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sam_thetrumen

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"I think that my opponents have become better in time. Sometimes, when you break a guy mentally, he doesn?t fight to win anymore, he fights to not lose and to survive. That minimizes the opportunity for him to be finished. And that?s what?s happening in a lot of my fights and it?s hard to finish a guy who doesn?t fight to win."

 

well, I see that Jake Shields and Kos and Hardy, all those cans were not finished because they are mentally broken. Look, GSP is completely contradicting himself. when someone don't fight to win, it is hard to finish? Brock Lesnar didnot commited in Overeem fight, but he was quickly finished. Okami did nothing but throw some jabs but he was still finished by Anderson easily.

If your opponent dont want to commit and you want to commit, that means it is much easier for you to finish instead of more difficult.

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That would sound legit if the ppl he didn't finish cuz they didn't fight also didn't get finished by others

 

It's amazing how he's a shrink and knows the mental game of some of the guys he fights...

 

"Oh Dan hardy is mentally broken right now and I can't finish him"

 

Months later...

 

"Oh Dan hardy has found his lion heart and that's why Condit could finish him"

 

 

 

 

Pffft

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"I think that my opponents have become better in time. Sometimes' date=' when you break a guy mentally, he doesn?t fight to win anymore, he fights to not lose and to survive. That minimizes the opportunity for him to be finished. And that?s what?s happening in a lot of my fights and it?s hard to finish a guy who doesn?t fight to win."

 

well, I see that Jake Shields and Kos and Hardy, all those cans were not finished because they are mentally broken. Look, GSP is completely contradicting himself. when someone don't fight to win, it is hard to finish? Brock Lesnar didnot commited in Overeem fight, but he was quickly finished. Okami did nothing but throw some jabs but he was still finished by Anderson easily.

If your opponent dont want to commit and you want to commit, that means it is much easier for you to finish instead of more difficult.[/quote']

 

I don't think anyone is arguing that anderson silva is not a better finisher than GSP yet what GSP says isn't completely false either. When people are fighting backwards and trying just to survive and defend you get less opportunity to finish them. Also GSP doesn't have andy's ko power so if he faces a guy that either wont let it go to the ground or that he doesn't want to go to the ground with he's less likely to be able to finish it standing than these top notch strikers.

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I don't think anyone is arguing that anderson silva is not a better finisher than GSP yet what GSP says isn't completely false either. When people are fighting backwards and trying just to survive and defend you get less opportunity to finish them. Also GSP doesn't have andy's ko power so if he faces a guy that either wont let it go to the ground or that he doesn't want to go to the ground with he's less likely to be able to finish it standing than these top notch strikers.

 

Seriously!?

 

GTFO

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Furious is right' date=' but at the same time GSP shouldn't be focusing on finishing or trying to justify why he's not finishing his fights. A part of me just wants GSP to be an ******* about it and just say that he's only going to work for a decision. [b']The guy is too nice and lets people get to him too easily[/b]... who cares?

 

Well if his butt gets hurt too easily he probably shouldn't let Phil rail him like that.

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Furious is right' date=' but at the same time GSP shouldn't be focusing on finishing or trying to justify why he's not finishing his fights. A part of me just wants GSP to be an ******* about it and just say that he's only going to work for a decision. The guy is too nice and lets people get to him too easily... who cares?[/quote']

 

No

 

He's not right

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Sambobo, I don't really remember the Dan Hardly and only have very vague recollection of the Jake Fields fights, but what he said is absolutely right about the Kos fight. Very early on in that fight, Kos was 100% on the defensive, doing nothing more than trying not to get finished. What he said about it's tough to finish a fighter when they are doing nothing but trying not to get finished is true. He's definitely infatuating his ego when he assumes he mentally brokedown anybody. But..., the rest of his quote is true.

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Sambobo' date=' I don't really remember the Dan Hardly and only have very vague recollection of the Jake Fields fights, but what he said is absolutely right about the Kos fight. Very early on in that fight, Kos was 100% on the defensive, doing nothing more than trying not to get finished. What he said about it's tough to finish a fighter when they are doing nothing but trying not to get finished is true. He's definitely infatuating his ego when he assumes he mentally brokedown anybody. But..., the rest of his quote is true.[/quote']

 

No,

 

It's not

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OP you are comparing Brock to ANY other fighter?Brock has always been one of the LEAST skilled fighters in MMA,he has relied solely on size 300lbs of it.Not to mention HW div is the weakest division in MMA,that is why the ONLY guy with any cardio [JDS] is champion.

He is absolutely correct in that fighters on the defensive are not only hard to finish they are hard to beat.Just ask Diaz versus Condit?Why do you think Edgar was champ so long ,he fought to avoid,that made a guy like Penn who has no speed or cardi an easy win.

All of the champions except for maybe GSp fight defensively.GSP does in that he gets his opponent where [ground] where he can't do anything ,but not really ask Sonnen how he made out from the top?So gsp is not really fighting defensively he is fighting to his strength.GSP has not really even wrestled in his last 3 fights either,he is a versatile fighter.

 

JDS is a counter striker,that is NOT an offensive,that is a defensive stance.Machida uses it,Silva uses it,that is why these guys are so hard to beat.That is GSP's point,hard enough to beat a defensive fighter,let alone try to finish him.

 

I would say Hardy was the one guy who is not a defensive fighter,but even that fight ,he fought less offensive than he does versus everyone else,however it was of course fear of the take down more than anything.However just like Brock i wouldn't use Hardy for any kind of meaningful argument either way.

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I sort of agree with the statement. I think that some fighters fear GSP because they fear his takedowns and his dominance when he gets on top so they break from their usual way of fighting. Most of the guys he's fought lately just go in there and try to survive and throw in an attack here and there or think too much against him. Because GSP fears losing, he also is overly cautious and doesn't take risks, so you have two guys who won't take any risks, that's why the fights are usually boring decisions.

 

It'll be interesting how Condit fights GSP. We already saw how fighting a "fighter" in Diaz made him change his style, he didn't want to trade. This is why in all his previous fights, Condit went for it, but he knew he couldn't do that to Diaz so her fought on defence (ran). That's why that fight was crap. I think the same thing will happen in the GSP fight. They will both be afraid to lose and there won't be any chances taken, but I could be wrong, since both guys are also afraid of putting on a boring show after their last pathetic performances.

 

If they fought someone they knew they could beat easily, they would take chances and likely finish. GSP tried with Hardy, but he just couldn't do it, but part of that is he's a bad finisher, tries to be too perfect and not make mistakes(which ultimately made him make one).

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I suppose that's one good thing about GSP, he never really runs from his opponents, he's just very cautious. I hope by saying this, it doesn't turn him into a runner, but I think if he ever did, he would never hear the end of it so I don't think it'll happen. To be called a safe and non-finishing fighter is bad enough, but to also be called a runner on top of that, wow, that would be bad.

 

I would just like to see him go crazy and do some insane GNP on his opponents and not care if he leaves himself vulnerable. I am getting tired of his fights because they're getting worse each time and I like GSP, nothing against him, i'm canadian so I would like to have a dominant champ here that just destroys his opponents.

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OP you are comparing Brock to ANY other fighter?Brock has always been one of the LEAST skilled fighters in MMA' date='he has relied solely on size 300lbs of it.Not to mention HW div is the weakest division in MMA,that is why the ONLY guy with any cardio [JDS'] is champion.

He is absolutely correct in that fighters on the defensive are not only hard to finish they are hard to beat.Just ask Diaz versus Condit?Why do you think Edgar was champ so long ,he fought to avoid,that made a guy like Penn who has no speed or cardi an easy win.

All of the champions except for maybe GSp fight defensively.GSP does in that he gets his opponent where [ground] where he can't do anything ,but not really ask Sonnen how he made out from the top?So gsp is not really fighting defensively he is fighting to his strength.GSP has not really even wrestled in his last 3 fights either,he is a versatile fighter.

 

JDS is a counter striker,that is NOT an offensive,that is a defensive stance.Machida uses it,Silva uses it,that is why these guys are so hard to beat.That is GSP's point,hard enough to beat a defensive fighter,let alone try to finish him.

 

I would say Hardy was the one guy who is not a defensive fighter,but even that fight ,he fought less offensive than he does versus everyone else,however it was of course fear of the take down more than anything.However just like Brock i wouldn't use Hardy for any kind of meaningful argument either way.

 

JDS is an defensive fighter? Seriously? When your opponent is attacking you, you attack him at the same time, that is what is called counter-striking. Attacking someone when the guy is attacking you can be called defensive? Then, what should it be called if you just run away from the attack( like Jones did against Rampage)

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