Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 It's not brain surgery and if you're a fight Junkie you already know this but interesting fact none the less.. According to a Wall Street Journal study of four recent broadcasts, and similar estimates by researchers, the average amount of time the ball is in play on the field during an NFL game is about 11 minutes. Yep....11 minutes of action. That's it. Compare that to one Mixed Martial Arts fight which is 15 minutes minutes of non stop action. Even better is that just one round in a fight gives you half the action in one football game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 It's not brain surgery and if you're a fight Junkie you already know this but interesting fact none the less.. According to a Wall Street Journal study of four recent broadcasts' date=' and similar estimates by researchers, the average amount of time the ball is in play on the field during an NFL game is about 11 minutes. Yep....11 minutes of action. That's it. Compare that to one Mixed Martial Arts fight which is 15 minutes minutes of non stop action. Even better is that just one round in a fight gives you half the action in one football game.[/quote'] 15 minutes of non stop action? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 It's not brain surgery and if you're a fight Junkie you already know this but interesting fact none the less.. According to a Wall Street Journal study of four recent broadcasts' date=' and similar estimates by researchers, the average amount of time the ball is in play on the field during an NFL game is about 11 minutes. Yep....11 minutes of action. That's it. Compare that to one Mixed Martial Arts fight which is 15 minutes minutes of non stop action. Even better is that just one round in a fight gives you half the action in one football game.[/quote'] That is complete and utter nonsense. Also why the Wall Street Journal is not a sports periodical. I liken that to Sports Illustrated giving stock option advice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 If you're argument is second for second in play during coverage, than by that same logic Golf would in fact be the best sport. Golf is so amazing, they have anywhere between 2 and 18 "in play" moments going on at the same time. AND, television coverage of golf is actually longer than the entire day's worth of play due to multiple people playing at the same time. The fact is correct, about 11 minutes of in play action per NFL game, which is also about the same as MLB. But if you're a fan of one or both of those sports, it's clearly a worthwhile experience for the viewer. And considering far more people watch NFL than MMA, one could make the argument that NFL is so much superior that it's attracts a larger audience with less "in play" action - meaning NFL would be by market value a superior good due to the perceived quality of NFL winning out over MMA's quantity. Ultimately though, anyone who would try to assign one form of entertain as "better" than the next is delusion and fails to grasp that any rating of good to bad is based purely on personal taste and could never actually be qualified as factually better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruteDion Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 By that logic wrestling maybe the worst sport of all time Those dude lack Cardio like crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 15 minutes of non stop action? I stand corrected...5 minutes with commercials between rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 That is complete and utter nonsense. Also why the Wall Street Journal is not a sports periodical. I liken that to Sports Illustrated giving stock option advice... Right...because you have to work for ESPN to grab a stop watch and count the minutes of action. Remind me not to ask you which stocks to buy...you'll over look the obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 I stand corrected...5 minutes with commercials between rounds. So stalemate guards with rabbit punching qualifies as "nonstop" action? Or leaning on each other in the clinch against the cage? I'm a fan of both sports but that's just ridiculous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 This is why football ****ing sucks. It so damn boring. This is an old known fact. Thats why theres so much statistic showing and replays. Its a gaint joke. How it is still so popular blows my mind to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Right...because you have to work for ESPN to grab a stop watch and count the minutes of action. Remind me not to ask you which stocks to buy...you'll over look the obvious. No, they sampled 4 games, out of how many? This could've been cherry picked to hell. THATS why numbnuts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 So stalemate guards with rabbit punching qualifies as "nonstop" action? Or leaning on each other in the clinch against the cage? I'm a fan of both sports but that's just ridiculous... The potential for something great to happen in the 15 minutes compared to the 3 hours a football game takes with 10 minutes of actual play.... its sad you arnt seeing the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 If you're argument is second for second in play during coverage' date=' than by that same logic Golf would in fact be the best sport. Golf is so amazing, they have anywhere between 2 and 18 "in play" moments going on at the same time. AND, television coverage of golf is actually longer than the entire day's worth of play due to multiple people playing at the same time. The fact is correct, about 11 minutes of in play action per NFL game, which is also about the same as MLB. But if you're a fan of one or both of those sports, it's clearly a worthwhile experience for the viewer. And considering far more people watch NFL than MMA, one could make the argument that NFL is so much superior that it's attracts a larger audience with less "in play" action - meaning NFL would be by market value a superior good due to the perceived quality of NFL winning out over MMA's quantity. Ultimately though, anyone who would try to assign one form of entertain as "better" than the next is delusion and fails to grasp that any rating of good to bad is based purely on personal taste and could never actually be qualified as factually better.[/quote'] Ok, your point is that this poll is correct? There's about 11 minutes of in play action per NFL game? Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 No' date=' they sampled 4 games, out of how many? This could've been cherry picked to hell. THATS why numbnuts...[/quote'] Ok, so 4 games don't represent an average? Seriously? Most of us watch football and agree its about 11 minutes...give or take a few minutes. Who cares about the exact number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Ok' date=' your point is that this poll is correct? There's about 11 minutes of in play action per NFL game? Cool.[/quote'] No there isn't ffs!!! I challenge you, grab your stopwatch since anyone can do it and watch a game today. Then average that with the rest for the week. I can tell math is not your strong suit. 4 preseason games with replacement refs is not a good sampling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Ok' date=' so 4 games don't represent an average? Seriously? Most of us watch football and agree its about 11 minutes...give or take a few minutes. Who cares about the exact number?[/quote'] Don't try to speak in absolute facts if you "don't care about exact numbers." I swear some of you become more retarded by the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 No there isn't ffs!!! I challenge you' date=' grab your stopwatch since anyone can do it and watch a game today. Then average that with the rest for the week. I can tell math is not your strong suit. 4 preseason games with replacement refs is not a good sampling.[/quote'] Theres other data pointing to it. Just ****ing think about it kevbo How long does a play last? 30 seconds tops? Otherwise you are watching them stand there getting rdy to go offsides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Ok' date=' your point is that this poll is correct? There's about 11 minutes of in play action per NFL game? Cool.[/quote'] My point is the fact that there is an average of 11 minutes of in play action per game has absolutely no bearing on how much "better" one thing is to another. You're the one making an argument that more of something qualifies it as superior. By that logic, ground beef is far superior to filet mignon because for the same amount of money I could get a whole lot more ground beef than filet. OK, if that is how YOU chose to measure something's value, based purely on quantity over quality, that is your priority - however I think you will find many people disagree with you. Now mass appeal does not in it of itself mean superior either, it's just one more measure by which you can arbitrarily try and make an argument for "better" when it's all subjectively based arguments anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 The potential for something great to happen in the 15 minutes compared to the 3 hours a football game takes with 10 minutes of actual play.... its sad you arnt seeing the difference. You know what's sad? That you didn't even know that the money in your pocket was OWNED by the federal reserve. Your ridiculous opinions matter not in discussions of fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Theres other data pointing to it. Just ****ing think about it kevbo How long does a play last? 30 seconds tops? Otherwise you are watching them stand there getting rdy to go offsides Thank you for clearly outlining you have no idea what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 My point is the fact that there is an average of 11 minutes of in play action per game has absolutely no barring on how much "better" one thing is to another. You're the one making an argument that more of something qualifies it as superior. By that logic' date=' ground beef is far superior to filet mignon because for the same amount of money I could get a whole lot more ground beef than filet. OK, if that is how YOU chose to measure something's value, based purely on quantity over quality, that is your priority - however I think you will find many people disagree with you. Now mass appeal does not in it of itself mean superior either, it's just one more measure by which you can arbitrarily try and make an argument for "better" when it's all subjectively based arguments anyway.[/quote'] His statistic doesn't hold up. They sampled 4 preseason games. That is in no way, shape, or form a representative of the sport as a whole. Just like his "15 minutes of nonstop" action isn't a representative of every MMA fight. He's grasping at straws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Don't try to speak in absolute facts if you "don't care about exact numbers." I swear some of you become more retarded by the day. Where did I say ABSOLUTE FACTUAL? Point it out ****r...where? Go back and re-read what was written. Why so angry bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Thank you for clearly outlining you have no idea what you're talking about. Grab a stop watch..try it for yourself. It AVERAGES out to about 11 minutes In a game. Why does that hurt you so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Grab a stop watch..try it for yourself. It AVERAGES out to about 11 minutes In a game. Why does that hurt you so much? Prove it. There is a play clock for a reason. No anger here, just arguing with idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Where did I say ABSOLUTE FACTUAL? Point it out ****r...where? Go back and re-read what was written. Why so angry bro? Did you, or did you not use a sampling of 4 preseason games with replacement refs as a representation of the sport as a whole "****r?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Prove it. There is a play clock for a reason. No anger here' date=' just arguing with idiots.[/quote'] And while the clocks counting down...How much of that time is ACTION? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 His statistic doesn't hold up. They sampled 4 preseason games. That is in no way' date=' shape, or form a representative of the sport as a whole. Just like his "15 minutes of nonstop" action isn't a representative of every MMA fight. He's grasping at straws.[/quote'] OK. Except I've heard similar numbers in the past. I myself have never put forth the effort to use a stop-watch and time it, but whenever these kinds of samplings are done they seem to come back with between 8-13 minutes of actual in play time per game. Ultimately, does it matter? I shutter to think what injury reports would look like if we upped it much higher than that anyway. And it stands to reason, you have a RB take it up the middle moving damn quickly for a first down, all in like 5 seconds, then it's going to take 15-20 for them to reach the line, get in formation and snap the ball again. All I know is that arguing about "in play time" or levels of "popularity" have absolutely zero basis in passing one thing off as superior to the next. I personally have enjoyed NFL my entire life. I love watching it. For me, I enjoy NFL more than MMA. That does not make it better, it means I as an individual like one thing more than the other. Things like "better" or "best" or "worst" are usually very subjective. Even when you try and quantify it by dividing up pros-vs-cons, it still ends up being a decision based on individual taste. MMA isn't better than Football/Soccer which in turn isn't better than NFL style Football, which is no better than Nascar. I myself have an order of preference, but it's all subjective based on qualitative perception - not mislabeled "factual" arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 And while the clocks counting down...How much of that time is ACTION? How many plays are there a game? You do not understand football or math... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Did you' date=' or did you not use a sampling of 4 preseason games with replacement refs as a representation of the sport as a whole "****r?"[/quote'] No I didn't. We are talking AVERAGES NOT ABSOLUTES...read my original post. Please? You look stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 No I didn't. We are talking AVERAGES NOT ABSOLUTES...read my original post. Please? You look stupid. That's still not a representative of the sport as a whole... It's the same as me picking a Gray Maynard LnP snoozefest for a representative of MMA "nonstop" action. How are you not understanding that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 How many plays are there a game? You do not understand football or math... Ok, you're not grasping the research. Google this and read the countless amounts of research done into what you are denying... 'how much action in a football game' Don't hurt yourself genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 That's still not a representative of the sport as a whole... Wow...Then you tell me what represents the sport as a whole? How many games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Ok' date=' you're not grasping the research. Google this and read the countless amounts of research done into what you are denying... 'how much action in a football game' Don't hurt yourself genius.[/quote'] Define action in both sports champ. Don't hurt yourself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Wow...Then you tell me what represents the sport as a whole? How many games? Do you know what cherry picking is? I don't even know why I'm asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 One play in a football game has as much action as an entire fight, boxing or MMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 That's still not a representative of the sport as a whole... It's the same as me picking a Gray Maynard LnP snoozefest for a representative of MMA "nonstop" action. How are you not understanding that? I would be fine and believe the research if 4 UFC fight cards were studied and and averages were built around those 4 UFC fight cards. That's the meaning of "Averages"... They're never 100 % correct Einstein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 One play in a football game has as much action as an entire fight' date=' boxing or MMA.[/quote'] That's why I want him to define "action." He has the audacity to call me stupid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 I would be fine and believe the research if 4 UFC fight cards were studied and and averages were built around those 4 UFC fight cards. That's the meaning of "Averages"... They're never 100 % correct Einstein. How many fights per card in those 4 cards? Ffs you're an incomprehensible moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Do you know what cherry picking is? I don't even know why I'm asking. Yes, it's a biased assumption made by someone or a group to further an agenda. Now prove to me this research is cherry picked. I don't have any reason to believe there's a conspiracy against football. I was just posting interesting research that I agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 How many fights per card in those 4 cards? Ffs you're an incomprehensible moron. What's the average? Are you not able to figure that out? Do you want me to do that research for you too? Please stop talking, you're embarrassing yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Yes' date=' it's a biased assumption made by someone or a group to further an agenda. Now prove to me this research is cherry picked. I don't have any reason to believe there's a conspiracy against football. I was just posting interesting research that I agree with.[/quote'] It was a 4 game sampling of preseason games, with replacement refs. Meaning will naturally take longer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 That's why I want him to define "action." He has the audacity to call me stupid... You are stupid. Action is not a clock counting down while very little is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGnoob Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 You know what's sad? That you didn't even know that the money in your pocket was OWNED by the federal reserve. Your ridiculous opinions matter not in discussions of fact. straw man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 What's the average? Are you not able to figure that out? Do you want me to do that research for you too? Please stop talking' date=' you're embarrassing yourself.[/quote'] No, im trying to get your simple mind to understand representative sampling and ratios. You keep saying I'm embarrassing myself or that I look stupid, yet it is clearly you who doesn't understand proper implementation of statistics. I'm going to chalk this up to trolling because you can't possibly be this stupid. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 It was a 4 game sampling of preseason games' date=' with replacement refs. Meaning will naturally take longer...[/quote'] http://deadspin.com/5449357/theres-not-much-football-in-your-football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 straw man Is it not true? Besides your post was opinion so there was nothing to debate. Nice straw man response yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 It was a 4 game sampling of preseason games' date=' with replacement refs. Meaning will naturally take longer...[/quote'] Actually, and I'm SHOCKED Brady hasn't said something about this yet (perhaps he himself doesn't even realize it); this study he's referring to isn't even recent. SOURCE: http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052748704281204575002852055561406-lMyQjAxMTAwMDEwNTExNDUyWj.html You will note, the publication date is January 15, 2010, which means that the original study was done prior to this article. So the sampling, however limited it was in it's scope, didn't come from this most recent week of pre-season with replacement refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbo_Jones Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Actually' date=' and I'm SHOCKED Brady hasn't said something about this yet (perhaps he himself doesn't even realize it); this study he's referring to isn't even recent. SOURCE: http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052748704281204575002852055561406-lMyQjAxMTAwMDEwNTExNDUyWj.html You will note, the publication date is January 15, 2010, which means that the original study was done prior to this article. So the sampling, however limited it was in it's scope, didn't come from this most recent week of pre-season with replacement refs.[/quote'] You're correct! Burn on both of us. I'm still waiting for him to define action in both sports. Or anyone for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 You're correct! Burn on both of us. I'm still waiting for him to define action in both sports. Or anyone for that matter. Football is pretty easy to define. Once the ball is snapped until the play is over. MMA, I'd imagine he was talking about from bell to bell. So provided it went to judge's decision, MMA would have 15 minutes of "action" over a 17 minutes span (assuming it's a non-title, non-main event bout) and in football, your final play time would in a big way be contributed by how each coach manages the clock. Now, it's worth noting that in NFL, there is a lot going on during a play, where as in MMA it's conceivable there would be a lot of circling and sizing each other up with little actually engaging; Kimbo/Houston comes to mind. But, I suppose as long as the bout is happening, it would qualify as "action." I maintain I've heard from different places that the average NFL in play time per game to be somewhere in the 8-12 minute range, and that actually makes sense. Doesn't diminish my entertainment value from watching a game in the least bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G__row Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 You are stupid. Action is not a clock counting down while very little is happening. Hey man, knock of the insults please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G__row Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 And, this doesn't mean one is better then the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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