illu (in Nate Diaz voice) Wut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 good to see not everyone here is a propaganda believer the people over there are now suffering way more now then with khadaffi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayzee Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Buy Libya has a lot of natural resources. So who cares if we attacked one of Al Qaeda's main enemies and a bunch of black people got slaughtered, doesn't that happen in Africa any ways? Here is the thing, Gaddafi was enemies with extreme Muslims. Those are the people he put on trial because they were so radical. Gaddafi was HATED by the Muslim world because he allowed women the same rights as men. That means, we helped out Al Qaeda. Also, Libya had a higher living standard than any other place in Africa but not any more.. But, wait, Libya has resources that could be ours! Sad day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayzee Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 And the whole he is a dictator thing is now overrated. Saddam was a dictator we helped support him and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan... All Dictators... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 http://www.libyauprisingarchive.com/crimes-against-humanity.html just a few things you may want to look at. start at the bottom and scroll up. not all links work, I apologise but you may get a clearer picture about the man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayzee Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 just a few things you may want to look at. start at the bottom and scroll up. not all links work' date=' I apologise but you may get a clearer picture about the man[/quote'] Problem is... Gaddafi use to be USA, CIA Bush and Blair's friend. We set up these dictators later to be taken down. People need to start thinking outside the box... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3wFkYGdE3I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Problem is... Gaddafi use to be USA' date=' CIA Bush and Blair's friend. We set up these dictators later to be taken down. People need to start thinking outside the box... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3wFkYGdE3I[/quote'] well aware of that, dosent change what he did. Blair and Bush should be charged with war crimes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uddaside Posted September 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 just a few things you may want to look at. start at the bottom and scroll up. not all links work' date=' I apologise but you may get a clearer picture about the man[/quote'] I worked at St James Sq a long time ago for a year, each time I looked out of the window I would see Yvonne Fletchers memorial so I dont take this lightly at all. But when it comes to using our leaders as a moral barometer against someone like Gaddafi, we dont have a leg to stand on. Yes he commited atrocities and acts of terrorism. But so have we looking at it from all sides. Bombing, supplying militias, economic sanctions, the list goes on. In the grand scheme of things compared to other nations in that region Libya was a prosperous country considering it had so many sanctions against it. The differences between the secterian groups within the Arab world are being exploited to fuel these up risings. Not to mention that some of these groups are dubious to say the least and actually wanted to remove secularism. They also had with real links to Al Qeada the group that caused Gaddafi to call a truce with the UK and US in the late nineties because he was under threat. Pretty sure him and his army raped 100's of women. But then again use of force is something you are cool with. American troops have also raped women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fobar Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 I worked at St James Sq a long time ago for a year' date=' each time I looked out of the window I would see Yvonne Fletchers memorial so I dont take this lightly at all. But when it comes to using our leaders as a moral barometer against someone like Gaddafi, we dont have a leg to stand on. Yes he commited atrocities and acts of terrorism. But so have we looking at it from all sides. Bombing, supplying militias, economic sanctions, the list goes on. In the grand scheme of things compared to other nations in that region Libya was a prosperous country considering it had so many sanctions against it. The differences between the secterian groups within the Arab world are being exploited to fuel these up risings. Not to mention that some of these groups are dubious to say the least and actually wanted to remove secularism. They also had with real links to Al Qeada the group that caused Gaddafi to call a truce with the UK and US in the late nineties because he was under threat. [/quote'] I apologise if I made it seem you take it lightly, just you reply seemed that way and I was beat. I have never excused the decisions our leaders have made but that dosent change the things he has done. In my opinion he should have been tried at the Hague on war crimes with Blair and Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 American troops have also raped women. Oh well rape is justified now. Holy **** udda. That couldn't be a more dodge/ignorant/silly response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL4TRU_STRENGTH Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 American troops have also raped women. And we rightfully punish them for it BTW - our troops have sacrificed themselves for people overseas - something few other soldiers can claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker_StyleAwkward Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 And we rightfully punish them for it BTW - our troops have sacrificed themselves for people overseas - something few other soldiers can claim. Invisiblewarmovie.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uddaside Posted September 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 I apologise if I made it seem you take it lightly' date=' just you reply seemed that way and I was beat. I have never excused the decisions our leaders have made but that dosent change the things he has done. In my opinion he should have been tried at the Hague on war crimes with Blair and Bush.[/quote'] No worries, I know that you are or were in the Forces so these issues more than likely mean more to you than most. And we rightfully punish them for it BTW - our troops have sacrificed themselves for people overseas - something few other soldiers can claim. Im not in the habit of bashing the guys on the frontline, it doesn't sit well with me. But as for BJJ people in glass houses etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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