Junglebird Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Is that those supporting Jones and Jackson are clearly wrong and delusional. And those supporting the UFC are clearly correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 LoL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirRender Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Actually I think the individuals blaming everyone and everything involved are correct... oh wait... is that only me? I support Jones, Jackson (his right to offer his opinion when asked, not his point fighting strat) and the UFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 yes and no Jones and Jackson ****ed up but Dana has blamed everyone but himself for the card failing it was **** except for one fight and he was trying to rip us off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 yes and no Jones and Jackson ****ed up but Dana has blamed everyone but himself for the card failing it was **** except for one fight and he was trying to rip us off. true. jones had an obligation to fight on that card to make it worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Is that those supporting Jones and Jackson are clearly wrong and delusional. And those supporting the UFC are clearly correct. true. jones had an obligation to fight on that card to make it worth it. You have no problem in paying for a card with just one good fight on it? Spoken like a true "UFC supporter" a.k.a sheep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 You have no problem in just paying for a card with one good fight on it? Spoken like a true "UFC supporter" a.k.a sheep... Jon Jones said himself he would never say no to zuffa and he would never duck a fight and he did. Zuffa probably took his work for it and got screwed over jon is the biggest hypocrite in mma, especially after saying he would never do anything stupid and get a dwi and then gets a dui. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 You have no problem in paying for a card with just one good fight on it? Spoken like a true "UFC supporter" a.k.a sheep... I stream. Illegally. At the bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Jon Jones said himself he would never say no to zuffa and he would never duck a fight and he did. Zuffa probably took his work for it and got screwed over jon is the biggest hypocrite in mma' date=' especially after saying he would never do anything stupid and get a dwi and then gets a dui.[/quote'] exactly. Fake duck is fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 I stream. Illegally. At the bar. Well good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisti Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 this is boring me to tears at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Jon Jones said himself he would never say no to zuffa and he would never duck a fight and he did. Zuffa probably took his work for it and got screwed over jon is the biggest hypocrite in mma' date=' especially after saying he would never do anything stupid and get a dwi and then gets a dui.[/quote'] I've already adressed this, what you say on the internet or in interviews means nothing. If it did Dana would've probably gotten his *** whooped by a fighter by now. What does getting a DUI have to do with him not taking a fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 I've already adressed this' date=' what you say on the internet or in interviews means nothing. If it did Dana would've probably gotten his *** whooped by a fighter by now.[/quote'] address it again you have nothing to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 address it again you have nothing to say. I have nothing to say? You're the one who said Hendo has no fault in this... I posted yesterday on a thread and you didn't even reply back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 I have nothing to say? You're the one who said Hendo has no fault in this... I posted yesterday on a thread and you didn't even reply back... Hendo does have no fault he was doing his job and got injured, he can't ****ing help that he even continued training injured in hopes of being able to save the card Jones refused to do his job, even though how much zuffa probably offered him to take the really easy fight against the 185er that he said earlier he would love to fight.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice64011 Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 yes and no Jones and Jackson ****ed up but Dana has blamed everyone but himself for the card failing it was **** except for one fight and he was trying to rip us off. How did the UFC try to rip anyone off? It was actually a decent card to begin with. There are at least 8 fights there that I am interested in seeing but if you lose the top two fights then I agree that it lacks. Jon Jones vs Dan Henderson (hurt) Jake Ellenberger vs Josh Koscheck (hurt) Dennis Siver vs Eddie Yagin Dennis Hallman vs Thiago Tavares John Lineker vs Yasuhiro Uru****ani Johnson vs Castillo Mizugaki vs Hougland Means vs Trujillo Cruickshank vs Martinez Roller vs Volkmann Noke vs Brenneman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 How did the UFC try to rip anyone off? It was actually a decent card to begin with. There are at least 8 fights there that I am interested in seeing but if you lose the top two fights then I agree that it lacks. Jon Jones vs Dan Henderson (hurt) Jake Ellenberger vs Josh Koscheck (hurt) Dennis Siver vs Eddie Yagin Dennis Hallman vs Thiago Tavares John Lineker vs Yasuhiro Uru****ani Johnson vs Castillo Mizugaki vs Hougland Means vs Trujillo Cruickshank vs Martinez Roller vs Volkmann Noke vs Brenneman they actual PPV they were selling for 50 - 60 dollars canadian was not worth it. who has koscheck beat as of late to be worthy of co - main event? Pierce should have got the nod as well... Ellenberger just got knocked out also... The other 3 fights could have easily been prelims on fx... I guess zuffa had it coming, they've been trying to sell PPV's by advertising one fight as of late... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 How did the UFC try to rip anyone off? It was actually a decent card to begin with. There are at least 8 fights there that I am interested in seeing but if you lose the top two fights then I agree that it lacks. Jon Jones vs Dan Henderson (hurt) Jake Ellenberger vs Josh Koscheck (hurt) Dennis Siver vs Eddie Yagin Dennis Hallman vs Thiago Tavares John Lineker vs Yasuhiro Uru****ani Johnson vs Castillo Mizugaki vs Hougland Means vs Trujillo Cruickshank vs Martinez Roller vs Volkmann Noke vs Brenneman Now you're just being delusional... If even the UFC admitted it was a crappy card (they cancelled it, so that should give you an idea on how much faith they had in it), you're here saying it wasn't bad... If JBJ vs Hendo got called off and Ellenberger vs Kos was main, it would still suck hard, especially considering what the ****ing co main would be. Those fights are nice, but main card worthy? No way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice64011 Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 they actual PPV they were selling for 50 - 60 dollars canadian was not worth it.who has koscheck beat as of late to be worthy of co - main event? Pierce should have got the nod as well... Ellenberger just got knocked out also... The other 3 fights could have easily been prelims on fx... I guess zuffa had it coming' date=' they've been trying to sell PPV's by advertising one fight as of late...[/quote'] Ellenberger is 6-2 in the UFC with losses to Condit and Kampmann and you act like he is a ****** fighter. One loss in mma is not a big deal. And you are going to put Siver vs Yagin on a FX undercard? Siver is 8-2 in the UFC and was very close to a shot at the title. I guess I am not as worried about star power as I am about good fights and there were quite a few fights with potential on the initial card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juice64011 Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Now you're just being delusional... If even the UFC admitted it was a crappy card (they cancelled it' date=' so that should give you an idea on how much faith they had in it), you're here saying it wasn't bad... If JBJ vs Hendo got called off and Ellenberger vs Kos was main, it would still suck hard, especially considering what the ****ing co main would be. Those fights are nice, but main card worthy? No way![/quote'] After they lost their Main and Co-Main event they cancelled it and if they would have kept it then you would have been *****ing that it wasn't worth it so damned if they do and damned if they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 After they lost their Main and Co-Main event they cancelled it and if they would have kept it then you would have been *****ing that it wasn't worth it so damned if they do and damned if they don't. Quite honestly, if Ellenberger vs Kos was headlining I wouldn't buy it, if Ellenberger vs Hieron were headlining they might aswell cancel the event beacuse that would be horrendous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Hendo does have no fault he was doing his job and got injured' date=' he can't ****ing help that he even continued training injured in hopes of being able to save the card Jones refused to do his job, even though how much zuffa probably offered him to take the really easy fight against the 185er that he said earlier he would love to fight....[/quote'] WHAT STOPPED HIM FROM WARNING DANA ABOUT AN INJURY HE SUSTAINED? Dana wouldn't pull him out beacuse of that, but he would have enough time to find someone who could be a back up plan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 WHAT STOPPED HIM FROM WARNING DANA ABOUT AN INJURY HE SUSTAINED? Dana wouldn't pull him out beacuse of that' date=' but he would have enough time to find someone who could be a back up plan...[/quote'] Jones woulda declined regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Jones woulda declined regardless. He wouldn't, he said in an intervew for mmajunkie that if he had 3-4 weeks to prepare he would take on anybody. Hendo knew about the injury 4 weeks and a half before the fight... This was before people knew he was injured for so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Is that those supporting Jones and Jackson are clearly wrong and delusional. And those supporting the UFC are clearly correct. Highfive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 WHAT STOPPED HIM FROM WARNING DANA ABOUT AN INJURY HE SUSTAINED? Dana wouldn't pull him out beacuse of that' date=' but he would have enough time to find someone who could be a back up plan...[/quote'] what stopped him? HE WANTED TO FIGHT. duh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little_Kang Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 what stopped him? HE WANTED TO FIGHT. duh.... This BUT I think Dana should secretly always have a back up ready no matter what example For Jones vs Henderson he should have told Vitor or whoever "Yes your fighting on the following card but be prepared to step up on short notice if need be" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 what stopped him? HE WANTED TO FIGHT. duh.... So if he told Dana "hey, I'm hurt but I'm still here, it's just an heads up", Dana would say "you're off the card"? Are you serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 This BUT I think Dana should secretly always have a back up ready no matter what example For Jones vs Henderson he should have told Vitor or whoever "Yes your fighting on the following card but be prepared to step up on short notice if need be" They did this for Story vs Marquardt, they had already told Brenneman to be ready if something went wrong and nobody knew about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZeN Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 He wouldn't' date=' he said in an intervew for mmajunkie that if he had 3-4 weeks to prepare he would take on anybody[/b']. Hendo knew about the injury 4 weeks and a half before the fight... This was before people knew he was injured for so long. Didn't he say before that he would never duck a fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Didn't he say before that he would never duck a fight? Yeah, but isn't he fighting Vitor within that time frame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Didn't he say before that he would never duck a fight? its in my sig, click it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 regardless of his prep time, he had a full 12 week training camp. Sonnen woulda had 1 week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 regardless of his prep time' date=' he had a full 12 week training camp. Sonnen woulda had 1 week[/quote'] Sonnen and Hendo are friends, you tell me if you think he wasn't more prepared than people think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Sonnen and Hendo are friends' date=' you tell me if you think he wasn't more prepared than people think...[/quote'] sonnen wasn;t bashing jones for a shot at the title, he was bashing him because hes a ******.... that excuse is such bs get some actual facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 sonnen wasn;t bashing jones for a shot at the title' date=' he was bashing him because hes a ******.... that excuse is such bs get some actual facts.[/quote'] LOOL! Sure... Hendo gets injured, one week later Sonnen starts bashing Jones out of the blue, two weeks later he gets offered a shot at JBJ's title (not even a non title fight), with Dana saying "well at least they already trash talked on twitter". Disgraceful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 lol if you want to see disgraceful click the link on my sig.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 lol if you want to see disgraceful click the link on my sig.... You've never said something you wish you could take back? Were you ever in the spotlight as much as JBJ is? He's in a place where you have to say everything right otherwise people that are perfect are going to judge on every word you say. That's what I thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 You've never said something you wish you could take back? Were you ever in the spotlight as much as JBJ is? He's in a place where you have to say everything right otherwise people that are perfect are going to judge on every word you say. That's what I thought... Jon Jones is the biggest hypocrite in mma history, fact. almost everything he speaks is bull ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 You've never said something you wish you could take back? Were you ever in the spotlight as much as JBJ is? He's in a place where you have to say everything right otherwise people that are perfect are going to judge on every word you say. That's what I thought... clearly you are in the wrong. just like the tread title implies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Jon Jones is the biggest hypocrite in mma history' date=' fact. almost everything he speaks is bull ****.[/quote'] I agree he should shut his mouth more often, that has nothing to do with why he didn't take the fight. He might be an horrible person (I don't think he is), but he's a terrific fighter. All I'm defending here is his decision not his personality, which I've said in this post needs some work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Jon Jones and Jackson are fully to blame Dana has never canceled an event, until Jones showed up, Dana runs the business perfectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Can Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 I agree he should shut his mouth more often' date=' that has nothing to do with why he didn't take the fight. He might be an horrible person (I don't think he is), but he's a terrific fighter. All I'm defending here is his decision not his personality, which I've said in this post needs some work.[/quote'] yeah, its dana and jones's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 all you Jones defender(s) need to realize. You're defending Jones because dana talked bad about him publicly. Wake up, dana has been doing this for years. He says whats on his mind good or bad. And now that golden boy jones is under fire for being a duck its too far? Jones did something no other fighter has ever done. Blatantly ducked a smaller nonprepared fighter when the Event needed him. Jones brought this upon himself and his fake ***. "I will never turn down an MMA fight with anyone" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnages Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 all you Jones defender(s) need to realize. You're defending Jones because dana talked bad about him publicly. Wake up' date=' dana has been doing this for years. He says whats on his mind good or bad. And now that golden boy jones is under fire for being a duck its too far? Jones did something no other fighter has ever done. Blatantly ducked a smaller nonprepared fighter when the Event needed him. Jones brought this upon himself and his fake ***. "I will never turn down an MMA fight with anyone"[/quote'] ^ truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirRender Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 all you Jones defender(s) need to realize. You're defending Jones because dana talked bad about him publicly. Wake up' date=' dana has been doing this for years. He says whats on his mind good or bad. And now that golden boy jones is under fire for being a duck its too far? Jones did something no other fighter has ever done. Blatantly ducked a smaller nonprepared fighter when the Event needed him. Jones brought this upon himself and his fake ***. "I will never turn down an MMA fight with anyone"[/quote'] Yawn. We all know and fully understand the reasons and opinions surrounding the entire UFC 151 fiasco. You're not saying ANYTHING new and are only trying to stir the pot. Another reason this forum is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 Yawn. We all know and fully understand the reasons and opinions surrounding the entire UFC 151 fiasco. You're not saying ANYTHING new and are only trying to stir the pot. Another reason this forum is a joke. The forum IS a joke. I still enjoy it. On this subject, I would buy Jones vs Hendo with a garbage undercard, but not Jones vs Sonnen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaman Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 yeah' date=' its dana and jones's fault.[/quote'] MMAjunkie.com: Are there any lessons to be learned from the cancellation of UFC 151? Is there anything you can do to make sure that never happens again? White: Yeah, the fighters need to let us know ahead of time they're hurt. Don't try to ride it out and say, 'We'll see if I feel better.' We've always had this weird relationship with Henderson. When Lorenzo and I went to dinner with him when he came to get his knee checked, he was like, 'I thought for sure you guys were going to tell me I have to fight.' Dude, we don't do that to anybody. We've never in the history of this company told somebody that they have to fight. We don't make people fight. He said PRIDE used to do some real dirty [expletive]. I said, 'Well, we don't, contrary to popular [expletive] belief. We don't.' If you're hurt, you're hurt. We never send somebody out there hurt. What you do is you go to the doctor. The doctor checks you out. All these guys have some nagging injuries when they go in there and fight. Nobody is ever 100 percent, like, 'I feel fantastic.' So you go in and see the doctor, and the doctor is like, 'Yeah, you've got this problem here, but you can absolutely fight on that.' Or, 'Eh, if you move laterally, you might have a little weakness in the knee.' Or, 'I wouldn't fight if I were you. I would get surgery first.' Those are the options you get from doctors, and at the end of the day, it's up to the fighter. We don't sit there and go, 'Hey, he said lateral movement might go out sometimes – not all of the fight, just some of the fight. Don't move laterally.' We don't do that. If guys want to fight, they can fight. If they don't, we would never force a guy to fight. LOOL! I say it's a pretty good read... It seems he didn't want to fight he was just scared to tell them beacuse he thought they'd make him. If you believe everything Dana says of course, which you do since you blame Jones' for all of this when it's all on UFC and Hendo's shoulders. All JBJ did was not take a fight against an undeserving opponent. Guess what? I also want to fight JBJ so I can get my *** kicked and get payed close to 1 mil. Who wouldn't? Especially with the title on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMod_FUCKS_his_FAT_DISGUSTING_MOM_in_the_ASS_BEG_is_a_CUNT_too_LMFAO Posted September 14, 2012 Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 It's all Greg Jacksons fault, that guy is a d bag. Jones is impressionable, hes young, what do you expect? He looks up to and admires Jackson. Jackson coached him to where he is at now (3 time defending champion), I'm sure he hasn't starred him wrong yet, so obviously he is going to listen to what his head coach says. Had Jackson told Jones to take the fight, he would have... 99.99999% positive on that. **** Greg Jackson, Dana is cool, Jones is cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglebird Posted September 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2012 It's all Greg Jacksons fault' date=' that guy is a d bag. Jones is impressionable, hes young, what do you expect? He looks up to and admires Jackson. Jackson coached him to where he is at now (3 time defending champion), I'm sure he hasn't starred him wrong yet, so obviously he is going to listen to what his head coach says. Had Jackson told Jones to take the fight, he would have... 99.99999% positive on that. **** Greg Jackson, Dana is cool, Jones is cool.[/quote'] I guess so... Jones cant be a man on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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