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Source: http://fiveknuckles.com/mma-news/Jon-Jones-on-Vitor-Belfort-Ive-already-fought-more-tougher-opponents-than-he-has.html

 

Okay, I don't want to just dismiss this out of hand, because many of you know more about the history of the sport than I do (Starting watching after TUF1) but how can Jones make this claim?

 

Vitor fought the legends when they were all still in their prime correct? While he lost a lot of those fights, that's still a high level of competition. At least if not greater to Jones's imo. Thoughts?

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jones best competition>rashad' date='shogun,lyoto,page

 

 

vitor best comp> anderson,liddell(prime),tito(prime),hendo,overeem,randy,herring(HW),wandy....

 

 

 

yea vitor has fought tougher....

 

 

seriously, how is anyone a fan of this d-bag jones?[/quote']

 

yeah but JBJ beat everyone he's up against, can't say the same for Vitor.

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yeah but JBJ beat everyone he's up against' date=' can't say the same for Vitor.[/quote']

 

using that same pattern of logic,

 

if i beat a bunch of cans and im 30-0 im better???

 

bad logic...

 

 

 

yes vitor has lost more, hes been around longer had issues and has fought tough dudes....you win some and you lose some...no one is saying anything about that...

jones said he has FACED(not beat) tougher competition....which would be false by the list i gave

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using that same pattern of logic' date='

 

if i beat a bunch of cans and im 30-0 im better???

 

bad logic...

 

 

 

yes vitor has lost more, hes been around longer had issues and has fought tough dudes....you win some and you lose some...no one is saying anything about that...

jones said he has FACED(not beat) tougher competition....which would be false by the list i gave[/quote']

 

JBJ only beat a bunch of cans? Let me inform Machida, Page, Rashad, Shogun they are now cans instead of all past champions.:eek:

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using that same pattern of logic' date='

 

if i beat a bunch of cans and im 30-0 im better???

 

bad logic...

 

 

 

yes vitor has lost more, hes been around longer had issues and has fought tough dudes....you win some and you lose some...no one is saying anything about that...

jones said he has FACED(not beat) tougher competition....which would be false by the list i gave[/quote']

 

JBJ only beat a bunch of cans? Let me inform Machida' date=' Page, Rashad, Shogun they are now cans instead of all past champions.:eek:[/quote']

If you re-read his post, and actually try to comprehend it, you might realize he never said JBJ fought a bunch of cans. Then again, you might not.....

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using that same pattern of logic' date='

 

if i beat a bunch of cans and im 30-0 im better???

 

bad logic...

 

 

 

yes vitor has lost more, hes been around longer had issues and has fought tough dudes....you win some and you lose some...no one is saying anything about that...

jones said he has FACED(not beat) tougher competition....which would be false by the list i gave[/quote']

 

HAHAHAH who is Vitor Belforts best win against???

Rich Franklin

 

2 losses to Couture (bad losses)

2 to skinny Reem (got finised)

 

Bones has fought and beat much better competition, Vitor has been outclassed by some good fighters (but that doesn't count towards quality fights Vitor has had)

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HAHAHAH who is Vitor Belforts best win against???

Rich Franklin

 

2 losses to Couture (bad losses)

2 to skinny Reem (got finised)

 

Bones has fought and beat much better competition' date=' Vitor has been outclassed by some good fighters (but that doesn't count towards quality fights Vitor has had)[/quote']

 

let me make this clear before i post EXACTLY what i already wrote....this thread isnt about best wins, if he said " i have beat better ffighters than him" this conversation would be ALOT different...he stated he has FOUGHT tougher competition....which is false IMO and probably alot others...

again lets look at the lists:

 

jones best competition>rashad,shogun,lyoto,page

 

 

vitor best comp> anderson,liddell(prime),tito(prime),hendo,overeem, randy,herring(HW),wandy....

 

 

 

yea vitor has fought tougher....

 

read man....your going a total different direction with ur angry post lol

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If you re-read his post' date=' and actually try to comprehend it, you might realize he never said JBJ fought a bunch of cans. Then again, you might not.....[/quote']

 

I said JBJ beat all the competition he went up against, he said using that line of thinking if he beat a bunch of cans and is 30-0, wouldn't that imply JBJ beat a bunch of cans?

 

 

meh, arguing over "faced" and "beat" is just arguing over semantics. Fact is JBJ faced all former champs and won dominately so I'd agree JBJ faced and beat tougher competition. I like Vitor as well though, but just sayin'.

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let me make this clear before i post EXACTLY what i already wrote....this thread isnt about best wins' date=' if he said " i have beat better ffighters than him" this conversation would be ALOT different...he stated he has FOUGHT tougher competition....which is false IMO and probably alot others...

again lets look at the lists:

 

jones best competition>rashad,shogun,lyoto,page

 

 

vitor best comp> anderson,liddell(prime),tito(prime),hendo,overeem, randy,herring(HW),wandy....

 

 

 

yea vitor has fought tougher....

 

read man....your going a total different direction with ur angry post lol[/quote']

 

 

 

Gyoza, what I want you to do is read this OVER and OVER again until it goes in.

 

Once it has gone in I want you to read it some more and then come back.

 

There IS a difference between faced and beaten so please don't make light of that. Im not going to bother explaining it to you because I don't think anyone could put it any simpler than how mmafan has put it for you.

 

Jones has achieved more and been more successful whilst the competition Vitor has faced is really a murderers row of bad *** S.O.B's.

 

Please don't post a response until you understand or we won't be getting anywhere.

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Its true man... competition is harder now and jones been fighting the best LHWs of today's roster its pretty fair to say that he fought better competition than Vitor has.

 

no it isnt

 

Shogun was fighting after a long lay off and knee surgery. Look back through his career...he puts on terrible performances when returning from long lay offs and injury.

 

Rampage...Rampage who got beat by BADER in the fight right after Bones. He's finished.

 

Rahad... biggest win. Prime Rashad would create problems for anyone.

 

Lyoto..... Another big win against a prime fighter.

 

 

He's fought some gorillas but Vitors competition clearly is superior.

 

The mind boggles.

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Even if I agree with the premise of his statement, I disagree with his uncouth behavior in stating that in an interview. And it's a narrow enough argument that his making the statement comes across at petty. Jones holds wins over Evans, Machida, Rampage and Shogun. Belfort's biggest challenges to date would be his bouts with Couture, Tito, Wandy, Chuck, Hendo, and obviously Silva - but he's not defeated all of them.

 

Ultimately, this is yet another disappointing action by the champion - though hardly the most offensive.

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Well, it's tough to say. Years ago when Vitor was fighting the likes of Liddell, Ortiz, Couture, Overeem, etc. I'd say that Vitor fought the toughest competition of the time. It's a hard argument to make that Jon has fought tougher. If Jones fought during the early days of the UFC and Pride then we could truly make the argument. But these are different times really.

 

Today, I would say that Jones' is definitely fighting tougher opponents between the two. When you look at who Vitor has fought in the UFC now as in Akiyama, Franklin, Johnson, Silva and compare it to who Jones has fought as in Shogun, Machida, Evans, Vera, etc. I'd say Jones' has been fighting tougher.

 

But again, different times. The talent coming in now with advanced training regimes makes way for tougher opponents. Jones should be thankful to Vitor. It's the legends of the sport like him that has made way for Jones to fight to where he's at in MMA.

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Jones is jonesing to insult anyone to divert from looking in the mirror because he can't accept he's not put on a pedestal by everyone.

 

It must be unbearable for him to realize how much of an fake christian phony 2-faced lying pompous jerk ego maniac snitchin' immature entitled childish brat fight duckin' and drunk drivin' pedo criminal scum he really is.

 

It's almost unbelieveble really. He should definitely be doing 25 to life.

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Tough to really give a correct answer, everyone has their own argument about who is tougher.

 

Belfort fought Couture and Liddell in their prime he also fought Silva even though he lost but still competed against him.

Jones fought Machida, Evans, Shogun and Rampage.

Rampage isn't really that good in todays day and age.

For their respective times, I would say Vitor had a tougher match up.

But it's very subjective.

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let me make this clear before i post EXACTLY what i already wrote....this thread isnt about best wins' date=' if he said " i have beat better ffighters than him" this conversation would be ALOT different...he stated he has FOUGHT tougher competition....which is false IMO and probably alot others...

again lets look at the lists:

 

jones best competition>rashad,shogun,lyoto,page

 

 

vitor best comp> anderson,liddell(prime),tito(prime),hendo,overeem, randy,herring(HW),wandy....

 

 

 

yea vitor has fought tougher....

 

read man....your going a total different direction with ur angry post lol[/quote']

 

It is crazy to me how ppl can not understand this

 

Vitor had fought tougher and that can not be disputed...add up all the accolades of the ppl ghetto.fought and rank them along the guys jones fought...randy himself has more titles then everyone Jones fought lol and vitor fought him twice

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Top guys vitor has fought: (all in their primes)

Couture

Hendo

Lindland

A. Silva

W. Silva

Liddell

Franklin

Overeem

Ortiz

 

Top guys jones has fought:

 

Rampage (in decline)

Machida

Shogun

Evans

 

Not really sure how anyone in their right mind thinks the two are even remotely comparable.

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Top guys vitor has fought: (all in their primes)

Couture

Hendo

Lindland

A. Silva

W. Silva

Liddell

Franklin

Overeem

Ortiz

 

Top guys jones has fought:

 

Rampage (in decline)

Machida

Shogun

Evans

 

Not really sure how anyone in their right mind thinks the two are even remotely comparable.

 

All the guys you listed for Jones are probably on decline, except Rashad.

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Top guys vitor has fought: (all in their primes)

Couture

Hendo

Lindland

A. Silva

W. Silva

Liddell

Franklin

Overeem

Ortiz

 

Top guys jones has fought:

 

Rampage (in decline)

Machida

Shogun

Evans

 

Not really sure how anyone in their right mind thinks the two are even remotely comparable.

 

Vitor's Wins

Lindland--past his prime--lost to Vitor.

W. Silva--way before his prime' date=' lost to Vitor.

Franklin--a little past his prime, lost to Vitor via back of the head punches.

 

[u']Vitor's Losses[/u]

Couture--beat Vitor twice. Lost via cut once--Vitor's only LHW Title win.

Hendo--beat Vitor by decision.

A. Silva--beat Vitor badly.

Liddell--early in his prime, beat Vitor by decision.

Overeem--beat Vitor by decision twice--before and the beginning of horsemeat.

Ortiz--toward the end of his prime--beat Vitor by decision.

 

I'm not so sure that's impressive enough, because Jones is undefeated and still going after 16 fights. Yeah, yeah, Hamill, I know..1 loss. And Jones is young. More impressive than when Vitor was his age IMO.

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The sport has evolved and competition has become stiffer. So yes' date=' I believe Jones is right.[/quote']

 

Damn Doc, enough is enough..

 

 

 

First off all, jbj cheats ok? take a min and read ill educate your retarded brain.

 

You know why Jon wins? its not his "Elbows" its not his "Kicks" its not even his "Creativity" ITS HIS GODDAMN REACH.

 

Its like a fifth grader comes and runs faster then all the second graders.. and then claims he's the best. NO, your not the best.. ignorant little punk. Go and run with the fifth graders and see if you win.

 

Vitor's win over Randy, Wanderlei, Franklin means more then Jones win over Machida, Shogun, Rashad.. They were fighting a fair fight!! Why do you think weight classes are so important ?

 

Imagine Vitor with Jon's reach!! Imagine Struve fighting LHW!! If struve could cut to LHW he would be the champ and "p4p" aswell.

 

I think it’s a big advantage because I was already fighting in the heavyweight division when I was 17 years old and I was barely a light heavyweight. I was a big middleweight, but there was no competition for me. No one wanted to face me at light heavyweight or middleweight, so I just learned how to deal with those big heavyweights when I was that age. When you’re fighting those big guys when you’re that young, things don’t really get scary anymore.”

- stefan struve

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jones best competition>rashad' date='shogun,lyoto,page

 

 

vitor best comp> anderson,liddell(prime),tito(prime),hendo,overeem,randy,herring(HW),wandy....

 

 

 

yea vitor has fought tougher....

 

[b']

seriously, how is anyone a fan of this d-bag jones?[/b]

 

Have you seen him fight?

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Technically Vitor has faced tougher opponents at that time and a lot of it is because he has fought so much longer, but MMA has since evolved though. Vitor lost to several of his opponents where as Jones demolished all of his. I don't even know if any of this matters. Bottom line, Vitor is getting smashed by Jones.

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It may be tough to say who's fought tougher opponents, but a better way to look at it is who fought tough opponents and won and who fought tough opponents and lost.

 

I would have to side on Jones with this one. Vitor had tough opponents with prime chuck and tito, but he lost. Jones fought Shogun (not in prime, but he was champ), Machida, Evans, Rampage and he won.

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Damn Doc' date=' enough is enough..

 

 

 

First off all, jbj cheats ok? take a min and read ill educate your retarded brain.

 

You know why Jon wins? its not his "Elbows" its not his "Kicks" its not even his "Creativity" ITS HIS GODDAMN REACH.

 

Its like a fifth grader comes and runs faster then all the second graders.. and then claims he's the best. NO, your not the best.. ignorant little punk. Go and run with the fifth graders and see if you win.

 

Vitor's win over Randy, Wanderlei, Franklin means more then Jones win over Machida, Shogun, Rashad.. They were fighting a fair fight!! Why do you think weight classes are so important ?

 

Imagine Vitor with Jon's reach!! Imagine Struve fighting LHW!! [b']If struve could cut to LHW he would be the champ and "p4p" aswell.[/b]

 

- stefan struve

 

Not sure if...um..what? :confused:

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Lol. Cheat? Okay...sure.

 

Lets say your a father, and your kid is about to run a school marathon for second graders. Now all of a sudden this kid from the fifth grade manipulates the system so he can join the marathon.. basically zeroing down the chances of your kid or any other kid from winning.

 

and not only that, later the fifth grader rubs the win in your kids face, and goes on and on claiming how he's the best.

 

you see nothing wrong here?

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Lets say your a father' date=' and your kid is about to run a school marathon for second graders. Now all of a sudden this kid from the fifth grade manipulates the system so he can join the marathon.. basically zeroing down the chances of your kid or any other kid from winning.

 

and not only that, later the fifth grader rubs the win in your kids face, and goes on and on claiming how he's the best.

 

you see nothing wrong here?[/quote']

 

I guess that was supposed to be some sort of analogy with Jon Jones fighting Shogun. You forgot to mention where another fifth grader got injured and the principal decided to give the open spot to the fifth grader who has been very impressive in his practice runs(which I guess is "manipulating the system" to you). Then the fifth grader won convincingly and got a little douchy. But a little confidence doesn't hurt anyone. And if the fifth grader thinks he's the best, he should be confident. Hopefully that same fifth grader won't go on to crash his bicycle into a tree or anything whilst being on a sugar overdose from a bunch of candy.

 

Yeah I don't see anything wrong. Jones fought Shogun on 6 weeks notice which was claimed "short notice". Chael wanted to fight Jones on 8 days notice and was also considered "short notice". I not sure what people consider to be "short notice" anymore.

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I guess that was supposed to be some sort of analogy with Jon Jones fighting Shogun. You forgot to mention where another fifth grader got injured and the principal decided to give the open spot to the fifth grader who has been very impressive in his practice runs(which I guess is "manipulating the system" to you). Then the fifth grader won convincingly and got a little douchy. But a little confidence doesn't hurt anyone. And if the fifth grader thinks he's the best' date=' he should be confident. Hopefully that same fifth grader won't go on to crash his bicycle into a tree or anything whilst being on a sugar overdose from a bunch of candy.[/quote']

 

And start hanging out with girls from grade one.. but that's a whole nother story.

 

 

Read my post again, "school marathon for second graders" the point is that the fifth grader should run with FIFTH graders.. not beat down on little kids then be smug about it.

 

I'll give the kid respect when he starts running with his own kind.

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And start hanging out with girls from grade one.. but that's a whole nother story.

 

 

Read my post again' date=' "school marathon for second graders" the point is that the fifth grader should run with FIFTH graders.. not beat down on little kids then be smug about it.

 

I'll give the kid respect when he starts running with his own kind.[/quote']

 

Just stop...please. Your analogies suck.

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Lets say your a father' date=' and your kid is about to run a school marathon for second graders. Now all of a sudden this kid from the fifth grade manipulates the system so he can join the marathon.. basically zeroing down the chances of your kid or any other kid from winning.

 

and not only that, later the fifth grader rubs the win in your kids face, and goes on and on claiming how he's the best.

 

you see nothing wrong here?[/quote']

 

By the way, if you think Jon Jones getting a title shot on 6 weeks notice with a three win streak was cheating, then I am assuming you would agree that Chael getting to fight Jones (after coming off a loss) makes no sense and he basically would have talked himself into a title shot?

 

Is that cheating too? Or are you just blinded by your hate for Jones that you see nothing wrong with Chael Sonnen talking himself into a title shot? lol.

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By the way' date=' if you think Jon Jones getting a title shot on 6 weeks notice with a three win streak was cheating, then I am assuming you would agree that Chael getting to fight Jones (after coming off a loss) makes no sense and he basically would have talked himself into a title shot?

 

Is that cheating too? Or are you just blinded by your hate for Jones that you see nothing wrong with Chael Sonnen talking himself into a title shot? lol.[/quote']

 

No, i'm not saying the short notice was cheating.. no, no.. the fact is that jones is a HW. Weight classes are there for a reason, to make the fight as fair as possible, right?

 

well 15"+ reach adv. is not fair imo. If hes so special why doesnt he move up? what's he so scared of? He's afterall "P4p", no?

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And start hanging out with girls from grade one.. but that's a whole nother story.

 

 

Read my post again' date=' "school marathon for second graders" the point is that the fifth grader should run with FIFTH graders.. not beat down on little kids then be smug about it.

 

I'll give the kid respect when he starts running with his own kind.[/quote']

 

wow your analogies are terrible. Jones dominates at LHW. Deal with it. And if he went to HW, people would still hate him. Point is...

 

..haters gon' hate.

 

I guess by your logic, Anderson Silva is ducking the LHW division too right?

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No' date=' i'm not saying the short notice was cheating.. no, no.. the fact is that jones is a HW. Weight classes are there for a reason, to make the fight as fair as possible, right?

 

well 15"+ reach adv. is not fair imo. If hes so special why doesnt he move up? what's he so scared of? He's afterall "P4p", no?[/quote']

 

If fighters can make a weight class and do well, then they should do that. Anthony Johnson was a light heavy weight who cut to welterweight. Well guess what Josh Koscheck dominated him and KOS was considerably smaller. Frankie Edgar fought bigger guys, but he had talent. He didn't complain about his opponents being bigger than him, did he?

 

Not all about size, think about skill and technique.

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