jduk Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 How often does the UFC lie to plug a fighter? How many of these guys really do have an underrated ground game/striking? How often does the UFC just blatantly manufacture hype for its fighters? I understand that they have a duty to promote their product, the same as any other company would, but to what degree are they untruthful? What are your examples where you think this is the case? Lesnar? Akiyama? Dan Hardy? A lot of former TUF winners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoToGuy Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 All the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Without resorting to the hyperbole of saying "every single time" I would say by in large the threats presented to certain fighters is largely manufactured to create the illusion of similar skill level. Of course this is due to a bit of individual assessment. I would wager most of us don't have a top level eye for things like wrestling, jiu jitsu, or striking to really understand it at it's peak level. I myself have a much greater appreciation for footwork and punching due to my lifelong following of boxing, however everything I've learned about jiu jitsu has been through my fandom of MMA. Thus, it's quite easy to sell me that Damian Maia or BJ Penn have top level skills in that department due to my ability to look into their past, asses what it is that they do, and determine based on promotion that they are elite. But I know next to nothing about the sport on a whole next to say a Gracie - so I lean on what I am told. And that's not uncommon for most sports. Many of the most heavily promoted superstars of sports I believe may be there, not because the fans notice something special within them, but because the commentators, the analysts, and the journalists see something there - and fans follow suit. It's understandable. Most fans don't have the time to sit and assess tape of performances over and over again. We are expected to be experts in the field of our interest, as a result, we count on other presumably more experienced eyes to tell us what is excellent, and what is simply above average. With this trust, we sometimes are wrapped up in what people like Joe Rogan say on hype packages. Because we lack the critical eye, we hear him say something, we see a quick clip highlighting that point, and we accept it. And if the UFC is looking to sell a particular fighter in a certain manner, all it takes is finding the right sound byte with the right video package, and boom, we as an audience are in large part sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuberling Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Without resorting to the hyperbole of saying "every single time" I would say by in large the threats presented to certain fighters is largely manufactured to create the illusion of similar skill level. Of course this is due to a bit of individual assessment. I would wager most of us don't have a top level eye for things like wrestling' date=' jiu jitsu, or striking to really understand it at it's peak level. I myself have a much greater appreciation for footwork and punching due to my lifelong following of boxing, however everything I've learned about jiu jitsu has been through my fandom of MMA. Thus, it's quite easy to sell me that Damian Maia or BJ Penn have top level skills in that department due to my ability to look into their past, asses what it is that they do, and determine based on promotion that they are elite. But I know next to nothing about the sport on a whole next to say a Gracie - so I lean on what I am told. And that's not uncommon for most sports. Many of the most heavily promoted superstars of sports I believe may be there, not because the fans notice something special within them, but because the commentators, the analysts, and the journalists see something there - and fans follow suit. It's understandable. Most fans don't have the time to sit and assess tape of performances over and over again. We are expected to be experts in the field of our interest, as a result, we count on other presumably more experienced eyes to tell us what is excellent, and what is simply above average. With this trust, we sometimes are wrapped up in what people like Joe Rogan say on hype packages. Because we lack the critical eye, we hear him say something, we see a quick clip highlighting that point, and we accept it. And if the UFC is looking to sell a particular fighter in a certain manner, all it takes is finding the right sound byte with the right video package, and boom, we as an audience are in large part sold.[/quote'] I still much prefer your avatar now just so you know, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Tito is the GOAT at LHW ... Liddell was an overrated can who fought 2 wrestlers and 2 grapplers during his title run and lost when he fought a striker with a similar skillset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 I still much prefer your avatar now just so you know' date=' lol.[/quote'] Well I'm pleased to hear that. In truth, I preferred my other one, but such is common opinion that this is better. I just hope my previous post made sense. If I were to be totally honest with you, I am currently three sheets to the wind, and was afraid it would come out and non-sensical blabber. So, with that in mind, please go easy on my views in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jduk Posted September 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 It makes sense and I agree that with the majority of mma fans being quite uneducated about the sport, it makes it easier to lie to them, because they'll just accept whatever Rogan spews out as 100% truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mujician Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Tito is the GOAT at LHW ... Liddell was an overrated can who fought 2 wrestlers and 2 grapplers during his title run and lost when he fought a striker with a similar skillset lol he wasnt a can. stop hating and being biased otherwise your opinions look really stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 lol he wasnt a can. stop hating and being biased otherwise your opinions look really stupid hook, line and sinker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 VERY often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarWest® Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 "GSP is straight" - UFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendur Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Something borrowed from boxing. I remember they had to manufacture a beef between every title holder and challenger. Kinda reminds me of reading Carwin saying he hates big country. Who in their right mind believes carwin hates anyone, let alone big country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guthro777 Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 "Cain was the first Mexican HW champion." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxx77 Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 never, did you know shane carwin is 6 foot 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEmperor Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Everytime guys like AS or GSP fight, they have to lie to make us beleive the CANtenders have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 I'm not sure I buy the conspiracy. I'm more apt to believe that most of the misinformation or misspeaking in the heat of the moment is to blame for some of the incorrect information. What many of you don't understand is that broadcasting in general (entertainment or commentating) is like a school yard. Rumors created by incorrect data or someone just misspeaking can become fact. Not nessasarily on purpose. I've been in broadcasting for 20 years and if I had a dime for every time I went to the air with something incorrect I would be a rich man! Now think about how many people got my misinformation and took it as fact. Is that my fault? Yes and no. Sometime guys like Rogan don't have time to fact check when they're live on the air and they trust the people around them when they're handed a list of facts about a fighter. Do you think Rogan is just spewing things off the top of his head? 90% of Rogans facts about fighters come from producers. Do I think theres lies created on purpose? Ummmm, maybe!?!? But I believe it's more mistakes and careless behavior when researching fighters. Or creative wording to hype. I'm not sure Dana and the rest of Zuffa is out to fool us with lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbrahams Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 A lot, they still call Rampage a KO artist :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Every time Dana opens his mouth he contradicts himself. They legitimately had people believing Dan Hardy was a threat to GSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time2die93 Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 hook' date=' line and sinker[/quote'] They never learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Every time Dana opens his mouth he contradicts himself. They legitimately had people believing Dan Hardy was a threat to GSP. Hardy had 7 wins in a row and half were KO's before fighting GSP. At the time he wasn't a bad choice and he was one of the guys next in line for that fight. Why are you guys on Dana's diick so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Hardy had 7 wins in a row and half were KO's before fighting GSP. At the time he wasn't a bad choice and he was one of the guys next in line for that fight. Why are you guys on Dana's diick so much? He was touted as a knock out artist when he was 4-0 in the UFC with 2 split decisions, 1 UD and 1 KO in the UFC, which is all that really matters considering how many times we've seen guys come into the UFC with nicely padded records get torn to shreds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondsout Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 I don' t think they lie, but they exaggerate, boost up atmosphere...and they arrange the fights that still sell, even though people would rather see some others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creepZzZz Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Every time Dana opens his mouth he contradicts himself. They legitimately had people believing Dan Hardy was a threat to GSP. I like Hardy, man, but when I heard Dana say "Dan Hardy's stand-up is perfect" I lol'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengu Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Dana White:"Gabriel Gonzaga is the best heavyweight in the world that nobody knows about" LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leiting Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Dana White:"Gabriel Gonzaga is the best heavyweight in the world that nobody knows about"LMAO I like Gabe. Really I do, and I think he's massively underrated. Considering the momentum he had going into his title fight with Randy, I actually believed he would win. And honestly, other than his loss to Schaub, it's not like he's been embarrassed by some low ranked fighter. He has two losses to Werdum, and one from Randy, Carwin and JDS. No slouches there. He's actually a very very talented fighter, but his chin is horrific - and sadly, that's something you can't train. But from a technical stand point, I believe he is one of the best heavyweights in the world. And, for an audience that loves finishes, he's only been to judge's decision once in his entire career...I will never understand why he doesn't receive more recognition. I for one am very excited to see him face new comer Geronimo dos Santos - I've only seen GDS against Barnett, in which he was completely outclassed, but it's been a long time, and his record would suggest he's improved a great deal since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C_OF_RED Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 When Carwin was fighting lesnar they said he was like 6`5 265 (actual was like 6`2 255) They also said he was 12-0 with 12 KOs (actual was like 7 Kos and 5 subs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD_40 Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 "Dan Hardy's striking...is perfect!" "Nelson is the only man to go the distance with JDS inside the cage" "Josh Koscheck has become a knockout artist" "Shane Carwin is 6'5"" "Randy Couture has never been submitted in mixed martial arts" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 He was touted as a knock out artist when he was 4-0 in the UFC with 2 split decisions' date=' 1 UD and 1 KO in the UFC, which is all that really matters considering how many times we've seen guys come into the UFC with nicely padded records get torn to shreds.[/quote'] Wow...you're probably the only one here that remembers ANYONE calling him a knockout artist. Most fans don't hang on every word of Joe Rogan or Dana White. That was 5 years ago man...wow...f-ing wow! Stop hanging on their words and get off heir diicks bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 "Dan Hardy's striking...is perfect!" "Nelson is the only man to go the distance with JDS inside the cage" "Josh Koscheck has become a knockout artist" "Shane Carwin is 6'5"" "Randy Couture has never been submitted in mixed martial arts" Lol...why would anyone care this much? I'm sure if you crawled up the assss of any commentator or any sport you'll find similar mistakes....relax, it will be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD_40 Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Lol...why would anyone care this much? I'm sure if you crawled up the assss of any commentator or any sport you'll find similar mistakes....relax' date=' it will be ok.[/quote'] does it really seem i care that much?:confused: the thread title was how often does the ufc lie to promote fighters, i listed some examples does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady969 Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 does it really seem i care that much?:confused: the thread title was how often does the ufc lie to promote fighters' date=' i listed some examples does that make sense?[/quote'] You're right, you were just answering te question but I guess this entire thread is ridiculous to me. My bad...I'm just sick of hearing all the crying from UFC fans about Dana and The UFC in general. MMA fans can be the worst sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD_40 Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 You're right' date=' you were just answering te question but I guess this entire thread is ridiculous to me. My bad...I'm just sick of hearing all the crying from UFC fans about Dana and The UFC in general. MMA fans can be the worst sometimes.[/quote'] couldn't agree more with what you are saying here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classicboxer Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 The only lie that bothers me is when they bring back washed up fighters, and pretend they are still in their prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 You're right' date=' you were just answering te question but I guess this entire thread is ridiculous to me. My bad...I'm just sick of hearing all the crying from UFC fans about Dana and The UFC in general. MMA fans can be the worst sometimes.[/quote'] crying about crying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxeMurduh Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Tito is the GOAT at LHW ... Liddell was an overrated can who fought 2 wrestlers and 2 grapplers during his title run and lost when he fought a striker with a similar skillset Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobercuban Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yesterdays_Hero Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Wow...you're probably the only one here that remembers ANYONE calling him a knockout artist. Most fans don't hang on every word of Joe Rogan or Dana White. That was 5 years ago man...wow...f-ing wow! Stop hanging on their words and get off heir diicks bro. 2010 was not 5 years ago.... bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengu Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 I like Gabe. Really I do' date=' and I think he's massively underrated. Considering the momentum he had going into his title fight with Randy, I actually believed he would win. And honestly, other than his loss to Schaub, it's not like he's been embarrassed by some low ranked fighter. He has two losses to Werdum, and one from Randy, Carwin and JDS. No slouches there. He's actually a very very talented fighter, but his chin is horrific - and sadly, that's something you can't train. But from a technical stand point, I believe he is one of the best heavyweights in the world. And, for an audience that loves finishes, he's only been to judge's decision once in his entire career...I will never understand why he doesn't receive more recognition. I for one am very excited to see him face new comer Geronimo dos Santos - I've only seen GDS against Barnett, in which he was completely outclassed, but it's been a long time, and his record would suggest he's improved a great deal since then.[/quote'] Well my question is who has he beaten that's a top ranked guy, I mean apart from crocoping crocop, he doesn't really have anything else. But your right skill set wise he has an well rounded game, heavy jiu jitsu top game, devastating leg kicks and big power;but he has been standing with guys after that crocop KO which has been his main problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daweedy Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Well my question is who has he beaten that's a top ranked guy' date=' I mean apart from crocoping crocop, he doesn't really have anything else. But your right skill set wise he has an well rounded game, heavy jiu jitsu top game, devastating leg kicks and big power;but he has been standing with guys after that crocop KO which has been his main problem.[/quote'] Gabe is a monster. Every fight he has been in he had his opponent hurt, except JDS. He has a problem of having a lame gameplan but he was a beast back in the day and still is. But its funny he had a perfect gameplan for Crocop. He actually softened Crocop with elbows before KOing him with highkick and recently he just wants to stand with people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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