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Liddell looked good in his "prime" because most of the guys he fought in his "prime" weren't good strikers.

When he faced solid strikers he was done. He almost got beat by Overeem when he was a rising prospect, got leveled twice by Rampage, baffled by Jardine, and leveled by Shogun.

Chuck also got away with eye gouging in some of his "prime" fights. For crying out loud, Jeremy Horn submitted because he couldn't see!

He was Dana's boy, got all the promotional muscle behind him because of it, and for much of his career looked dominant because he was the best striker in the MMA 205 B-League. At the time, the best strikers were in Pride.

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Liddell looked good in his "prime" because most of the guys he fought in his "prime" weren't good strikers.

When he faced solid strikers he was done. He almost got beat by Overeem when he was a rising prospect' date=' got leveled twice by Rampage, baffled by Jardine, and leveled by Shogun.

Chuck also got away with eye gouging in some of his "prime" fights. For crying out loud, Jeremy Horn submitted because he couldn't see!

He was Dana's boy, got all the promotional muscle behind him because of it, and for much of his career looked dominant because he was the best striker in the MMA 205 B-League. At the time, the best strikers were in Pride.[/quote']

 

Blind hating here.. He KO'd Overeem, outstruck Belfort, KO'd Mezger, beat Pele and outbrawled Wanderlei. All top notch strikers. And Jeremy Horn didn't get eye poked, he submitted coz he got punched in the face so much.

 

His chin went down.. But he was still champ till he was 36 and then it was downhill. So he had a good run, you dont see many guys still fighting after 36 and keeping the same inensity.

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prime liddell would have knocked him the eff out

 

jones wouldn't be able to take him down and his lil knee kicks and push fingers in eyes wouldn't work chuck would thumb him in the eye so hard jones would quit his dirtk tactics try to take him down gas in the third and get ktfo

 

then run to hw and get ktfo by jds

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Blind hating here.. He KO'd Overeem' date=' outstruck Belfort, KO'd Mezger, beat Pele and outbrawled Wanderlei. All top notch strikers. And Jeremy Horn didn't get eye poked, he submitted coz he got punched in the face so much.

 

His chin went down.. But he was still champ till he was 36 and then it was downhill. So he had a good run, you dont see many guys still fighting after 36 and keeping the same inensity.[/quote']

 

this also

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It's funny cuz Liddell at one point mentioned that he would come out of retirement to fight Jones. I think it's pretty obvious that Jones and Liddell are the 2 biggest names in LHW by far. Jones is on another level though and the main reason I say this is because he has all the momentum in the world right now. Liddell was in this exact same spot, but managed his last fights very badly and was fighting consistent 1-3 guys instead of playing his career smart and fighting similar opponents like who couture and coleman fought

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A prime Chuck will still get owned by Jones (this coming from a guy who is a numero uno Liddll fan). Jones is a different breed of fighter no one has seen before. But having said that' date=' i still think Jones is a primadonna.[/quote']

 

WRONG.

 

Liddell in his prime is the worst possible matchup for Jones at lhw.

 

Chuck looked past rampage in their first fight, underestimated him and paid for it... and was starting to fade when he finally got his rematch at 37 years old.

 

Any fight post Tito 2 is not a prime Chuck. I'd even go so far as to say that the Chuck that beat Jeremy Horn was starting to move out of his prime. He was becoming more and more predictable, a headhunter.

 

Now to pick apart their styles... Jones would find it extremely hard to get a prime chuck to the ground. He would find it even more difficult to keep him down. Chuck's counter striking footwork based striking style would make it equally as hard for Jones to clinch, thus eliminating any realistic method for Jones to use his best methods of finishing fights. Put it simply, Jones would have to exchange strikes with Chuck at a distance, where Jones has less ability to finish fights, and Chuck is most dangerous.

 

Look to the Chuck vs Rich fight, Chuck's kicks were devastating. This was a truly focused, motivated and dedicated chuck, not the party chuck that got on the drinks in vegas leading up to a fight. This fight shows Chuck's true potential and well rounded striking skills, and this was in his 40's... Prime chuck had more power and speed... and of course a better chin. Jones has proven he has a soft spot with his legs, but he can usually get guys down if they throw kicks... well not chuck. His sprawl is too good. Chuck could do some serious damage from the outside with kicks, if Jones and Chuck traded kicks, Chuck would inflict far more damage.

 

I've long believed that Jones can't brawl, but he can neutralize guys from being able to brawl with him. Well, I truly believe a prime chuck would be able to force a brawling situation with Jones, Jones would be lost in the pressure, he'd get hit more then he ever has, not know how to react and fall to the might of the iceman

 

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BTW, add an inch of height and 20lbs of lean muscle to chuck, switch the overhand for an uppercut and you get JDS. That's the fight I want to see.

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If Prime Chuck fought Jon Bone Jones now he would get manhandled....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Liddell looked good in his "prime" because most of the guys he fought in his "prime" weren't good strikers.

When he faced solid strikers he was done. He almost got beat by Overeem when he was a rising prospect' date=' got leveled twice by Rampage, baffled by Jardine, and leveled by Shogun.

Chuck also got away with eye gouging in some of his "prime" fights. For crying out loud, Jeremy Horn submitted because he couldn't see!

He was Dana's boy, got all the promotional muscle behind him because of it, and for much of his career looked dominant because he was the best striker in the MMA 205 B-League. At the time, the best strikers were in Pride.[/quote']

 

^Truth^

 

Hang on Chucks nards all you want, the UFC didn't have good LHW and HW divisions for years. It's why Randy had such a blast running back and forth picking up titles from the two divisions.

 

Had Pride came over to the UFC a few years earlier Chuck wouldn't be in the hall of fame right now.

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WRONG.

 

Liddell in his prime is the worst possible matchup for Jones at lhw.

 

Chuck looked past rampage in their first fight' date=' underestimated him and paid for it... and was starting to fade when he finally got his rematch at 37 years old.

 

Any fight post Tito 2 is not a prime Chuck. I'd even go so far as to say that the Chuck that beat Jeremy Horn was starting to move out of his prime. He was becoming more and more predictable, a headhunter.

 

Now to pick apart their styles... Jones would find it extremely hard to get a prime chuck to the ground. He would find it even more difficult to keep him down. Chuck's counter striking footwork based striking style would make it equally as hard for Jones to clinch, thus eliminating any realistic method for Jones to use his best methods of finishing fights. Put it simply, Jones would have to exchange strikes with Chuck at a distance, where Jones has less ability to finish fights, and Chuck is most dangerous.

 

Look to the Chuck vs Rich fight, Chuck's kicks were devastating. This was a truly focused, motivated and dedicated chuck, not the party chuck that got on the drinks in vegas leading up to a fight. This fight shows Chuck's true potential and well rounded striking skills, and this was in his 40's... Prime chuck had more power and speed... and of course a better chin. Jones has proven he has a soft spot with his legs, but he can usually get guys down if they throw kicks... well not chuck. His sprawl is too good. Chuck could do some serious damage from the outside with kicks, if Jones and Chuck traded kicks, Chuck would inflict far more damage.

 

I've long believed that Jones can't brawl, but he can neutralize guys from being able to brawl with him. Well, I truly believe a prime chuck would be able to force a brawling situation with Jones, Jones would be lost in the pressure, he'd get hit more then he ever has, not know how to react and fall to the might of the iceman

 

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BTW, add an inch of height and 20lbs of lean muscle to chuck, switch the overhand for an uppercut and you get JDS. That's the fight I want to see.

 

Perfect, I don't think Liddell was as good as Jones but is the worse possible matchup for jones, keep in mind chuck was 6'2 and a half and also had a 77-78 inch reach.

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Blind hating here.. He KO'd Overeem' date=' outstruck Belfort, KO'd Mezger, beat Pele and outbrawled Wanderlei. All top notch strikers. And Jeremy Horn didn't get eye poked, he submitted coz he got punched in the face so much.

 

His chin went down.. But he was still champ till he was 36 and then it was downhill. So he had a good run, you dont see many guys still fighting after 36 and keeping the same inensity.[/quote']

 

Chuck did KO Overeem, but bear in mind at the time this matchup would've been like today's Machida fighting against an '10 Gustaffson. Good hopes for the young guy, but by all rights the vet should win handily, and when Chuck fought Overeem, he was in danger.

Belfort has been riding the coattails of the very beginning of his career for a long time. One of the most overrated fighters active today and has been overrated most of his career simply because he had the potential to blitz someone and KO them, when it became less and less frequent.

Mezger and Pele are decent middling wins, but neither were top-notch strikers.

Chuck did outbrawl Wandy, this is true, but Wanderlei had taken so much MORE punishment than Chuck did to that point. Twice fighting Cro Cop, KO'd by Hunt when Mark Hunt was hot, brawls with Rampage twice, Ricardo Arona...there comparisons are crazy. Wanderlei had been through tons more punishment than Chuck did, it's no wonder Chuck edged out that fight.

 

Horn, Couture, Ortiz....all guys who oddly had vision problems in their fights with Chuck because of Chuck being a dirty fighter and gouging with his thumbs. Don't deny it, just deal with the truth.

 

Truth is, Chuck was just good enough to dominate the grappler-heavy UFC and while he still could've been a star in Pride, he wouldn't have had as great a run.

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Chuck did KO Overeem' date=' but bear in mind at the time this matchup would've been like today's Machida fighting against an '10 Gustaffson. Good hopes for the young guy, but by all rights the vet should win handily, and when Chuck fought Overeem, he was in danger.

Belfort has been riding the coattails of the very beginning of his career for a long time. One of the most overrated fighters active today and has been overrated most of his career simply because he had the potential to blitz someone and KO them, when it became less and less frequent.

Mezger and Pele are decent middling wins, but neither were top-notch strikers.

Chuck did outbrawl Wandy, this is true, but Wanderlei had taken so much MORE punishment than Chuck did to that point. Twice fighting Cro Cop, KO'd by Hunt when Mark Hunt was hot, brawls with Rampage twice, Ricardo Arona...there comparisons are crazy. Wanderlei had been through tons more punishment than Chuck did, it's no wonder Chuck edged out that fight.

 

Horn, Couture, Ortiz....all guys who oddly had vision problems in their fights with Chuck because of Chuck being a dirty fighter and gouging with his thumbs. Don't deny it, just deal with the truth.

 

[b']Truth is, Chuck was just good enough to dominate the grappler-heavy UFC and while he still could've been a star in Pride, he wouldn't have had as great a run[/b].

 

They wouldn't have guys take dives to make him look better like they did everyone else? If Pride was really a superior organization with superior fighters then the UFC would have a lot more Pride champions right now. Shogun, Rampage, Wandy, a Crocop, and Hendo are all great fighters but why haven't any of them held the UFC belt for a long time?

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Chuck would b off balance the whole fight. that length would make it hard 4 him & it'd be hard 2 land that big over hand right with the height & reach advantage. Jones would keep him at distance & pick him apart take him down then elbows of distruction, being 1 dimensional only will get you so far in the new UFC where everybody is well rounded The natual exposed Liddell's weakness against greco in the 1st fight prime liddell knocked u out if you fought his fight or he hit 1st

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They wouldn't have guys take dives to make him look better like they did everyone else? If Pride was really a superior organization with superior fighters then the UFC would have a lot more Pride champions right now. Shogun' date=' Rampage, Wandy, a Crocop, and Hendo are all great fighters but why haven't any of them held the UFC belt for a long time?[/quote']

 

This is simple, these guys didn't look great in Pride because of guys taking falls. It's because they have aged in that Pride ring and when they came to the cage they simply didn't evolve well.

 

Rampage and Hendo are both fighters who have become more and more 1-dimensional as time goes on. The more predictable they are, the more they are beaten.

Wandy, as I said before, simply had taken a lot of abuse in Japan, and can't compete at a champion level anymore.

Mirko never tried hard enough to evolve for fighting in a cage. He trained in a ring, was never a good grappler to begin with, and didn't work enough on skills you need for fighting in a cage compared to a ring. There are far less resets and restarts, less standups, etc...he suffered for lack of willpower to prepare properly.

Finally, Shogun. He has accumulated injury problems and has been oddly back and forth with great performances and bad ones. Perhaps he needs to drop weight so he doesn't cut as much, maybe it's motivational.

 

The problems these Pride stars have had transitioning to UFC are pretty obvious, and you don't need a foil cap to figure them out.

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Prime chuck was a top level counter striker with a solid chin and amazing TDD and amazing Scrambles to get back on his feet

 

Thay being said he was never the best 205er on the planet at any given time in his career...it was either wandy,randy(let's not forget the eye pokes),rampage,Shogun being better at adleast some point

 

He would have lost to Jones who is bigger stronger,faster,more diverse striker,with good trip Tds...would Jones ko chuck?...I don't think so cuz Jones has not showed great ko power as of late but he did show some in the past

 

Jones UD via jabing and foot movement like he did rampage

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This is simple' date=' these guys didn't look great in Pride because of guys taking falls. It's because they have aged in that Pride ring and when they came to the cage they simply didn't evolve well.

 

Rampage and Hendo are both fighters who have become more and more 1-dimensional as time goes on. The more predictable they are, the more they are beaten.

Wandy, as I said before, simply had taken a lot of abuse in Japan, and can't compete at a champion level anymore.

Mirko never tried hard enough to evolve for fighting in a cage. He trained in a ring, was never a good grappler to begin with, and didn't work enough on skills you need for fighting in a cage compared to a ring. There are far less resets and restarts, less standups, etc...he suffered for lack of willpower to prepare properly.

Finally, Shogun. He has accumulated injury problems and has been oddly back and forth with great performances and bad ones. Perhaps he needs to drop weight so he doesn't cut as much, maybe it's motivational.

 

The problems these Pride stars have had transitioning to UFC are pretty obvious, and you don't need a foil cap to figure them out.[/quote']

 

This

 

How come ppl never mention (besides chuck) ufc fighter going over to pride (or pride style promos) and not going as good over there?

 

Only person who transfered well was Coleman and he admitted to roiding over there

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