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Today is Labour Day in the United States, and in the year 2012, people doing backbreaking work in the heat don't have access to clean drinking water. That's right, in the land of the free, where corporate profits continue to reach all-time highs, workers doing actual labour, either drink brown water or have no water at all in temperatures over 100 degrees Fahrenheit (37.8 Celsius).

 

link: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/09/20129215282550251.html?utm_content=automate&utm_campaign=Trial6&utm_source=NewSocialFlow&utm_term=plustweets&utm_medium=MasterAccount

 

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lol whats with all ur al jazeering

 

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i wouldnt feel bad at all if the workers tied their supervisor to trucks and pulled him apart because those kind of supervisors are the lowest kind of ****ing scum. they are small ****ed, pathetic, ****ing cowards hiding behind ****ed up laws to continue their ****. im surprised the ppl he fired for simply demanding water didnt kill him on the spot

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lol whats with all ur al jazeering

 

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i wouldnt feel bad at all if the workers tied their supervisor to trucks and pulled him apart because those kind of supervisors are the lowest kind of ****ing scum. they are small ****ed' date=' pathetic, ****ing cowards hiding behind ****ed up laws to continue their ****. im surprised the ppl he fired for simply demanding water didnt kill him on the spot[/quote']

 

Al jazeera is a good media outlet

^this. more trustworthy than most media outlets

 

and to the second part, interesting tactic. maybe we should make you the head of the union they need :D

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People who are here illegally and ought to be deported are complaining about working conditions? Color me shocked!!

 

Ok, now on a more human & sympathetic level; faced with horrible working conditions? Find work elsewhere...nobody is forcing you to work there at gunpoint

 

 

How about instead of whining to the govt, the govt actually cracks down on employers who exploit illegal immigrants and penalize them for their illegal behavior? eliminate the magnet that draws these people to cross the border and problem solved.

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People who are here illegally and ought to be deported are complaining about working conditions? Color me shocked!!

 

Ok' date=' now on a more human & sympathetic level; faced with horrible working conditions? Find work elsewhere...nobody is forcing you to work there at gunpoint

 

 

How about instead of whining to the govt, the govt actually cracks down on employers who exploit illegal immigrants and penalize them for their illegal behavior? eliminate the magnet that draws these people to cross the border and problem solved.[/quote']

Interesting that you blame the workers and not the employer? why?

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Did you even read what I said' date=' or did you just skim through it?[/quote']

yes i did and it reads that you blame the workers. dont like it get another job.

 

some of these people have had other jobs, been made redundant and have had to take up this kind of work because of limited job opportunities in the area.

 

also, you dismiss the working conditions to just rant about illegal's and they have no rights. are all these people illegal's?

 

the company should treat all employee's the same regardless, these conditions shouldnt be tolerated ever

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yes i did and it reads that you blame the workers. dont like it get another job.

 

some of these people have had other jobs' date=' been made redundant and have had to take up this kind of work because of limited job opportunities in the area.

 

also, you dismiss the working conditions to just rant about illegal's and they have no rights. are all these people illegal's?

 

the company should treat all employee's the same regardless, these conditions shouldnt be tolerated ever[/quote']

 

Well, if you go into another country illegally, who else do you have to blame for what you encounter except yourself? Yeah, it sucks, but thats the consequences of doing things the wrong way. And if you really think I am just blaming the illegals you need to read again where I said the govt should crack down on those who exploit illegals.

 

Again, I'm not saying I condone whats happening, but they have no right to complain considering they new what they were getting into by coming here unjustly.

 

When you enlisted, did you file a complaint anytime one of your senior NCO's ever did something wrong? Or did you suck it up and learn to accept that its part of the package?

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Well' date=' if you go into another country illegally, who else do you have to blame for what you encounter except yourself? Yeah, it sucks, but thats the consequences of doing things the wrong way. And if you really think I am just blaming the illegals you need to read again where I said the govt should crack down on those who exploit illegals.

 

Again, I'm not saying I condone whats happening, but they have no right to complain considering they new what they were getting into by coming here unjustly.

 

When you enlisted, did you file a complaint anytime one of your senior NCO's ever did something wrong? Or did you suck it up and learn to accept that its part of the package?[/quote']

My enlisting has nothing to do with this.

 

thank you for clarifying and I agree the government should do more to clamp down on the corporations the abuse there powers.

 

I still feel you are missing the point as not all these people are illegal. some people have had jobs and been made redundant and couldnt find other work. Wallmart arent just treating illegals like this, they know the job market is tough and many people have to take these jobs but they don't care.

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My enlisting has nothing to do with this.

 

thank you for clarifying and I agree the government should do more to clamp down on the corporations the abuse there powers.

 

I still feel you are missing the point as not all these people are illegal. some people have had jobs and been made redundant and couldnt find other work. Wallmart arent just treating illegals like this' date=' they know the job market is tough and many people have to take these jobs but they don't care.[/quote']

 

It is very much the same thing - you agreed to a life of mild oppression and strict & harsh conditions, where the people who are in charge of you have considerable power to make or break your life there. But, you agree to it knowing there is something more important you are getting out of it.

 

As far as how they treat everyone, sure, they need to treat them humanely, and I never said they shouldnt - I simply suggested thats part of the consequences of putting yourself in that position - you end up dealing with people who have little or no concern for you.

 

Would you agree they should crack down on the employers for hiring illegals and thus causing a large portion of them to go back home? Or do you merely want them to be more hospitable to them while they work?

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The working conditions are my main concern as that affects everyone. Company must be held accountable for the conditions these people are working in. Not everyone has a choice of what job they do, especially in the current climate.

 

You cannot simply say that if you dont like the conditions go elsewhere, because minimum paid work for these corporation come with similar working conditions sometimes and not everybody is able to find work that is better at the moment. Companies must treat their staff much better, no matter how menial the job is

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There is always a choice. what you mean to say is you dont like your choices and your other options might seem worse. Thats life for all of us in some way at one point or another.

 

So, as much as I agree all people should treat eachother humanely, regardless of their circumstances, I'm in no way supportive of offering additional coddling to them considering they already receive so many other services & benefits from us, courtesy of our hard earned tax money.

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There is always a choice. what you mean to say is you dont like your choices and your other options might seem worse. Thats life for all of us in some way at one point or another.

 

So' date=' as much as I agree all people should treat eachother humanely, regardless of their circumstances, I'm in no way supportive of offering additional coddling to them considering they already receive so many other services & benefits from us, courtesy of our hard earned tax money.[/quote']

you are so closed minded about this I dont know why I bother talking to you sometimes.

 

Sometimes you dont have a choice. Its either crap work or nothing is some towns. if you dont understand that, then this conversation is over

 

I am well aware of you immigration views which is why I am only speaking for legal workers in minimum wage employment. I did say that not everyone is illegal doing this work, but you keep coming back to them illegals again

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you are so closed minded about this I dont know why I bother talking to you sometimes.

 

Sometimes you dont have a choice. Its either crap work or nothing is some towns. if you dont understand that' date=' then this conversation is over

 

I am well aware of you immigration views which is why I am only speaking for legal workers in minimum wage employment. I did say that not everyone is illegal doing this work, but you keep coming back to them illegals again[/quote']

 

How am I close minded? Because I dont agree with you? cmon maybe, thats cheap & silly - even for you.

 

I understand your position clearly - help the poor folks and treat them humanely while they are working for you, even if that means getting the govt involved. But do you even get my point? Or are you the one that is stuck with tunnel vision on this matter?

 

JUST FYI - can you provide me with any facts as to how many are legal? I have a hard time believing most of them are legal and sill enduring this.

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How am I close minded? Because I dont agree with you? cmon maybe' date=' thats cheap & silly - even for you.

 

I understand your position clearly - help the poor folks and treat them humanely while they are working for you, even if that means getting the govt involved. But do you even get my point? Or are you the one that is stuck with tunnel vision on this matter?

 

JUST FYI - can you provide me with any facts as to how many are legal? I have a hard time believing most of them are legal and sill enduring this.[/quote']

I never said most were legal, but some are and no I dont have the facts. do you have the facts they are illegal tho? as you made the original claim about the legal status

 

also, that wasnt a cheap and silly, just speaking the truth. you continually say people have a choice. thats completely untrue. if someone wants to work and feed themselves and family, in some towns, they have choice of crap job or starve. oh, is that the choice you mean?

 

I don't have tunnel vision, just see the world as it is

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I never said most were legal' date=' but some are and no I dont have the facts. do you have the facts they are illegal tho? as you made the original claim about the legal status

 

also, that wasnt a cheap and silly, just speaking the truth. you continually say people have a choice. thats completely untrue. if someone wants to work and feed themselves and family, in some towns, they have choice of crap job or starve. oh, is that the choice you mean?

 

I don't have tunnel vision, just see the world as it is[/quote']

 

we all absolutely have a choice, and what I said is factually true. Again, not having a choice is much different than having good choices. Do you understand the difference?

 

As far as the legal status goes, most of those jobs are indeed done by illegals, and while that in no way excuses their treatment, they in particular hardly have any room to complain, much less demand govt assistance.

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we all absolutely have a choice' date=' and what I said is factually true. Again, not having a choice is much different than having good choices. Do you understand the difference?

 

As far as the legal status goes, most of those jobs are indeed done by illegals, and while that in no way excuses their treatment, they in particular hardly have any room to complain, much less demand govt assistance.[/quote']

I already said that about some being legal, which means most were illegal.

 

the choice is this type of work or starve, great choice to have.

 

conversation over

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I already said that about some being legal' date=' which means most were illegal.

 

the choice is this type of work or starve, great choice to have.

 

conversation over[/quote']

 

Wrong. They can stay home and find other means to provide for themselves. To imply they cant would suggest everyone else there is starving.

 

Cmon man, dont play stupid with me, we both know whats really up - they wanna live here, and are willing to do whatever it takes do live here. Sure, there is more potential for them here, but thats not to say its either cross the border or starve.

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Fobar. I get where you're coming from' date=' i really do, but on this issue i think DL4 is right in his assertions.

 

In an ideal world, everyone would get a fair crack of the whip, but its not an ideal world and DL4 is just pointing out the cold hard facts, cruel as they may seem.[/quote']

Well aware of the facts, just giving my opinion on the current situation for people in minimum paid employment.

 

I havent disagreed with him, just have an issue with people claiming that these people have a choice to get better treatment elsewhere when they clearly dont.

 

those are facts that people seem to ignore and claim are not true. thats all. i wont bother talking about them :)

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Today is Labour Day in the United States' date=' and in the year 2012, people doing backbreaking work in the heat don't have access to clean drinking water. That's right, in the land of the free, where corporate profits continue to reach all-time highs, workers doing actual labour, either drink brown water or have no water at all in temperatures over 100 degrees Fahrenheit (37.8 Celsius).

 

link: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/09/20129215282550251.html?utm_content=automate&utm_campaign=Trial6&utm_source=NewSocialFlow&utm_term=plustweets&utm_medium=MasterAccount

 

discuss thanks[/quote']

 

Quit and sue. It's not illegal to form and strike privately. Simple really.

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Well aware of the facts' date=' just giving my opinion on the current situation for people in minimum paid employment.

 

[b']I havent disagreed with him, just have an issue with people claiming that these people have a choice to get better treatment elsewhere when they clearly dont.

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those are facts that people seem to ignore and claim are not true. thats all. i wont bother talking about them :)

 

 

Are these people forced to cross the border at gun point, yes or no? Answer yes or no, dammit - and none of your BS spin

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Are these people forced to cross the border at gun point' date=' yes or no? Answer yes or no, dammit - and none of your BS spin[/quote']

My bs spin?

 

Why are you so fixated on that issue when I was talking about the company and legal workers who work in similar circumstances?

 

If you want to carry on your conversation find someone else.

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Yes' date=' it is simple. thanks

 

Still the company should be [b']made[/b] to look at their business practices and hopefully this will help change things

 

that's the kinda stuff that makes me take you for a lefty. They shouldn't be MADE to do anything. This is how you control a business.

 

Stop buying from them until they display and represent business practices you agree with.

 

If you are An employee tell them to go **** themselves until they start providing necessary tools to assist on the job.

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My bs spin?

 

Why are you so fixated on that issue when I was talking about the company and legal workers who work in similar circumstances?

 

If you want to carry on your conversation find someone else.

 

And yet another dodge

 

 

fobar - you claim these people are victims and have no choice. to which I responded with my question. If you care not to answer then thats on you - but we both know I'm right and as such remain right unless you answer and explain why I am wrong. Your entire argument hinges on this question.

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that's the kinda stuff that makes me take you for a lefty. They shouldn't be MADE to do anything. This is how you control a business.

 

Stop buying from them until they display and represent business practices you agree with.

 

If you are An employee tell them to go **** themselves until they start providing necessary tools to assist on the job.

 

but...but..but...they dont have any choice! they have to work there :rolleyes:

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that's the kinda stuff that makes me take you for a lefty. They shouldn't be MADE to do anything. This is how you control a business.

 

Stop buying from them until they display and represent business practices you agree with.

 

If you are An employee tell them to go **** themselves until they start providing necessary tools to assist on the job.

Well, in an ideal world everyone with a conscience would do the same and the company would be forced to change there ways to get customers back, but we dont live in an ideal world and how many would follow suit. I dont buy from companies I know have questionable work practices where I can. How many others bother?

 

And how does anything I say make me sound like a lefty, unless you are so far right you can only look left

 

Seems the bigger the corporation the worse the standards for the bottom line staff.

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And yet another dodge

 

 

fobar - you claim these people are victims and have no choice. to which I responded with my question. If you care not to answer then thats on you - but we both know I'm right and as such remain right unless you answer and explain why I am wrong. Your entire argument hinges on this question.

last comment to see if you can actually read

 

I have stated I am talking about the legal workers that have a choice of crap job or no work. it's a fact that in some towns that is the only option some people have at the moment.

 

My entire argument dosent hinge on anything you say, as you continually disregard what I have said to continually talk about what you want to talk about

 

please read this comment carefully

 

end of conversation

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last comment to see if you can actually read

 

I have stated I am talking about the legal workers that have a choice of crap job or no work. it's a fact that in some towns that is the only option some people have at the moment.

 

My entire argument dosent hinge on anything you say' date=' as you continually disregard what I have said to continually talk about what you want to talk about

 

please read this comment carefully

 

end of conversation[/quote']

 

 

so are these legal people being forced to work at gunpoint? yes or no, please...thanks!

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Well, in an ideal world everyone with a conscience would do the same and the company would be forced to change there ways to get customers back, but we dont live in an ideal world and how many would follow suit. I dont buy from companies I know have questionable work practices where I can. How many others bother?

 

Perfect. You shouldn't buy from them. The internet is powerful, use it to call out these companies.

 

Unfortunately when they are to be "made" to do something you get unintended consequences. More expensive prices to the consumer, business suffers etc.

 

And how does anything I say make me sound like a lefty, unless you are so far right you can only look left

 

Because your call to "make" them do something. That's force. Tends to be a leftist quality.

 

Seems the bigger the corporation the worse the standards for the bottom line staff]

 

Proof of such a claim?

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